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baadawg
Posted 2011-01-01 7:47 AM (#76419)
Subject: Glowing hot exhaust


Tourer

Posts: 499
Chattanooga, TN

First of all, I gotta say Happy New Yearto everyone on this site. I've been inactive on it for a few months for various reasons. Haven't even ridden my 08 Vision in over a month< which is really rare for me. Anyway, cranked it up this morning for a Polar Bear run, but it looks more like it will be a Wet Dog run instead. The bike cranked fine, however in the dim light of my garage when I turned it off, I notices that the front portion of the front exhaust was glowing red hot around the O2 sensor all the way down to the lower bend under the crank. Since I've had this bike, in March of 2010, I have always smelled a faint burning plastic smell. Now I know where it is coming from. This doesn't seem normal to me, Anyone else have this problem and know the cause of it?

 Wishing you all a healthy, happy and prosperous New Year. Now, let's ride!!

 

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Jedi Jeff
Posted 2011-01-01 10:08 AM (#76423 - in reply to #76419)
Subject: Re: Glowing hot exhaust


Fountain Inn, SC United States
This sounds eerily familiar to what another member was experiencing before his exhaust pipe split. See this ongoing thread:
http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7710
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baadawg
Posted 2011-01-01 12:21 PM (#76428 - in reply to #76419)
Subject: Re: Glowing hot exhaust


Tourer

Posts: 499
Chattanooga, TN
I saw the other post and did a search, but didn't really find anything else that was very relevant besides the one about the split exhaust. a few people have noticed a burnt sort of smell like mine. I may have the same thing going on, but need to know if there is something else wrong causing the exhaust to glow red hot. I'm fairly certain that if I don't do anything, I will have the same problem Cap'n Nemo did. Anybody else have this problem?
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Lotzafun
Posted 2011-01-01 1:24 PM (#76433 - in reply to #76419)
Subject: Re: Glowing hot exhaust


Iron Butt

Posts: 935
Rockford, IL

Glowing exhaust is usually a sign of a motor that is running lean.

You have any mods?

What octane fuel do you usually run?



Edited by Lotzafun 2011-01-01 1:27 PM
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baadawg
Posted 2011-01-01 2:06 PM (#76435 - in reply to #76419)
Subject: Re: Glowing hot exhaust


Tourer

Posts: 499
Chattanooga, TN
No mods except for a K&N style air filter I added, bone stock engine and I use 92-93 octane fuel. Factory exhaust. All the modifications to the bike have been cosmetic or comfort related.
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Lotzafun
Posted 2011-01-01 3:25 PM (#76439 - in reply to #76435)
Subject: Re: Glowing hot exhaust


Iron Butt

Posts: 935
Rockford, IL

Hmm....changing the air filter changes the air flow which changes the needed fuel mixture.

Increase air flow without increasing fuel can cause a lean condition.

However I believe that Kevin X and a few others more "in the know" than me have mentioned that changing just the filter doesn't cause any problems. I think the computer can make slight adjustments to the air-fuel mix to compensate for the air flow increase.

I wonder if there is any chance the filter might not be properly installed/seated? Or if there is an air leak around the plate under the radio console? Or in other words....somehow getting to much air flow and the computer can't adjust enough.

But then again...I don't know much...just enough to occasionally look like I might know.

 



Edited by Lotzafun 2011-01-01 3:26 PM
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johnnyvision
Posted 2011-01-02 1:22 PM (#76485 - in reply to #76419)
Subject: Re: Glowing hot exhaust


Visionary

Posts: 4278
I would pull your heat shields and check for cracks. Even start the bike and feel with your hand with the shields off. If you find nothing pull your spark plug and check its color. If its ALL white you have a problem. Air filter shouldn't cause any problem like that.
If you can't find nothing head to the dealer and if he is far away put it on a trailer. You might even have a valve spring broke or something like that.
Heck do a search for KevinX and write him. Click on his name and it will take you to his personal email.
Let us know what you find out.
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hmd520
Posted 2011-01-03 8:08 AM (#76541 - in reply to #76433)
Subject: Re: Glowing hot exhaust


Cruiser

Posts: 244
Tucson , AZ
Lotzafun - 2011-01-01 1:24 PM

Glowing exhaust is usually a sign of a motor that is running lean.

You have any mods?

What octane fuel do you usually run?




