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Puddle Jumper
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Salt lake city Ut. | All Polaris oils including Victory are made by a company called Lube Tech. This is the very same company that makes Mobile1 synthetic (Qoute Kevin X)
I only wanted to have a dialog to know where you had the info that lube tech mixed blended or in some way had a connection to mobil 1 synthetic oil period. I have been buying selling and speaking with the lube tech people for 19 years Yea I am a Victory dealer employee just like you. Polaris for 19 years and Victory for 10 Some times I see People (customers owners of the product) being given bad info or someone gives an opinion that slants the truth it bugs me. I think you know what I mean? Anyway mobil 1 is not anything other than a line that lube tech sales just like any other distributer or retailer in the business. No hard feelings I am not trying to be a !@#$ as you said just want us all on the same page. Ride on man peace! |
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Puddle Jumper
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Salt lake city Ut. | oh I dont talk without thinking or guess this is what I do when not at the dealer ship or riding my bikes
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Cruiser
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Memphis,Tn. | Side Car, nice dragster!! Fill us in on engine displacement, transmission, rear end gear, and best ET and speed.
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Puddle Jumper
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Salt lake city Ut. | Car is owned by my brother, I tune the chassis, motor, NOS system.
2008 spitzer carbon fiber comp chassis
632 cu inch all aluminum chev big block by sonnys
2 speed glide hughes pro mod case and internals 167 gear
Strange rear end 430 gear
2 stages of nos our design speed tech parts 250 1st 300 second
Best e.t 6.60
best speed 206 mph
best 60 ft .994
best 1/8 mile 4.23
I a great time to get away with my brother an nephew and compete
anyway this is a bike site I just wanted Kevin to know that we are both motorheads and no hard feelings.
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Cruiser
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on the edge of Los Angeles | More gearheads here I think cause we know what we want and we wanted a Vision...
Div7 top sportsman Champion.
500 CI DRCE 1120 HP 2400 pounds and 7.50 ETs.
Now I bring my bike to the races too... |
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Visionary
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Side Car - 2009-09-01 9:13 AM
anyway this is a bike site I just wanted Kevin to know that we are both motorheads and no hard feelings.
If you are gonna be gracious then I guess that leaves me to apologise....dammit
In the future though shoot me a PM instead of assuming I am ignoring something intentionally. I am a busy boy. |
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Salt lake city Ut. | Cool hopefully we could hook up at the Vegas divisional in Nov.  |
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Cruiser
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Memphis,Tn. | Looks like I'm going to use the Victory 20w-40 motor oil and oil filters. The Victory brand oil did well in the Amsoil tests and the Victory oil filter was of a higher quality than the Fram or Mobil 1 filters I cut open.
Also, no clutch or warranty issues to contend with and I'll be buying from and supporting my local Victory dealer. |
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Tourer
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Grand Cane, LA | Has anyone here tried Lucas Motorcycle Oil? It's a full synthetic in 20w50 and designed specifically for bikes. As far as those of you that use Rotella 5w40 syn try going back to a 20w50 and see if you notice a difference. I just did and it is a night and day difference. Bike runs quieter and shifts a whole lot better. I think the 5w is way too thin for our bikes. I use to run the Rotella in my Meanstreak and didn't really pay attention to the difference, but with my Vision it made a lot of difference. After the first minute or two, the bike kept getting quieter and quieter and the shifting became a lot less clunkier. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | the only time I have ran a 50w oil was in my old 65 olds cutlass that smoked like the dickens. that kept it from smoking but it was very hard to start in the winter being a straight 50 weight. It is not likely that I would go with a 20w50 though I know it would run quieter because of the thicker oil. I'm not an expert, and go by observations. 20w40 should be more than adequate, but of course this is just MHO.
TopFuel, I applaud you, make a decision and stick with it whatever you are fine with. After switching back and forth between the Vic and full synthetic, I find that with the Vic the bike sounds ratty after about 1,800 miles, but I carry it out through the to 2,500 mark. It's amazing I could not even log the miles and I know when to change the oil using Vic. The full syn runs out about 2,500 to 3,000 before it gets the ratty sound and then it is of a milder tone.
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LaPorte,Tx. | atvtinker - 2009-09-04 3:12 AM
Has anyone here tried Lucas Motorcycle Oil? It's a full synthetic in 20w50 and designed specifically for bikes. As far as those of you that use Rotella 5w40 syn try going back to a 20w50 and see if you notice a difference. I just did and it is a night and day difference. Bike runs quieter and shifts a whole lot better. I think the 5w is way too thin for our bikes. I use to run the Rotella in my Meanstreak and didn't really pay attention to the difference, but with my Vision it made a lot of difference. After the first minute or two, the bike kept getting quieter and quieter and the shifting became a lot less clunkier.
I have been looking for Lucas motorcycle oil. I think I'll try it if I find it locally. As for the 5w40 oil, that is a pretty low viscocity on the base oil and a lot of polymers added to get the 40 viscocity. With the shear due to gears in our motorcycles it has a tendency to distroy the polymer string with time, so the top viscocity moves closer to the base oil with time, in this case 5w. I always try to stay with the base oil the manufacturer recommends, for the Vision, that is 20w. The base oil is measured cold 40 degree C where the higher viscocity is measured at 100 degrees C. Yes, I would say the 5w is too low for the Vision. |
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Santa Maria CA | All I use is the lucas bike oil in my bikes and lucas syn in my car and truck. The oil is great, never had any problem.. In my vett it lowerd oil temp by 20 deg over mobil 1. we also use it in the super latemodel stock car ( on Dirt ) |
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New Bohemia, VA | docvtx - 2009-09-04 1:00 PM
All I use is the lucas bike oil in my bikes and lucas syn in my car and truck. The oil is great, never had any problem.. In my vett it lowerd oil temp by 20 deg over mobil 1. we also use it in the super latemodel stock car ( on Dirt )
thanks. i asked about lucas products in another thread back in july but never got any response. I've thought about lucas as it has been around for a long time as well. any good perks using it in the Victory motor? quietier, cooler...etc??? |
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Arkansas | atvtinker said: I think the 5w is way too thin for our bikes. I use to run the Rotella in my Meanstreak and didn't really pay attention to the difference, but with my Vision it made a lot of difference.
