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Iron Butt
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Richmond, Virginia | Im having a real hard time kicking my Vision into Neutral. The gear is almost absent between
1st and 2nd. Anyone else have this problem Anyone know if it can be addressed?
thanks for any help
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Tourer
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San Antonio, TX United States | Does your clutch feel firm and like it is fully disenaging? You can refer to the manual for exact dimensions for free play and disengagement travel. It may be a matter of bleeding the hydraulic clutch. If i remember correctly your Vision is very new and probably does not even have 2,000 miles on it. You will want to make note of whether it is at all temp ranges or only after the bike gets up to operating temp or only when cold. Have this information ready and have your dealer take a look at it. I seriously doubt the problem is in the shifter or the shift star at this low of mileage, but stranger things have happened. If the dealer can take you in, it should not take the tech but about 30 minutes tops to pull the primary cover and check the shift star. You will need to know answers to the following questions. Do you have trouble finding neutral from second to first? from first to second? only when the engine is running? can you easily find neutral when you shut the engine off? Does it happen no matter what temp the bike is? Wish i could be of more help at this stage. Good luck
Edited by dwhite28 2008-11-10 12:30 AM
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Iron Butt
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Richmond, Virginia | Hey David
Thanks for the info. My bike has about 2500 miles already had its 2000 break in check etc. It is like it slips past it in both directions
1st to second also down from 2 to 1st. Engine temp doesnt seem to affect it, I guess If i had to say when it works better, its when the engine is off, but havnt really paid much attention to it with engine off, but will. Its like it just rolls over it, the light comes on the dash for "N" but I cant get it to stop ON the "N", Im wondering (not an engine specialist) if since my bike had 1000 miles on it as a demo,
could it be worn from previous riders tearing it up? Overall the bike runs like a charm, I have none of the problems that I read on here
that others have. Just shifting into neutral is my ownly gripe. That and I cant figure out how to change the clock back one hour
(im trying to figure it out without having to read the owners manual, just a mental test). I am taking the bike in next Saturday weather permitting to have the remaining chrome pieces installed and the new Ness stereo installed. Maybe they can take a look at
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San Antonio, TX United States | Glad to help. For a short period of time my bike was finicky about going into neutral. There was no real problem so i let it go for awhile. Seems to have sorted itself out. But i did pay attention to it for awhile. Usually not a big deal to correct.
Also, the LCD cluster has to be on the Odometer setting, then you hold the finger switch in till the hour number starts to flash. After it flashes, just wait a moment and it will automatically go over the the 10 min position and then over to the 1 min position. After that, it will be set. |
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VA | I've had this from day one, and even today at over 5K. I found that the easiest time to get it in neutral was when I was trying to shift between 1st and 2nd while riding. The secret is that when you are sitting still, give it just a little bit of gas to get the rpms up, not much just up to about 1K. It pops right in when you do that. It annoyed me to no end, but once I figured that out I rarely miss it. |
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New Bohemia, VA | divesharc - 2008-11-10 1:15 AM
I've had this from day one, and even today at over 5K. I found that the easiest time to get it in neutral was when I was trying to shift between 1st and 2nd while riding. The secret is that when you are sitting still, give it just a little bit of gas to get the rpms up, not much just up to about 1K. It pops right in when you do that. It annoyed me to no end, but once I figured that out I rarely miss it.
Same here Marc. |
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Iron Butt
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Linwood, MI | VaParadox - 2008-11-10 12:47 AM
That and I cant figure out how to change the clock back one hour.
1. Turn key on, put dash mode into Odometer
2. Hold mode switch until time comes up and hours are flashing. Release switch.
3. Tap mode switch to advance hour to correct time.
4. Press and hold mode switch until 10 minute digit flashes, release
5. Tap mode switch to advance to correct time
6. Press and hold mode switch until ones digit flashes, release
7. Tap mode switch to advance to correct time.
8. Press and hold mode switch to save the time and exit settings.
The mode switch referred to here is the one on the left handle bar, not the one for the radio. |
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Iron Butt
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, FL United States | You can actually change the clock to the correct time WHILE RIDING! Ask me how I know LOL |
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San Antonio, TX | When starting off in the company of friends (or if there are HD's around) I always seem to find neutral and not second gear. It happens so regularly that I was thinking that the Harley Davidson key fob adversely effects the Victory gear box.  |
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San Antonio, TX United States | divesharc - 2008-11-10 1:15 AM I've had this from day one, and even today at over 5K. I found that the easiest time to get it in neutral was when I was trying to shift between 1st and 2nd while riding. The secret is that when you are sitting still, give it just a little bit of gas to get the rpms up, not much just up to about 1K. It pops right in when you do that. It annoyed me to no end, but once I figured that out I rarely miss it. I do not know how much off your tach is but your engine should already be idling at 950 to 1050. |
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Woodland Hills, CA | divesharc - 2008-11-09 10:15 PM
I've had this from day one, and even today at over 5K. I found that the easiest time to get it in neutral was when I was trying to shift between 1st and 2nd while riding. The secret is that when you are sitting still, give it just a little bit of gas to get the rpms up, not much just up to about 1K. It pops right in when you do that. It annoyed me to no end, but once I figured that out I rarely miss it.