+1
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CycleOps USA
Posted 2011-01-03 9:05 AM (#76549 - in reply to #76419)
Subject: RE: Glowing hot exhaust


Tourer

Posts: 323
N. Miami, Florida

Letting more air in without adjusting the fuel delivery will make it run a little lean and cause what you're mentioning. The closed loop system on these bikes only compensates for very slight changes and prolly not enough to adjust for the open filter. Just a filter alone isn't a big difference, but likely just enough. Swap out the filter back to stock and it should be pretty easy to see if the problem persists. You may even want to change out the plugs at the same time if they're showing signs of running lean.

 

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baadawg
Posted 2011-01-08 9:43 AM (#76861 - in reply to #76419)
Subject: RE: Glowing hot exhaust


Tourer

Posts: 499
Chattanooga, TN

Got her home from the dealer last night. They say everything is normal. The exhaust is running a little rich which is causing the pipes to glow red hot at startup. Polaris told the dealer this was due to the aftermarket air filter letting more air in, the computer senses more air, and so it compensates for it and runs rich. Dealer said due to the thin, single wall exhaust it doesn't take much to heat it up to glowing hot. Anyone else with stock motor, exhaust, mapping et.al. but just a K&N style filter happen to notice this?

 Also, on a separate note, I mentioned a loud noise it makes sometimes. I first thought something had broken when it happened. I also had to check and make sure my kickstand was up before reporting this. It is caused by the unloading of the torque compensator when rapidly decelerating. I noticed this most when the engine was cold, and I was pulling out of the driveway in the morning. I would pull in the clutch, let off the throttle and coast to the stop sign. Upon decelerating the engine by letting off the throttle and disengaging the clutch, this would happen. First time it happened it was really loud and scared the hell outta me. Thought something had broken in two. Anyway, it is normal in case any of you noticed it as well. It's USUALLY not very loud.

 Ride safe...

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BigBrett23601
Posted 2011-09-09 12:16 AM (#96094 - in reply to #76419)
Subject: Re: Glowing hot exhaust


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 11
I too have had the Red Exhaust but I have all stock items on the exhaust. I just had the bike at the shop this past week and asked them about this and they told me it was normal. lol I have never seen a motorcycle exhaust get glowing red right at the motor almost to the mufflers.
I have pulled my plugs and they looked fine. So as to the red hot glowing exhaust it might be that not everyone notices it due to the heat shields and not riding that much at night.
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varyder
Posted 2011-09-09 7:21 AM (#96105 - in reply to #76419)
Subject: Re: Glowing hot exhaust


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
I would agree, I've not noticed mine that much lately, but I've not been on a long hard ride for a while either. But the guess is right, heatshields hide the glow. My rear cyclinder header pipe actually split, and I believe because it got so hot and then backfired, blowing it out.
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pollolittle
Posted 2011-09-09 8:48 AM (#96113 - in reply to #76419)
Subject: Re: Glowing hot exhaust


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
Dude your killing me go back into hiding, oh the travshamockery of it all, I gotta go see the therapist. Your re-emergence has me a little on edge and slightly disoriented. Dr. Dr.......

OH yeah, I haven't noticed a red hot exhaust yet, but I'll look.

Edited by pollolittle 2011-09-09 8:49 AM
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johnnyvision
Posted 2011-09-09 11:00 AM (#96118 - in reply to #76419)
Subject: Re: Glowing hot exhaust


Visionary

Posts: 4278
I wouldn't say your K&N is doing any harm. I'm thinking you have a exhaust leak where its sucking in air and causing the pipe to glow red. Check your flange nuts and see it there tight. Look for a crack in the pipe. Heck its a lot of work but even change a the exhaust gasket get them from Lloydz.
Victory does have cheap metal pipes for sure and keep this in mind the ECM is designed to adjust to altitudes. So if your at pikes peak or down in the keys the bike should run just fine so with a very slight air change like a K&N should not make any difference what so ever. So K&N causing it is all "BS"
Yes I would like to know what Kevinx says.
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willtill
Posted 2011-09-09 12:04 PM (#96126 - in reply to #76419)
Subject: Re: Glowing hot exhaust


Visionary

Posts: 1365
Central Maryland
My other bike is a Rocket 3 Classic. The stock head pipes on that will glow red all of the way to the first clamp on the cat box. This was when I had everything in OEM configuration. It's a combination of thim pipe metal and an A/F mixture that's been leaned for EPA's sake.
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