FYI: At above 80-85 degF, 5w40 is just 40 wgt; so it's no thinner than Victory. However, I don't mean to imply that your observations on
shifting smoothness are not valid. Just that the difference is likely due to more technical factors in the recipe blend; i.e. Zinc, etc. |
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Tourer
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Grand Cane, LA | I tried the Rotella 5w40 on the last oil change and it wasn't long before I noticed "little things" popping up such more valve train noise and clunkier shifting. Changed the oil to the Lucas after about 300 miles because it was getting me worried. That's when I noticed the biggest improvements so the Lucas oil must be some good stuff. I can get it locally for about $8 a quart. I've never seen such a clear looking oil for 20w50. They must use some really clean base stock or their additives don't change the color much. |
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Arkansas | atv, where do you find the Lucas? I think I'd like to try it. I'm just 1 state north of ya. |
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Santa Maria CA | hey varyder how is it going? the lucas oil shift better,quiter and runs cooler. i've run lucas in my vision since 8,000 mile...........now I about 40,000. it also works well in my VTX1800 and the wifes GL1800, they also runner quiter and shift easier. |
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Tourer
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Grand Cane, LA | Hey Jama, found Lucas oil at the local O'Reilly store here in Mansfield. I was surprised to find the motorcyle oil but I knew they had the automotive stuff and additives. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | docvtx - 2009-09-05 12:28 AM
hey varyder how is it going? the lucas oil shift better,quiter and runs cooler. i've run lucas in my vision since 8,000 mile...........now I about 40,000. it also works well in my VTX1800 and the wifes GL1800, they also runner quiter and shift easier.
thanks doc. like I mentioned I've seen this stuff running around for ages especially growing up around excavating with my dad. I don't believe he ever used though, just remembered seeing it at various places when he'd pick up stuff. Saw it a lot in Wisconsin, but never heard any talk about how good or bad it was.
I might look into it a little more, but the problem I have is I do like AMSOIL and I've got a good friend that sells that "snake oil" as I call, so he'll have his opinion on lucas. |
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Visionary
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LaPorte,Tx. | docvtx - 2009-09-04 10:28 PM
hey varyder how is it going? the lucas oil shift better,quiter and runs cooler. i've run lucas in my vision since 8,000 mile...........now I about 40,000. it also works well in my VTX1800 and the wifes GL1800, they also runner quiter and shift easier.
docvtx, thanks for this info. My grandson races Class A Modifieds in the K/C area and gets sponsorship money from Lucus oil, so I'm thinking of switching from Amsoil to Lucus. How often do you change the oil on your Vision? |
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Memphis | Here's a pretty comprehensive paper sponsored by Amsoil if you have the time (25 pages long). Doesn't come across like propaganda but what do I know. http://www.performanceoiltechnology.com/mc_oils_white_paper_g2156.pdf Just noticed that this was posted by radioteacher back on page one....Sorry.
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Cruiser
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Memphis,Tn. | Update: Well I picked up a 6 pack of Victory motor oil last week. Took a look at the bottle labels this evening and noticed there are no API certification donuts. (Uh-Oh.) Looks like I'll need a lot of faith in the blender's ability to select quality base oils and the ensuing additive package. The MSDS lists severely hydrotreated paraffinic base oils and synthetic base materials. Probably group III and group IV. The blender's (Lube Tech) website mentions that they are ISO9001/2000 certified. Bottom line, Victory is obviously willing to warranty their engines using this 20w-40 blend, so I'm also willing to do likewise.
Gearheads. Here is some interesting reading by Dr. A. E. Haas concerning motor oils. Dr. Haas uses his personal Ferrari's and other vehicles to verify his lubrication hypotheses. He is the (unofficial) lubricants expert in the Ferrari community forums. There are no internal combustion engine owner$ I know of as anal about car care as Ferrari owner$. Enjoy.
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/faq.php?faq=haas_articles
(Hey Songfan next time you're at FRS have a look at their disassembled oil filters.)
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Memphis | Hey TopFuel, Already got the show and tell on the filters at FRS. That Fram is scary. Nice to know the Victory unit seems to be as good as they come. Also heard about the Ferrari pics on your cellphone and the meticulous records you had with the two bikes you traded in. You're obviously out of my league but I look forward to hooking up soon. |
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Tourer
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East TN | Here's a FOLLOW UP to chanign to the Mobil1 1-W-40 4T Racing oil....I have run about 300 miles with the Mobil 1 oil...The gears "seem" to shift a little smoother with less CLUNK!!! Also the engine "seems" to be running cooler also...I don't get the heat clicks (engine cooling sounds of clicking) after I stop from riding around....These are just seat of the pants observations but I think the Mobil 1 stuff is workign BETTER than the Vic oil does....I'll keep you posted... |
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New Bohemia, VA | SongFan - 2009-09-08 7:41 AM
That Fram is scary.
What about Fram??? |
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