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Pittsburgh, PA | I dont know about anyone else but im not worked up.. anyone that knows me personally would be laughing rightnow. especially my old Kaw forum members that some are on here... they know i never did the "follow the leader". on a side note i thought it was a great discussion i would be lieing if i said i didnt learn a few things... I never take this personally as im Not selling tires.. lol i just always have had issues with someone (not you) telling me what i can and cant do.. (you dont ride a real motorcycle usless you ride a Harley!) I love this forum! so many people doing mods etc. if you choose to do it you will find detailed info on here. if you choose its not for you well thats good too! This place is not short on options! |
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New Bohemia, VA | As long as there has been motorcycle forums, there has been debates on a sundry of topics. I find it interesting that folks will bring up totally unrelated examples in attempt to prove the point of a car tire on a bike or strictly using a motorcycle tires.
After reading all that I can on this topic I still come to the same conclusion, without argument in my mind. But because it has to do motorcycles and riding I like to continue to participate in the discussions. The bottom line is that those who want to ride with a car tire will do so despite any rebuttal. It is easy for those who do choose to ride a CT to point out that those who do not wish to partake have no clue what we are talking about. This alone is another poor rebuttal, there are hundred of things that I will never try that others partake in, and those to I have my reason. Some of things are obvisous and lesson are learned well not to try them, often with regret for those that do. But on the same token, there are those things that folks have good results with. Its easy to say, let's agree to disagree. But without these futile threads of articulating one's stance in rebuttal to another's opinion, where would the content be. These seem to be the hottest threads on any forum. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | We need a new thread. What oil do you use while using a CT.! |
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Tucson, AZ | Well, I for one use Rotella with my CT. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Gray rider - 2012-06-26 6:42 PM
Well, I for one use Rotella with my CT.
there you go Gray rider!! Spark that torch!! lol
Im using amsoil "clutch slipping formula" and a Good year triple Assurance Fuel Max. lol |
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| I'll agree to disagree.
I do however strongly believe the "you have to try to like" augment is extremely weak from the technical standpoint. There is just too much miss match from the profile to the bead seat area.... To me, its a red neck, chicken wire, duct tape, approach to a motorcycle tire. Not my thing. I am far from Mr. Safety but my riding style would not even begin to permit the use of anything other than the proper rubber.
You don't have to try meth to know its bad... Same thing with a CT... If it's your drug great! I prefer a very strong IPA, the kind bitter enough to pucker your butt hole.
As for oil, I have used Vic oil but am switching to Rotella, and I use the life time oil filter. In fact I used the life time oil filter on my KP before the Vision.
I burned Amsoil in my last import bike, and it didn't like it one bit... I will stick with the blended stuff. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | just wondering what is the Micro filteration rating on those life time oil filters vs say a Vic oem filter? My dealer gives me a Great deal on Oem vic filters and since my 11 vision has a 5000 mile Oil Change interval it would take me 20+(or over 100K miles) oil changes to break even if that life time oil filter is $140 still.
Ive been interested in those filters. i just never heard any Tech specs on them. when i had my 08 vision i changed the oil alot more often, not so much now..
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Now you got me going again. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH ALL - well, many OF YOU ???????????
DON'T BE SO CHEAP. Cheap Tires. Cheap Oil. Do-it-yourself.
And then you BITCH because your Dealer is out-of-business. And you BITCH because someone does something different than you.
Take your bike to the DEALER and have him put 'some-kind-of-oil' in it, and then change your worn tires for 'some-kind-of-bike-tire'.
Spend the time you will save NOT bitching - screwing your lady or riding your bike. Damn I hate OIL threads ....
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Pittsburgh, PA | donetracey - 2012-06-26 8:26 PM
Now you got me going again. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH ALL - well, many OF YOU ???????????
DON'T BE SO CHEAP. Cheap Tires. Cheap Oil. Do-it-yourself.
And then you BITCH because your Dealer is out-of-business. And you BITCH because someone does something different than you.
Take your bike to the DEALER and have him put 'some-kind-of-oil' in it, and then change your worn tires for 'some-kind-of-bike-tire'.
Spend the time you will save NOT bitching - screwing your lady or riding your bike. Damn I hate OIL threads ....
yeah thats a great idea.. send my bike to the freaking dealer and LEAVE IT for a simple inspection..(dealer will NOT do it right then and there, nor do i expect that) ill be damned im on going to have to get a ride to Drop me off, then ANOTHER ride for someone to take me to my dealer 20 miles away for a inspection or a lightbulb replaced. as cool as my dealer is. they have (1) Guy to work on all their atvs and victorys.. ANYTHING you want done requires you to Leave the bike over night..... guess what.. HELL NO!! i will not only NOT leave my bike over night for a inspection/oil change. I also will not put someone else through the hassle of driving to the dealer 2X just for a simple task.. example Oil change, light bulb, install tire etc.. Most of us do Not have a dealer around the corner and not everyone has a trailer to trailer their bike to the dealer.. personally Im not going to pay $80 for a oil change Plus the gas and shear effort of finding a ride 2 times. Ill do this for a Warranty repairor something major. im not going to pay the dealer to pump my rear shock full of air before i go on a trip.. i DO buy my filters, victory accessories and all related parts i need from my dealer. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Now calm down Don. Don't let all this talk of oil and tires rile you. Everyone has their own concept of what it means to motorcycle. I am cheap, but not so cheap that I have to put on a car tire. I figure if I took my bike to the dealer for things like oil and tire changes I'd have to take out a loan just to maintain it. I've been without a dealer for sometime now, but we now have a local one. I'm going to do my best to promote it and send him business. As for me, I like the intimacy of working on my machine and maintain intimacy with my bride as well, so nothing is compromised. You know there are some men you just can't reach... |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Just teasin', Chris. You know me <grin>
I likes to get 'em goin' - rub a little salt in the wound, shit like that ....
