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Central Maryland | For you guys that are using it; are you advancing or retarding it? By how much?
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Mine is advanced by 4 degrees. That's what Lloyd sets them at when he ships them. You can advance them up to 8 degrees I think as long as you don't get any pinging from the engine. If you hear pinging on hard acceleration, back the advance down (retard it) 1 degree and go for a test ride. |
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, IA | ?? Do u replace gasket. Ever time u need it adjust it |
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| timing wheel is great! you'll be at 60mph before you know it. Really smooths the motor out. Yes buy the gasket and NO you don't change it when you change timing. Put gasket on dry. You need a toque wrench and if you don't have one auto store will rent you one for next to nothing. You need a 5mm Tee handle allen a 8mm allen to drop the floor board no you just drop it. Pull oil dip stick and put a rag in hole. Easy 20 min to half hour job sitting on the floor.
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Chattanooga, TN | What's the torque on the nut on the wheel supposed to be? I'd like to tweak mine some! |
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Central Illinois | It should be 13 ft-lb.
For me, I decided to take a conservative approach and reset my wheel to only 3 degrees advance before I installed it. |
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Cruiser
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| Installed mine at +4 running mid grade gas. No pinging. Dropped down to low grade & still no pinging. Going to step it up +1 at a time till it pings then, then start using mid grade gas. |
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| Bolt for wheel (13mm)(I added blue Loctite) = 15 ft. lbs. Oil the hole before installing and a screwdriver lodged between a tooth and a motor bolt holds it for torquing.
Cover screws (5mm) = 6-8 ft. lbs. = 72-96 in. lbs.
Floorboard bolts (8mm) = 35 ft. lbs |
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Central Maryland | Good info guys. Thanks. Will ask Ms. Klaus for this at Christmas. |
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Chattanooga, TN | Presently mine is at +4 and no ping with 89 octane! I've never had the engine run this well without premium in it (before all my mods :-D) Thanks for the 411 John! |
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Denver, Iowa | All engines are different. Do what is right for your engine, not what is right for other's engines.
Mine was pinging under a hard load at 4 degrees, so Rylan backed it off to 2 degrees before dyno runs. It doesn't pull as hard as 4 degrees did, but it's still a better 'set you in the seat' feel that stock. |
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| It seems as though +4 works for those with a stock ECM map, while less advance is better for Stage 1 .
My stage 1 won't tolerate anything over +1 advance.
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Central Maryland | Turk - 2013-12-13 8:29 AM
It seems as though +4 works for those with a stock ECM map, while less advance is better for Stage 1 .
My stage 1 won't tolerate anything over +1 advance.
Hmmm. Interesting. Good to know. I installed S1L2's but never went to the dealer for the Stage 1 map that came with the pipes.
Still running a Lloydz top filter and the Dobeck Fuel controller though.
Will be receiving the timing wheel for Xmas (i hope). Will be interesting to feel the difference in the bike's pull; with it installed. I do plan leaving it at +4 and running premium fuel. |
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Central Illinois | <p>The fuel grade vs. timing is irrelevant. Fuel grade affects detonation, ignition without a spark. Ignition timing affects the potential for ping, ignition that causes peak cylinder pressure before TDC. They are similar enough to cause lots of confusion. A lean run like you have with pipes and intake may well require a high octane condition but don't blame the timing wheel for that.</p>
Edited by Oldman47 2013-12-13 10:21 AM
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Davenport, IA | Well folks, after 4 months of bike sitting through winter here in Iowa, I installed Lloyd's timing wheel last week. Left it set at +4 degrees. Never started the bike all winter. We finally had a 50 degree day today and salt now disappearing. Decided it was time to go for ride and test the new timing wheel. Bike fired up right away to my surprise. My bike had never sat this long without riding. Went on 35 mile ride. Seemed smoother under hard acceleration and pulls hard and very pleased so far. The thing that bothers me is that it's been 4 months since I rode her last so it was more difficult to really feel the difference. It did perform very well though. Spring has sprung and smiles are back on my face! Love my Vision! |
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East Troy, WI United States | Hey kmt27
You are lucky that the weather broke for you to ride. My timing wheel comes Monday 3/17/14. I started the bike the other day when it was around 50, There is way to much salt and sand on the roads in Wisconsin to even think about a ride. Probably another month before we get a good rain to clear roads off. |
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Louisville, KY | People are already riding here in Kentucky not thinking about the damage the salt will do to there rides. Like you I wait for the salt to be washed off the road before I pull my bike out. |
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Central Illinois | An update for me. My 3 degrees of advance is not ideal for regular fuel. After a few refills at 89 octane I noticed my fuel mileage dropping off. When I resumed using 91+ octane my mileage suddenly recovered. I can only assume that I was getting a ping that I could not hear. I will continue to use the higher octane fuel. |
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| Oldman
when it warms up I'm thinking you can go up to +4 with no problem. Riding all ready good for you |
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