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Recall Map Response Poll
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Installed with noticible improved changesTimS49 Votes - [52.69%]
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Don't Knowdonetracey1 Votes - [1.08%]
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dwhite28
Posted 2008-10-09 9:32 PM (#20300 - in reply to #20281)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Tourer

Posts: 404
San Antonio, TX United States

ness_Fan

We are just looking for information if it bothers you that bad then please do not respond. I have had my Victory a couple of weeks, prior to that I owned numerous H-D's so I am not familiar with the Polaris product line. BTW I do know how to read. Robert

You can take my comment just as personal as you want, thats up to you.  I just happen to vent my general frustraion as a whole just as many other members on this forum do.  I try to do it in a more amical fashion and not at any one person in particular. I barely respond to most post's cause i do know and understand fully that people need information.  If i have the information i try to share it in a clear and concise manner and welcome questions pertaining to it.  This particular thread and a few others that concern the very same thing just seems to keep going and going with the same quesitons and the same answers cuase no one is searching the threads.  I have taken time on different occasions to explain in detail what takes place and the reason why the reflash is required.  I have posted the actually document with detailed information in the tech section of the forum and have also left links in the General Discussion forum to the safetly recall bulletin.  Whether you are familiar with Polaris or not, it makes no difference what brand motorcycle we are talking about.  A computer controlled, fuel injected combustion engine is still based on a program that is flashed into an EPROM or some other type of memory.  If the map has a glitch due to certain inputs conflicting with a certain RPM range when they coincide with each other, it will require an alteration. 

Just to clarify, my comment about people reading is directed more toward people taking a moment and checking the Tech Reference forum and also searching the General Discussion forum, there are two other threads beside this one dealing with the very same thing that was asked within the first two days of the actually release of the Technical Bulletin from Polaris.  I belive i was actually the first person to start the thread upon the Official release of the Safety Recall from Polaris versus the same recall that for some reason was relased almost 2 to 3 weeks prior to any dealer knowing anything about it or Polaris even letting someone know something about the recall.

Harumph and so there.  I am taking a short break and going to get a Dr. Pepper, might even add a little somethig to it since it is late.

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mkultra
Posted 2008-10-10 2:43 PM (#20337 - in reply to #19697)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Tourer

Posts: 374
Tucson, AZ
Hey Thanks 1Atom12...yep that clears it up for me...used to the Harleys way of doing things...well not really, i bought my own equipment and did it myself so...but yep that helps........................

mike v
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ness_fan
Posted 2008-10-10 6:06 PM (#20348 - in reply to #20300)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Cruiser

Posts: 64
US
dwhite28 - 2008-10-09 9:32 PM

You can take my comment just as personal as you want, thats up to you.  I just happen to vent my general frustraion as a whole.

Nothing personal but I get frustrated by people who are not smart enough to use spell and grammar check before making a post. Enjoy your drink.
Robert
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jama
Posted 2008-10-10 6:24 PM (#20350 - in reply to #19697)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Cruiser

Posts: 293
Arkansas
Amen! They used to have grammer check and spell check in school; we called them teachers. But I have to say I've run into a lot of people smarter and more successful than I, who can't spell their way out of paper bag.
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cjnoho
Posted 2008-10-11 5:14 PM (#20429 - in reply to #19697)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Visionary

Posts: 1324
So Cal
dwhite28, you have been very helpful with your posts. Considering Victory's reluctance to share. They have helped me understand the inner workings of Victory's way of doing things. Thanks
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varyder
Posted 2008-10-11 5:25 PM (#20431 - in reply to #20429)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA

Dwhite, we Va fellers have an excues to spel the way we do, so don't take no flack from no jack.

But anyway, interesting note. I had the recall done, flashed by the dealer, ran a little better, but still coughed and cut out a few times. Changed the plugs which provided a monumnetal difference, but still did the cough and cut off every now and again. After reading the post on the exhaust gaskets, I thought to me self, "Why didn't I think of that." So I go out and check and see. Guess what? Loose. At least a good quarter turn on each one. I rode it and guess what? Runs much, much, much, much better. No surprises, except once. I got home and put another 1/8 of a turn on them. Now I think to myself, "Why didn't my dealer or Victory think about that?" I would be willing to say that they have been like that since I had the Vision and I could have solved a lot of problems months ago. Now the nagging question is, do I have burnt valves or at least edged. With the looks of the one plug on the front, I wonder. Now I have no reason to think there is except knowing the pop and die was from leaking exhaust gaskets. It runs new so I shouldn't complain, but just digging for the experts out there, Dwhite, that can provide some insight.

I'm not trying to bust out on the dealer or Victory, but I wonder how much of the popping and stuff that triggered the recall is just really exhaust leak???



