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Spock
Posted 2008-10-16 9:56 PM (#20925)
Subject: First problem in 22,600 miles, any ideas?


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

Does anyone have any thoughts as to what is causing this problem?

When I went to start my Vision this evening to come home from work the lights came on and all seemed to be normal when I turned on the key but when I hit the starter button I could hear a small pop sound like sparks. The lights when dead and the power windshield automatically went all the way up.

I checked all the connections to the battery and they were tight but everything acted like the battery was dead. I got a battery charger from the security guard and connected it to the battery. When I turned the key on everything lit up like it should and the bike started effortlessly. I disconnected the positive charger clap from the battery and the bike was running fine but when I disconnected the negative charger clap from the battery the bike died and all the lights went dead and the windshield automatically goes all the way up.

So I connected only the negative battery charger clap to the negative battery terminal and turned the battery charger on but did not connect the positive charger clap to the battery. I turned the key on and the lights came on like they should but when I hit the starter button there was a pop sound and the security guard said there where sparks that came out somewhere by the battery area. The lights went dead and the windshield automatically went all the way up.

I called my dealer after 6:00 PM after all the techs had left for the day but they said they would pick up the bike first thing in the morning and fix it right away. Have I ever said how much I appreciated Strokers of Dallas my dealer? I am sure it will be a warranty issue but it is puzzling to me what is causing this. Thanks in advance for your ideas.

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varyder
Posted 2008-10-16 10:03 PM (#20927 - in reply to #20925)
Subject: RE: First problem in 22,600 miles, any ideas?


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
One idea is did you check that little tender wire that is hooked to the battery? It could have worn through and is shorting out. Other than that, I have no ideer. Hope you get it fixed soon.
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Spock
Posted 2008-10-16 10:13 PM (#20928 - in reply to #20927)
Subject: RE: First problem in 22,600 miles, any ideas?


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

varyder - 2008-10-16 9:03 PM One idea is did you check that little tender wire that is hooked to the battery? It could have worn through and is shorting out. Other than that, I have no ideer. Hope you get it fixed soon.

That is an excellent idea Varyder. I did wiggle these wires and pulled them up out of the tray area by the battery but I will check them out more closely in the morning. Thanks,

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divesharc
Posted 2008-10-16 10:25 PM (#20933 - in reply to #20925)
Subject: Re: First problem in 22,600 miles, any ideas?


Cruiser

Posts: 297
VA
That sounds exactly like there is a ground problem. Most likely, a shorted wire, or two wires touching and grounding out. The reason that it may have worked while the tender was on was that the tender was acting as the ground, and taking your bad ground out of the loop, as electricity follows the path of least resistance. I think once you, or the dealer, look at it, they are going to find a frayed wire, or a wire that the shield has been stripped off. At least, that's what it sounds like to me. Especially with the sparks and the windshield. I had a Pontiac Bonneville that had a bad ground and every time you turned the car off or on the driver's side window would roll down on it's own and not want to go up. Never traced it down, but took the door apart and unhooked everything and it never did it again. Hopefully the dealer will have someone who is good with electronics and testing continuity. Good luck. Please post what they find in case this happens to someone else, I'd be curious to know and hopefully I can do a little preventitive care to avoid it.
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metalguy
Posted 2008-10-17 1:15 AM (#20938 - in reply to #20925)
Subject: Re: First problem in 22,600 miles, any ideas?


Tourer

Posts: 550
Tacoma, WA
Yes, sounds like a loose terminal. Check 'em all!!!----Metalguy
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cjnoho
Posted 2008-10-17 1:24 AM (#20940 - in reply to #20925)
Subject: Re: First problem in 22,600 miles, any ideas?


Visionary

Posts: 1324
So Cal
Have you had the breaker recall done? If so check all breakers and relays.
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VisionTex
Posted 2008-10-17 9:05 AM (#20961 - in reply to #20940)
Subject: Re: First problem in 22,600 miles, any ideas?


Visionary

Posts: 1484
LaPorte,Tx.
A couple of weeks ago there was a post on corrosion on the terminal. It is a good practice to check the terminals so the wire connections are tight and then apply a film of terminal grease. You can get a little packet of this grease at the auto parts store. Besure to use latex gloves when applying the grease.
Spock, hope it only a loose terminal for your problem and not a wire ground somewhere. It sounds like when you apply the clamp to the negative terminal you achive the continuity. Good luck.
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Spock
Posted 2008-10-17 10:54 AM (#20968 - in reply to #20961)
Subject: Re: First problem in 22,600 miles, any ideas?


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

Thanks for all the ideas team.

Here is an update. The first thing I checked on when I got to the bike this morning was the pigtail connected to the battery terminals to connect a charger too that Varyder suggested might be a source of the problem. I pulled all the wiring for the connector out of the cowling and everything looked fine but I noticed the rubber cap was almost ready to fall off at the end and the metal ground connector was partly exposed. I put the rubber cap all the way on and tucked it back in the cowling.

