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amessen
Posted 2014-12-26 9:31 AM (#169207)
Subject: Tires


Cruiser

Posts: 271
Belding Michigan

Ok I almost hesitate to post on this subject but I need some ideas. I despise Dunlop tires they do not wear well for me and never have. I am 6'10" tall but the real problem is I am 400 pounds with nothing on the bike I am close to the GVW for the bike to carry add in jackets cloths and what not I am over all the time. I cannot change who I am so this has been a problem for the 20 years.

Gold Wings and I had the same issue I can not get more than about 8000 miles out of a tire no matter how carefully I attend to it.

That said I want a different tire and I have not yet conviced myself that the darkside is a good idea.

I looked on line and I found a Bridgestone, and Avon and a Shiranko that match the sizes for the Vision I have never run any of them but I will say the Shirinko is a lot lower price. Is it safe if I burn any tire in 8000 miles and I can buy one at half the cost I can change them at 7000 as a throw away and save money.

I know tire and oil thread are the bane of everyone existance but I have no one else to ask I am the most knowledgeable amoung my group here where i live. Arch

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rdbudd
Posted 2014-12-26 10:33 AM (#169208 - in reply to #169207)
Subject: RE: Tires


Visionary

Posts: 1632
Jasper, MO
I've run both the Dunlops and the Bridestones. The Bridgestones handle better than the Dunlops, but don't wear quite as well. I've got Shinko SE890s on now. They handle very much like the Dunlops and seem to be wearing just as good so far. Maybe even better. They start out with way more tread depth than the others. I measured 11/32 when new. Measure a new Dunlop or Bridgestone for comparison. They are about half that.

I've got Shinkos on two of my other bikes. They are good tires, as good or better than the "big names", for a great price.

My Vision weighs 1320 pounds with it loaded for a trip and with the wife and myself on it. The Shinko does fine.

Shinko is a major Asian tire company based in Japan. They've been around a long time. They bought out Yokohoma's motorcycle tire division in South Korea and entered the USA market a few years ago.

Ronnie

Edited by rdbudd 2014-12-26 10:39 AM
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varyder
Posted 2014-12-26 11:24 AM (#169211 - in reply to #169207)
Subject: Re: Tires


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Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
I always ride with 41psi cold in my tires, front and rear. This seems to maximize my wear since I put an excess of 20,000 miles a year on the bike. Front holds out at around 22,000 miles, rear, with the new blend gets around 15,000 - 16,000 easily.

As far as all the other concerns of noise and traction, I have no problems with either. I ride in all types and conditions and have yet to ride where I have a concern of my tires holding up, so there's nothing more than I can say about that.
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johnnyvision
Posted 2014-12-27 5:35 PM (#169225 - in reply to #169207)
Subject: Re: Tires


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Posts: 4278
I have to ask do you check the air once a month. When it gets above 95 degrees do you check the air every two weeks.
You'll loose atlases 3 to 4 pounds of air.
You need a good gauge not one of them cheap ones.



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LA Victory Rider
Posted 2014-12-28 10:40 AM (#169232 - in reply to #169211)
Subject: Re: Tires


Cruiser

Posts: 241
Monrovia, Ca
varyder - 2014-12-26 9:24 AM

I always ride with 41psi cold in my tires, front and rear. This seems to maximize my wear since I put an excess of 20,000 miles a year on the bike. Front holds out at around 22,000 miles, rear, with the new blend gets around 15,000 - 16,000 easily.

As far as all the other concerns of noise and traction, I have no problems with either. I ride in all types and conditions and have yet to ride where I have a concern of my tires holding up, so there's nothing more than I can say about that.


You didn't mention what brand tire you are running.
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varyder
Posted 2014-12-28 1:28 PM (#169236 - in reply to #169207)
Subject: Re: Tires


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Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
E3
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Rollin'
Posted 2014-12-28 3:18 PM (#169237 - in reply to #169207)
Subject: RE: Tires


Iron Butt

Posts: 825
, WI

The Dunlop Winter Sport run flat snow tire has worked well for me. I've been using Winter Sport's for the past 3 years.

 



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amessen
Posted 2015-01-12 9:29 AM (#169405 - in reply to #169207)
Subject: Re: Tires


Cruiser

Posts: 271
Belding Michigan
OK I finally got back to this as life does not slow down much around here. I have checked tire pressure often and I don't see much change in the tire wear no matter how often I check them I am on the low end of tire life overall. I won't run tires after they cup to a certain point even if the tread is still there. assuming the bike is right at 900 lbs. wet and I weigh 400 plus the stuff I carry is another 100 lbs. I am running right about 1400 LBS total. I am strongly considering running the dark side on the back of my bike. I am not a canyon carver I don't do twisties as Michigan does not have a lot of that type of terrain. For the guy who uses the Dunlop winter sport what is the tire size that fits? I will give it a whirl. If I don't like it I am out 50 to 100 dollars and I can go back to a bike tire and if it works then great. Arch
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Nozzledog
Posted 2015-01-13 11:26 AM (#169414 - in reply to #169207)
Subject: Re: Tires