Edited by varyder 2008-10-11 5:45 PM
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ness_fan
Posted 2008-10-11 5:42 PM (#20439 - in reply to #19697)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Cruiser

Posts: 64
US
I think I owe Mr. White an apology, this being my first Victory I went to this forum looking for answers I appreciate all the info that has been provided. With that said I will check the exhaust and see if it is loose. Please be tolerant of people who are just looking for info.
Thanks
Robert
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cjnoho
Posted 2008-10-11 5:45 PM (#20442 - in reply to #20439)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Visionary

Posts: 1324
So Cal
ness_fan - 2008-10-11 2:42 PM

I think I owe Mr. White an apology, this being my first Victory I went to this forum looking for answers I appreciate all the info that has been provided. With that said I will check the exhaust and see if it is loose. Please be tolerant of people who are just looking for info.
Thanks
Robert


Thats what this site is for. Speak your mind.
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cjnoho
Posted 2008-10-11 5:47 PM (#20443 - in reply to #19697)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Visionary

Posts: 1324
So Cal
Agree or disagree, we can still get along and have some fun.
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varyder
Posted 2008-10-11 5:48 PM (#20445 - in reply to #20439)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA

ness_fan, the apology is between you and Mr. White, but I'm sure he's not too upset about it. I'm the one that gets upset so you have be careful around me. We're all here to have a little fun along the way, just be careful you don't do any <brand removed> bashing, then the forum police are on short recall.

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airguy
Posted 2008-10-11 11:00 PM (#20482 - in reply to #20295)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Cruiser

Posts: 175
Hinton, Iowa
I my bike back today. Runs better, smoother and no more popping.And best of all no popping. I am faling in love with my Vision all over again.

Ride safe, Mike
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dwhite28
Posted 2008-10-11 11:39 PM (#20483 - in reply to #19697)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Tourer

Posts: 404
San Antonio, TX United States

I have to say thank you to ness_fan for correcting my spelling and grammar error.  I usually do proof my posts in MS Word prior to posting and try to read it once or twice prior to submittal.  I too become frustrated when trying to decipher what somebody’s thoughts are when the punctuation and spelling are hit and miss.

No apology is required.  We all have days where an errant thought or comment hits us in the wrong manner.  My post from October 9 where I got a little testy towards the end of my post is a prime example.

I am on this forum because I enjoy helping and providing assistance when I can.  I also learn from other peoples experience so I can be a better technician and assist other riders I meet in my travels or the ones that bring their rides to me to take care of.

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ness_fan
Posted 2008-10-12 1:12 AM (#20492 - in reply to #19697)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Cruiser

Posts: 64
US
Thanks David, I really wish I could get a straight answer from the local Victory dealer here in Jacksonville Florida where I live about my bike stalling, because it is an 09 there is no recall for stalling but if I rode up to 10 stop signs at least 5 of them the bike will stall on two different occasions I have almost dropped it because my feet were up already. I have 350 miles and the dealer says no recall so no problem. I checked the exhaust bolts and one of the front bolts was a little loose but this is scaring me now the engine seems to be running very hot and the acceleration seems very lazy my H-D 06 softail FI was a stock 88 with screamin eagles a power commander and ness big sucker and it was way more responsive, based on what I read here the 106's should really run. I finally got out of the dealer today to bring it in but if it was "something else" causing the problem I would be responsible for the bill, my bike is completely stock because there was no stage 1 download when I purchased it so I decided not to buy the kit.
Sorry for being long winded and I appreciate everyones help and advice
Robert

2009 Midnight cherry street premium
All stock for now
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varyder
Posted 2008-10-12 6:13 AM (#20496 - in reply to #20492)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
ness_fan - try replacing your plugs and ask your dealer to do a stock reflash if there is no recall. You're dealing with a computer and it can be done at anytime they'll do it for you. Looking back at my problems with stalling and such, I just wonder if it was doing things out of sequence. When I got the bike the plugs may have already been fouled with 10 miles on it. My dealer rode it several times and sweared that it never did what I said it was doing. I could believe them because it didn't do it everytime. When I did the 5k service, the bike ran better, not as much stall, in fact it didn't stall for a while, but it did pop a lot. The tech had cleaned the plugs, so I attributed to them being fouled. I put several more miles on the bike before the recall, and when I took it in, that's all they did. It seems to me they would have checked out my plugs as well as for an exhaust leak, but didn't. They didn't have the stock NGK plugs so I went to the local Pep Boys and got the champion copper plus RA8HC cross-match and put them in. Ran, great, like a scoulded dog, except with the pop and cut off occassionally. Of course you can see my frustration, but fast forward a day or do when I saw it mentioned about the exhaust leak, viola! Problem seems to be cured. So my point is, do all at the same time, recheck the exhaust, of course be careful as you don't want to be down for a stud broke. But don't simply tighten them, replace them. That is my next move to ensure many more happy (s)miles. Oh and when I didn't think it could run better, it seems to run like a scoulded dog off the line, no more reving up to get 'er to go and making sure it didn't leave me at the light. Also, no more cranking cranking to get it started, it seems to start now at the touch of the button.