I turned the key on and all the lights came on as normal so I tried to start the bike and she fired right up. So it seems the problem was the ground port of the pigtail was exposed enough to cause a ground problem when you turned the key on and arced with the cowling when you tried to start the bike.

So after 22,600 miles I thought I finally had an issue with the Vision but I was wrong. My Vision proved to be rock solid again. It also appears the Vision engineers designed the windshield to automatically rise all the way up in the event of an electrical problem so you will have easy access to the fuse boxes.

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rmclarty
Posted 2008-10-17 5:42 PM (#21000 - in reply to #20925)
Subject: Re: First problem in 22,600 miles, any ideas?


Cruiser

Posts: 261
Sugar Land, TX (Outside of Houston)
Thats what I love about this Forum. Spock poses a problem at 8:56pm and Varyder posted the answer at 9:03pm. If you had taken the Vis into a Dealer, it would have been 3 hours labor and several days to get it finished.
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vtwin17
Posted 2008-10-17 8:49 PM (#21010 - in reply to #20925)
Subject: RE: First problem in 22,600 miles, any ideas?


Cruiser

Posts: 64
Northern RI
Had the same problem. Clean the battery cables. Five minutes and your good to go.
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pollolittle
Posted 2008-10-18 12:18 AM (#21020 - in reply to #20925)
Subject: Re: First problem in 22,600 miles, any ideas?


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
Seen the problem once in the shop on the lift, they turned the key on and it sparked in the same area as Spock described. Never could figure it out though and far as I know, it hasn't done it since. Hmmmm!
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space_cwboy
Posted 2008-10-18 11:21 AM (#21037 - in reply to #20925)
Subject: Re: First problem in 22,600 miles, any ideas?


Cruiser

Posts: 235
Evergreen, CO
Hey Po -

Good thing that sheetrock is not flammable!! You might want to check out your "connections".
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pollolittle
Posted 2008-10-18 4:35 PM (#21049 - in reply to #20925)
Subject: Re: First problem in 22,600 miles, any ideas?


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
I will immediately go out and check my "connections" they feel a little loose and I'm not even near my bike.
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varyder
Posted 2008-10-18 6:51 PM (#21054 - in reply to #21049)
Subject: Re: First problem in 22,600 miles, any ideas?


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA

pollolittle - 2008-10-18 4:35 PM I will immediately go out and check my "connections" they feel a little loose and I'm not even near my bike.

Me think it is the connections between the ears you're feeling loose there hickchickpoco.

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Trekwolf164
Posted 2009-10-17 3:31 PM (#46109 - in reply to #20968)
Subject: Re: First problem in 22,600 miles, any ideas?


Iron Butt

Posts: 965
New York State
My stereo went out today and because of this thread I was able to access the fuse box ,

Pulled the radio fuse it was fine when I put it back in the Radio came back on line.

Edited by Trekwolf164 2009-10-17 3:32 PM
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Teach
Posted 2009-10-17 8:26 PM (#46119 - in reply to #20925)
Subject: Re: First problem in 22,600 miles, any ideas?


Visionary

Posts: 1436
The windshield goes up automatically when a breaker/fuse trips. You probably have a short as previously mentioned.
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Travelin Man
Posted 2009-10-17 10:02 PM (#46127 - in reply to #20933)
Subject: Re: First problem in 22,600 miles, any ideas?


Iron Butt

Posts: 721

divesharc - 2008-10-16 9:25 PM That sounds exactly like there is a ground problem. Most likely, a shorted wire, or two wires touching and grounding out. The reason that it may have worked while the tender was on was that the tender was acting as the ground, and taking your bad ground out of the loop, as electricity follows the path of least resistance. I think once you, or the dealer, look at it, they are going to find a frayed wire, or a wire that the shield has been stripped off. At least, that's what it sounds like to me. Especially with the sparks and the windshield. I had a Pontiac Bonneville that had a bad ground and every time you turned the car off or on the driver's side window would roll down on it's own and not want to go up. Never traced it down, but took the door apart and unhooked everything and it never did it again. Hopefully the dealer will have someone who is good with electronics and testing continuity. Good luck. Please post what they find in case this happens to someone else, I'd be curious to know and hopefully I can do a little preventitive care to avoid it.

 

+1!

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kevinx
Posted 2009-10-18 5:29 PM (#46166 - in reply to #46119)
Subject: Re: First problem in 22,600 miles, any ideas?


Visionary

Posts: 1340
Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators
Teach - 2009-10-17 9:26 PM

The windshield goes up automatically when a breaker/fuse trips. You probably have a short as previously mentioned.


Yup, and you can't have a "short" on the ground side since technically that is what a ground is. Only thing you can have is an open, or a power shorted to ground

BTW I'm thinking the breaker is having problems, and will rear it.s ugly head again later

Edited by kevinx 2009-10-18 5:30 PM
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