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Posts: 1228
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
If you can still find them for under $100, PM me! The 175/60R16 is the most popular. A185/55 or 195/50 works too, but you may have issues if you have a trailer bracket. The wider size tires also state they are for a 6" rim instead of a 5".
I just switched to the Michelin Commander II. I am using the 180/65B16 size. It is rated at 81H, 111 pounds more than the E3. It is a bias belted tire, not like the bias tires of old. Reviews show it has been getting double the normal tire life. That should be 20-24k miles. My Wintersport got 24k but probably died an early death from the hot roads I ride.
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okie vision
Posted 2015-01-13 12:12 PM (#169415 - in reply to #169207)
Subject: Re: Tires


Iron Butt

Posts: 752
Broken Arrow, OK
The 175 size Dunlop Wintersport 3D ROF is no longer available in the USA. I found a few year before last by calling Mini Cooper dealerships but that source now seems exhausted as well but never hurts to call around your area and ask. As Nozzledog said, those running the trailer hitches, like myself, have rubbing issues with the popular 195/55/16 size car tires. If you don't have a hitch, go for it.

I don't have a review as yet (friggin' winter) but I'm running a new Metzler ME888 Marathon Ultra on the front. Touted as a higher mileage, longer lasting tire. Not to be confused with the Metzler ME880, this is the newer ME888 in our 130/70R/18 size, still rated 63H.
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Nozzledog
Posted 2015-01-13 8:20 PM (#169421 - in reply to #169207)
Subject: Re: Tires


Visionary

Posts: 1228
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Corrections and additions to a few things I said;
The Wintersport in the 195 width is a 55 not a 50 for height (195/55R16).
The NEW Dunlop E3MT has a load rating of 80 (992lbs.), the old E3 was 77 (908lbs.).
The Michelin Commander II is load rated 81 (1019lbs.).
The Shinko 890SE tire in 180/60R16 is load rated 74 (827lbs.).
I looked at the Shinko first, but would not buy it with that load rating. You could probably fit a 180/70R16 in with a load rating of 77 as long as you haven't lowered your bike.
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rdbudd
Posted 2015-01-14 4:14 PM (#169434 - in reply to #169421)
Subject: Re: Tires


Visionary

Posts: 1632
Jasper, MO
Nozzledog - 2015-01-13 8:20 PM

Corrections and additions to a few things I said;
The Wintersport in the 195 width is a 55 not a 50 for height (195/55R16).
The NEW Dunlop E3MT has a load rating of 80 (992lbs.), the old E3 was 77 (908lbs.).
The Michelin Commander II is load rated 81 (1019lbs.).
The Shinko 890SE tire in 180/60R16 is load rated 74 (827lbs.).
I looked at the Shinko first, but would not buy it with that load rating. You could probably fit a 180/70R16 in with a load rating of 77 as long as you haven't lowered your bike.


My original Dunlop E3 had a load rating of 74. My owners manual calls for a rear tire with a load rating of 74.



Ronnie
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iluvink
Posted 2015-01-23 10:19 PM (#169548 - in reply to #169207)
Subject: Re: Tires


Tourer

Posts: 411
Dallas, Texas
I put on the 'Stones about a month ago, front and rear. Absolutely love them. Will have to wait and see on wear. Handling is awesome.
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lennyb
Posted 2015-01-24 10:52 AM (#169563 - in reply to #169207)
Subject: RE: Tires


Iron Butt

Posts: 802
Perry Hall, MD
If you start looking at other darkside options I would suggest avoiding the Hankook Ventura as they have too much side wall flex. I have a few thousand miles on Kumho Ecsta and find it to be much better although the 185 has rubbed my trailer hitch when taking a bump with a heavy load.

Edited by lennyb 2015-01-24 10:55 AM
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icemann
Posted 2015-01-25 10:17 PM (#169576 - in reply to #169207)
Subject: Re: Tires


Cruiser

Posts: 167
, OH
AV71 Cobra av71 front and av72 rear. love them




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johnnyvision
Posted 2015-01-26 6:29 PM (#169583 - in reply to #169207)
Subject: Re: Tires


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Posts: 4278
I hear Avon's stick like glue and wear like cotton candy. My Metzler wore out at 17 thousand and switch to Avon. Hope I'm not sorry
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V92SC
Posted 2015-01-27 7:02 AM (#169596 - in reply to #169207)
Subject: Re: Tires


Tourer

Posts: 324
New Orleans, La,
What the posterabove is spot on about the Avon tyres. If longer wear is what you're after the new 1097lbs load Dunlops seem to be your answer, although I have no personal experience with them. I have gotten excellent mileage running theStones 18-21K and the Shinkos 21-24K , but I'm 210lbs and don't quite have the same requirements that you do. Perhaps one of the other members with similar requirements can chime in with their recommendation. The auto tyre may prove to be your only solution, but be warned the product is not design optimized for that application. IJS.
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amessen
Posted 2015-03-05 9:39 AM (#170086 - in reply to #169207)
Subject: Re: Tires


Cruiser

Posts: 271
Belding Michigan
ok for those that want to go dark side this not a discussion of what is right and wrong that horse is dead and buried but someone on this link was looking for Dunlop winter force run flat tires in a 175/60/R16 I found them local purchase not cheap but then neither is a bike tire. If you contact your local Mini
Cooper dealer they can order them and get them next day according to the guy at my dealer. the price is for me $189.60 tax title and license.