This is very common with Harley, and I agree that if you just "blip" the throttle while simultaneously shifting into neutral, it should take care of the problem. I wouldn't worry about the RPM, but you don't have to overdo it. Just try it a couple of times until you get the hang of it. It will just slip in when it hits the right spot. I have been doing this for so long (20 years on a Harley), that is just seems second nature to me, and I do it with all bikes, whether or not they require it.
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VA | dwhite, my bike NOW idles at near 1K, however prior to the recall, it used to idle a little lower, so that was how I would judge how far I needed to "blip" it to get it into neutral. I was just trying to show that it took very little throttle to find it. |
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Iron Butt
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Richmond, Virginia | to all, GREAT info and input. I can always count on you guys to help when Victory seems too busy or uninterested to do so.
Thanks guys !! |
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So Cal | Wizard523 - 2008-11-10 10:57 AM
divesharc - 2008-11-09 10:15 PM
I've had this from day one, and even today at over 5K. I found that the easiest time to get it in neutral was when I was trying to shift between 1st and 2nd while riding. The secret is that when you are sitting still, give it just a little bit of gas to get the rpms up, not much just up to about 1K. It pops right in when you do that. It annoyed me to no end, but once I figured that out I rarely miss it.
This is very common with Harley, and I agree that if you just "blip" the throttle while simultaneously shifting into neutral, it should take care of the problem. I wouldn't worry about the RPM, but you don't have to overdo it. Just try it a couple of times until you get the hang of it. It will just slip in when it hits the right spot. I have been doing this for so long (20 years on a Harley), that is just seems second nature to me, and I do it with all bikes, whether or not they require it.
Good luck.
I agree. I was affraid to to it with the Victory because of the stalling, but it never caused a problem. Now with the reflash. I dont worry anymore. |
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Iron Butt
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Reno County, KS | http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1506&pos...
I posted this thread at the end of July. I quit following up on it when I was sure there was something above and beyond riding tips/tricks were going to solve it. It's still no better at over 8000mi on the bike. I took it in and was told that the switch to 20-50w Amsoil Synthetic would do the trick. That had no effect. I think I'm going to have to adjust the clutch myself. No one wants to play I guess. Oh well, I can't hurt it anymore than what shifting without a fully engaged clutch will anyway... |
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San Antonio, TX United States | Bigwill, Since you have access to the manual, have you checked that the hydraulic clutch piston is fully bled? I hate to bring it up since your dealer should have checked the amount of movement on the clutch piston located down on the primary cover. Other than that, there really is no clutch adjustment.
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Iron Butt
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, FL United States | divesharc - 2008-11-10 12:15 AM
The secret is that when you are sitting still, give it just a little bit of gas to get the rpms up, not much just up to about 1K. It pops right in when you do that. It annoyed me to no end, but once I figured that out I rarely miss it.
Tried your advice today. Whoo-hoo! It goes right into Neutral w/ no fuss. |
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Iron Butt
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Reno County, KS | dwhite28 - 2008-11-11 7:40 AM
Bigwill, Since you have access to the manual, have you checked that the hydraulic clutch piston is fully bled? I hate to bring it up since your dealer should have checked the amount of movement on the clutch piston located down on the primary cover. Other than that, there really is no clutch adjustment. I have looked into it. I need some DOT 4 to continue. I may have to basically flush the thing to make sure that there's no air bound in the system. I just found out yesterday that the slave cylinder was not very adjustable. This type clutch is new to me. My last bike may have had one but it never needed tinkered with. I found out what you were talking about with the lack of adjustment for it as well. Just working with what little hydraulic brake experience I have by assuming a flush will be the next course of action. All signs that I can think of are pointing in this direction. The clutch doesn't seem to fully actuate when it's pulled completely to the grip. Is it normal for this tranny to not let the bike freely roll with the clutch fully pulled in? Mine lurches forward on start and is damn near impossible to push when in gear with the clutch fully actuated.
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VA | Coolhandluke, glad I could be of help. Finally, I was able to return the favor, I've gotten a lot of advice here. I really do like this site. I don't check any other site as much, except maybe weather, but that's so I can actually go riding. |
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San Antonio, TX United States | Bigwill,
You should be able to push the bike with the clutch engaged. The bike should never lurch when starting in gear with the clutch in, at most you may feel a minor momentary pull if the oil is cold. My bike, even when the temperature is down to 40 degrees Fahrenheit has no pulling or lurching when starting in gear. Your clutch is not disengaging all the way. The clutch piston is not serviceable. Even us as a dealer only replace, never open and service. You should not necessarily have to flush, just bleed the air out as you would brakes.
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Iron Butt
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Reno County, KS | Thank you again David! I'm going to go ahead and bleed again thoroughly but if that doesn't do it, I'm going to trailer it 360mi(cardinal sin) and let the techs take over. I'm waiting on body parts anyway, so it doesn't really matter where. I've suspected a problem with the clutch since the first shift but it's a new bike ya know. |
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Iron Butt
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Richmond, Virginia | Just read the posts above, my bike also kinda lurches ahead when i first fire it up in the garage when its in first gear. When the bike is off and i unclutch its almost impossible to manually move the bike either direction, so I usually end up having to fire it up even if just to move it a foot or so. |
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Neutral Position Difficulty