Edited by varyder 2008-10-12 6:15 AM
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ness_fan
Posted 2008-10-12 6:39 AM (#20497 - in reply to #19697)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Cruiser

Posts: 64
US
did you use new exhaust gaskets? I see lloydz has some different thicker ones, I will clean the plugs today and then take it in tuesday and ask for a stock reflash and have them do the 500 mile service, prices for the 500 mile service also vary jax powersports wants 170.00 I told them I have my own oil (I use amsoil in everything) so he said it would be 110 not sure what all they do.

Thanks again
Robert

2009 Midnight cherry street premium
All stock for now
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varyder
Posted 2008-10-12 6:49 AM (#20498 - in reply to #20497)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA

I haven't replaced them yet, but since I had to tightened them down a lot I figure I should. I used a 3/8 drive standard ratchet, 13mm socket and it was at least a 1/4 turn on all except one. To me that is a lot so I figure there is some carbon build up and I'm asking for it to start doing it again so I might as well replace them. I'm going to do them myself because if I give it to the dealer who knows when I'll see my Vision again unless I go for visitation rights.

Oh, and what do you get for your $110.00, mostly an inspection, it's all in your Rider's Manual. Now with that said, you're getting Victory to do it and you're keeping your local dealer in business, which is a good thing.



Edited by varyder 2008-10-12 6:51 AM
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ness_fan
Posted 2008-10-12 7:19 AM (#20499 - in reply to #19697)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Cruiser

Posts: 64
US
I took the plugs out the front one had carbon on the first two threads not really any build up on the tip, the rear one was tan them plug boots are tough to pull off! the front exhaust bolts were a little loose maybe a quarter turn on one bolt only used a 1/2 inch combo wrench will start in a little while after the wife wakes up see what happens will take your advice and just buy some plugs today

2009 Midnight cherry street premium
All stock for now
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varyder
Posted 2008-10-12 8:24 AM (#20506 - in reply to #20499)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
The tech showed me a trick to get the wires off and they come right off. Use a large, or long needle nose pliers. Put a little piece of cardboard on the flat at the edge of the jug to keep from maring. Using the edge of the jug as a fulcrum, grasp the top portion of the plug cover/connection and gently pull up, comes right off. After you do all the tightening and plug changing, get the dealer to do a reflash, I take it you still have stock pipes? If so then they can do that ANYTIME, it is the others they have to have a passcode from Victory for. (I think). Hope this fixes your problem, if so you think you'll have even a newer cool bike. 
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ness_fan
Posted 2008-10-12 12:05 PM (#20524 - in reply to #19697)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Cruiser

Posts: 64
US
replaced the plugs with some new ones started it up and rode down the street, could not tell much difference so I will have to wait till the weather clears to get it warmed up and check things out.
Robert
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varyder
Posted 2008-10-12 3:41 PM (#20536 - in reply to #20524)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
I'm not sure where you are, is it cold, cool or hot? In cold weather you might not tell a great difference, but moderate to warm climate, I woult think there is a significant difference. Keep pinging DWhite28 and see what he can do for you. I think it sounds like a warranty problem and you'll need to give it to the dealer for a while to figure out.
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ness_fan
Posted 2008-10-12 4:09 PM (#20539 - in reply to #20536)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Cruiser

Posts: 64
US
I am in Fernandina Beach, Florida. (North East corner of Florida just before Georgia) temps still around 80, high humidity still. I am dropping the bike off at the dealer tuesday and I will let him do the 500 mile service at the same time.

Robert
http://www.fbfl.us/
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varyder
Posted 2008-10-12 5:05 PM (#20542 - in reply to #20539)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
Hopefully they'll pinpoint the problem and make it right. Sounds like my first many months but in all of that not even the nuances of the problem did not keep me off the bike.
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ness_fan
Posted 2008-10-12 6:10 PM (#20545 - in reply to #19697)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Cruiser

Posts: 64
US
I hope so. I am not giving up, I like the bike and all the features. Im confident Victory wants to make things right for everyone.
Robert
2009 Midnight cherry street premium
All stock for now

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GAgirlTrixie
Posted 2008-10-16 9:42 PM (#20924 - in reply to #19697)
Subject: RE: Recall Map Response Poll


Tourer

Posts: 320
Savannah, GA -Year round riding!! Yay!
I have the stock exhaust. Fantastic improvement with the reflash. Smoother, throttle response. No hesitation, more power in the low end.
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CoolHandLuke
Posted 2008-10-17 7:10 AM (#20957 - in reply to #19697)
Subject: Re: Recall Map Response Poll


Iron Butt

Posts: 849
, FL United States
I had the recall/reflash done this week & I'm really impressed with how much smoother the Vis runs. Better acceleration & NO POPPING on deceleration! Whoo-hoo!!!!! Looks like Victory got it right this time.
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