Let the bitching begin
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lstayner
Posted 2015-03-05 10:44 AM (#170088 - in reply to #170086)
Subject: Re: Tires


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Posts: 416
Prairie City, IA United States
If you decide to stick with a motorcycle tire, try the Michelin Commander II tires. I am on my 4th set and have averaged 20K front and rear on the last 3 sets. I have several friends who came back from the darkside and they are very happy with these tires.
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ljurgens
Posted 2015-03-05 4:23 PM (#170089 - in reply to #170088)
Subject: Re: Tires


Tourer

Posts: 341
West Salem, WI United States

lstayner - 2015-03-05 10:44 AM If you decide to stick with a motorcycle tire, try the Michelin Commander II tires. I am on my 4th set and have averaged 20K front and rear on the last 3 sets. I have several friends who came back from the darkside and they are very happy with these tires.

lstayner , are you running the bias or is there a radial version of these?

I saw that Revzilla has 180/65B16 81H http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/michelin-commander-ii-rear-tires

I'm at 6000 miles on my stock dunlops and they are feeling squirrley in the rain and sing like a soprano in the twisties...

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okie vision
Posted 2015-03-05 5:25 PM (#170090 - in reply to #170086)
Subject: Re: Tires


Iron Butt

Posts: 752
Broken Arrow, OK
amessen - 2015-03-05 9:39 AM

ok for those that want to go dark side this not a discussion of what is right and wrong that horse is dead and buried but someone on this link was looking for Dunlop winter force run flat tires in a 175/60/R16 I found them local purchase not cheap but then neither is a bike tire. If you contact your local Mini
Cooper dealer they can order them and get them next day according to the guy at my dealer. the price is for me $189.60 tax title and license.

Let the bitching begin
This is what I did also. My favorite tire of all for the Vision.
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Nozzledog
Posted 2015-03-06 4:14 PM (#170100 - in reply to #170089)
Subject: Re: Tires


Visionary

Posts: 1228
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
The Commander II are a bias belted tire. Not radial, but not like the old bias tires either. Supposedly you can mix them with radials without the problems there used to be. I left the darkside and am now using these. They are a little stiffer than E3s, thus the higher load rating. The 180/65 is slightly taller than 180/60 (18mm taller dia.) but still fit normally. The extra circumference actually corrects the speedo error.Mine is now perfectly in sync with my gps. I only have 2k mi. on mine so far, so I can't testify to the longevity, but the reports are of 20-30% more than an E3. No issues so far.
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Tom13
Posted 2015-03-07 7:39 AM (#170105 - in reply to #169207)
Subject: Re: Tires


Cruiser

Posts: 67
Well now just a note to those looking to purchase a new set of E3's There is a 50 dollar rebate from now into April right now. Cost at my dealer will be around 325 for both front and rear plus install. Going to buy both and just have the rear changed and later this year change the front. You know that damned timing wheel, PC5, top air cleaner, and dyno sure is hard on tires.....LOL Barely squeeked 10,000 out of the rear!!!

Edited by Tom13 2015-03-07 7:41 AM
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Rollin'
Posted 2015-03-07 8:45 AM (#170106 - in reply to #169405)
Subject: Re: Tires


Iron Butt

Posts: 825
, WI

amessen - 2015-01-12 9:29 AM OK I finally got back to this as life does not slow down much around here. I have checked tire pressure often and I don't see much change in the tire wear no matter how often I check them I am on the low end of tire life overall. I won't run tires after they cup to a certain point even if the tread is still there. assuming the bike is right at 900 lbs. wet and I weigh 400 plus the stuff I carry is another 100 lbs. I am running right about 1400 LBS total. I am strongly considering running the dark side on the back of my bike. I am not a canyon carver I don't do twisties as Michigan does not have a lot of that type of terrain. For the guy who uses the Dunlop winter sport what is the tire size that fits? I will give it a whirl. If I don't like it I am out 50 to 100 dollars and I can go back to a bike tire and if it works then great. Arch

I'm using a 195/55R16 Dunlop Winter Sport 3D run flat.

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011 vic
Posted 2015-03-07 9:22 AM (#170107 - in reply to #169207)
Subject: Re: Tires


New user

Posts: 1
East Hartford, CT
New member,have used 011 vision since 3 22 14.Had not ridden in 25 years,what a ride!! All stock,8600 miles,back tire gone.In Ct,driveway all ice can't get bike out.
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