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New Bohemia, VA | po, I needs to come to Tennersee and larn wat to du in der box. I'm a highwayman but can hold my own in the parking lot, beyond that, I can't do the tricks like scrapping floorboards in a full circle turn, but I can make 'em sing on an off/on ramp. |
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Brighton, TN | for all you naysayers about a big bike doing tight turns, check this out. I aspire to be him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99KKx7cB-Ok&feature=related |
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San Antonio, TX | Pollolittle,
That video is my goal! That the best riding I have ever watched!
RIde.....like the officer in the video!!! |
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Woodland Hills, CA | radioteacher - 2010-09-28 2:02 PM
Pollolittle,
That video is my goal! That the best riding I have ever watched!
RIde.....like the officer in the video!!!
DITTO!!! |
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Iron Butt
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Northeast Ohio | Get the video from RideLikeAPro.com and practice, practice, practice... |
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| I will be real happy to ride like an amateur as a step up from riding like a novice on my first big tour bike  |
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Woodland Hills, CA | ScoreBo - 2010-09-28 3:40 PM
Get the video from RideLikeAPro.com and practice, practice, practice...
Better yet, take the course! You'll appreciate it even more once you have actually tried it. Then as the man said, practice, practice, practice!! |
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New Bohemia, VA | ...these guys are having too much fun. If I hadn't joined the Army I probably would have been one of these blue and grays...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQZdTJSVbIw |
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Atlanta Area | And here's a vid for those who think the Vision can't do tight turns....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQRq0xgrP1g |
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San Antonio, TX | I watched someone do the same scraping at a demo in San Antonio. No curb jump or burnout but they did the turns! |
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Extreme Southern, AZ United States | That's what I was talking about practicing in an empty parking lot. the bike will lean forever and not lose stiction. I am not as good as the guy in the video, but I can scrape both boards without issue. |
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| 1atom12 - 2010-09-28 9:37 PM And here's a vid for those who think the Vision can't do tight turns.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQRq0xgrP1g If you take a close look at the 34-35 second range into this video ........he comes realllllly close to high siding the bike..........and himself.
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New Bohemia, VA | remember, with every scrape the angle of your bike will change on the next scrape, but that just makes it cooler, right? |
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Akron Ohio area | The Vision rider in this video did NOT impress me with his antics.
He was out of control several times and anyone who beats up their tires and rims hopping a curb like that is an idiot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQRq0xgrP1g
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Brighton, TN | team222 - for all of his showing off skills, had he not over corrected he would have been able to stand it back up without a lot of drama. You can see the tail giving way and then he panicked. almost made me laugh, I forgot he did that.
And then I notice that his rear tip overs are quite worn down. It looks like he's been showing this trick to sell the bikes.
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New Bohemia, VA | ...that near highside action is what made me stop trying to scrap boards all the time. I would get myself into the a hard turn and say "cool" I finally scrapped a floorboard and I would do a few times a week or so there for a while. One day I hit a slab of concrete on an exit ramp that was up about an inch and I didn't like the shake it did when it made the rear tire jump a little.
Back in the day when I was riding my little CB750 Custom I was making a hard left and the centerstand nub caused the rear tire to come off the road and I went over the bars. Made me a wussy, but I still love to ride.... |
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North Orange County CA | Dear Diary:
Today I stopped at the Victory shop and looked at the Vision. It looks like a freaking spaceship! Man thats one cool bike, I want one pretty bad.
The salesman offered me a smoking deal on their demo! Its Black too, just like I wanted, and it only has a couple of hundred miles on the clock!
Is somebody watching out for me or what?!!!
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| Google any expensive 1938 car........coupe...... and you will find what looks alot like the Vision side case area and other styling cues. Check the link below........ http://www.bid123sold.com/Portals/0/Buick/1938%20Buick%20Special%20Convertible%206394.JPG I know I am the only one in the world thinks it has retro style cues also.....but had to say it Mike
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New Bohemia, VA | ...one of the very first review points this out, art deco is the term used. I even felt that was the styling when I first saw it before I read any article I would try to decribe relative to concept drawings in the 50 and 60's of futuristic vehicles. I was always partial to the bentley though...
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Virginia Beach, Virginia | To 222, I am going to say what no one else would: it is not your fault. No one asked you the combined weight of you and your pillion when riding 2 up. If it is over 350 pounds, and I am being generous, then the riding characteristics are going to be radically different. While we were all quick to offer riding tips, the truth is that the slow handing characteristics of the vision when riding 2 up are bad. I believe it is an inherent problem with the frame geometry when put under the strain of additional weight without the compensation of additional torque. I believe this is why the fix of front loading the torque works, though it should not be required. I have ridden 3 different BMW touring models, as well as 2 different Honda touring models, and while this problem was present on the Valkyrie interstate and the BMW lt, it is much more pronounced on the vision. This is due, I believe, to the larger front wheel on the vision that requires a lower speed to establish the gyroscopic effect (I believe- I got a b in physics but this was not an area I stayed awake for! The gyro effect would keep the bike upright, and cause you to have a wider turning radius) and I think that the inverted forks also play into the problem, as well as the design of the frame itself. I am not an engineer, but would be delighted if one would step forward and offer up an opinion. I love my vision, but she is positively unruly in the parking lot and at intersections when 2 up. Weight is a huge part of the dynamic, and I am frankly surprised that no one asked. My wife and I max out the gvwr of our bike, and you better believe she is completely different when I am solo. But to require that you re-learn how to ride for the situation is a design defect, not a quirk. Anyone with a quarter million miles under his belt should have a max learning curve of a thousand miles on ANY bike, one up or two. If your bike requires more retraining than that, the problem is with the bike, not the rider. Please keep in mind this is for normal riding situations, not extraordinary.
Once again, I love you all, especially my VA brethren, but this time, I think we have to look at the design a little more closely, for that specific application.
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New Bohemia, VA | ...when the Vision is different than any other bike on the planet, I would expect riders with less riding time to adjust to it faster. I don't know about all that geometry stuff, and I got an A in it and I know that it applies in principle, it is not a prerequisite to have a degree in it to ride. I'll maintain the "learning" factor and most do it without thinking, but the ones who seem to have the greatest issues presented here on the forum is the "I've been riding for 40 years and have a zillion miles to my name."
Cargo will always be a factor, and the wife and I are cargo, probably above the GWR together. I'm a weinie and a newbie in motorcycle riding, and find the same confidence in the Vision riding two up in and around around town as I do solo. I get hit on the head a lot by her when I ride like I am solo and she's with me.
The man from the swamp rest from this discussion.
[peace and comfort to Tony Curtis's family, he just passed away - another great American icon] |
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Virginia Beach, Virginia | Rider to ryder- I was looking at the issue from a product liability standpoint and suitability for use- yes, I know it is legal wonk stuff, but it is also the way that the manufacturer looks at it, as well as DOT. No bike is perfect, and I regard the Victory Vision as better in more areas than most full size tourers. I stop when it comes to professing superiority in performance over other established segment leaders, namely the goldwing and the k1200lt. In terms of choosing form over function, the Vision comes out on top. But for function over form, the LT is still the more polished and safer bike. And not in production- yes, I know. The reason why the LT handles so well at low and high speed maneuvering is all about the frame geometry and front and rear suspensions, the paralever and duolever, which dynamically handles the weight distribution better than any other current setup. With that said, I will officially try out my Vision on the BRP this weekend and then I can comment more on twisty response, rather than using my book knowledge, which is highly suspect to begin with. Have I mentioned how much "naches" I have for all of you that take time out to help others on this forum? I'm talking about you, teacher and ryder and paradox and sgiachi and tarpitts and.....you get the point.
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Virginia Beach, Virginia | How jackasses mate...er, sell each other bikes...in the wild. You can do the same crap on just about any powerful bike, especially when it has training wh...I mean, wings! But it was still sorta cool, I guess. There's one demo I won't be buying! |
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New Bohemia, VA | ...well, again, experience can and does play an important role. But then there is the old adage of those who can't - teach. But having only owned a total of 3 bikes in my life with a combined mileage of about 170,000 miles in 8 cumulative years, I don't have much experience. But I do like to crack a nut on things I don't understand, and listening to a ton of so called experience that often gets spew about, I often miss the point because it doesn't do that with me. My bike just before the Vision was the GL1200 and the similarities in riding ends with the fact they both had Dunlop E3's on them, even they were different, the Wing had bias tires. One of the reason's I flood this forum is to get the flood of information in return for not only myself, but others who are trying to sort through the piles of myth and facts. From my perspective it has served me very well though it became an extreme irratant to others, but that is how pearls are made.
I would have loved to have ridden the sundry of other bikes people talk about just to say "yeah" I rode that. I rode a Harley once, and though it was a cool ride and it sufficed for the purpose, I wasn't itchin' to go buy one. In fact the balkiness of it made me feel I wasn't grown up enough to ride. That is something I have never felt with the Vision, inspite of its mass, to me it is far more agile than GL1200 or the Harley I rode. True, in mastery I could have become acclimated to the feel, but with the Wing, I had to learn to second guess what it would do. It often wanted to go places I didn't want it to go and came close to losing it a few times. Within seconds I felt the Vision and I have been buddies for a life-time, and if you dare or care you can hunt up posts from back in November 07 on where I have yet to change my stance that this is a one of a kind machine, and others who have rolled many miles will say the same.
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Virginia Beach, Virginia | I probably agree with you on most of this, and if I hear you tell one more person that you are a noob with only 170k miles under yourbelt, I think I will hurl. I believe, in thiss day and age, that every bike in the victory line should come standard with ABS. When is the last time you saw a car offered without abs? And why reverse is still optional and not standard on the vision is a mystery. Anyway, have a great weekend, and get out there-should be in the high 60's for us-nice fall riding weather! |
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