ESPECIALLY when the 'oil' word gets introduced, right?
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Pittsburgh, PA | donetracey - 2012-06-26 8:52 PM
Just teasin', Chris. You know me
I likes to get 'em goin' - rub a little salt in the wound, shit like that ....
ESPECIALLY when the 'oil' word gets introduced, right?
. we all know you pay someone to tie your shoes.. lol
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New Bohemia, VA | I know old friend, I was just sliding in a cheap shot at the cheapskates... |
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| Okay, having read all the posts on this thread I figured I could jump in and give my two cents worth. First, every time I read a post from a Darksider espousing the virtues of going to the Darkside the PRIMARY reason stated for doing so is because of longer tire life than what you get from a typical motorcycle tire, this tells me the primary reason for going to the Darkside is simply to save money. In other words they do not like paying to change their rear motorcycle tire every 15K miles and would rather get 30K to 40K miles out of a car tire mounted on their motorcycle, otherwise known as being CHEAP. There are many places you can save money and be cheaper with things related to your motorcycle, tires are not some of those things.
Second, I have used Amsoil 10W-40 in my Vision since I hit the 10K mile mark with a noticeable increase in the smoothness in shifting and I change my oil every 3K miles. the oil filter every 6K miles. I buy my supplies from my local Honda DEALER, a dealer I have been doing business with for over ten years because they give me a 20% discount off of their marked prices, something not every customer of theirs gets, and I have their service department do my tire changes because (again, I am on great terms with the service writers and manager) I can call them up and tell them I am bringing my bike in the next day and when I bring it in they get the tires changed out in about an hour and a half. The oil filters I get from this Honda dealer are Polaris/Victory filters simply due to the fact that they are a current Polaris dealer and a former Victory dealer (they dropped Victory in 2003 due to differences with Victory's allotment procedures). I support my Victory dealer, the fantastic Randy's Cycles in Marengo, Illinois, by buying most of my accessories and all of my Victory apparel from him as his prices basically match what you can find on the internet. Oh, it helps that the Honda dealer (Nielsen Enterprises in Lake Villa, Illinois) is only five minutes from my house versus forty five minutes to an hour to get to Randy's, and believe it or not Randy is cool with that! Third, I have discovered that Wizard Products (no relation to my own Mr. Wizard's BC) are absolutely fantastic for cleaning, polishing, and otherwise keeping my Vision looking fantastic, I highly recommend them, especially the paint sealer which gives a finish just like Liquid Glass but at half the price. Peace Brothers..............
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| Arkainzeye - 2012-06-26 6:17 PM
just wondering what is the Micro filteration rating on those life time oil filters vs say a Vic oem filter? My dealer gives me a Great deal on Oem vic filters and since my 11 vision has a 5000 mile Oil Change interval it would take me 20+(or over 100K miles) oil changes to break even if that life time oil filter is $140 still.
Ive been interested in those filters. i just never heard any Tech specs on them. when i had my 08 vision i changed the oil alot more often, not so much now..
I can't recall the numbers off the top of my head but when I researched it many moons ago the pore size and efficiency beat vic filter spec.
I got a really good deal on mine... Probably still wont pay for itself...
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| I don't get you guys. You're willing to babble on and on here or the VMC, but why don't you take it to the Mythbuster site? Are you guys lazy, concerned your position might be shown to be false, or do you just like to sit here and blow smoke up our buts to get a rise out of others.
Everyone got excited when they used a Victory for one of their myths, but you wouldn't find a segment on this interesting? Who cares if it does or doesn't put the debate to rest if the segment is fun to watch, and potentially provides us with information we wouldn't normally be concerned with.
The only possible way we can get it to happen is to take all the crap we babbled about here and post it there. Only if there is a large enough interest will they take notice. Hell, you can be lazy, and cut and paste the same crap you have posted here and on other threads.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | I AIN'T DOING NO OTHER 'sites' .... This one here is THE BEST thanks to the folks that built it - and look after it - our WebMiesters.
And we can discuss/discourse/disrespect any DAMNED THING WE LIKE/HATE ---- right HERE !!!!
Any site without our VaRyder ain't worth spit anyway .... except when we talk about SMART CARS
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, WI | You can sit around and talk or you really could get out and ride. The Dunlop Winter Sport. The best tire I have ever had on a road trip. Over 11,000 miles of every kind of road condition. Two lane, interstate, mountain roads, gravel, rocks, mud, pouring rain for 100's and 100's of miles, hill climbs, dips, pot holes, frost heaves. Never broke loose. Taking off from a stop in the rain I could feel it dig in. The most confidence I have ever had riding in the rain. Just based on personal experience. I don't sell tires, couldn't careless what everyone else does. |
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Bainville, & Mesa, AZ, MT | Rollin' - 2012-06-27 12:03 AM
You can sit around and talk or you really could get out and ride. The Dunlop Winter Sport. The best tire I have ever had on a road trip. Over 11,000 miles of every kind of road condition. Two lane, interstate, mountain roads, gravel, rocks, mud, pouring rain for 100's and 100's of miles, hill climbs, dips, pot holes, frost heaves. Never broke loose. Taking off from a stop in the rain I could feel it dig in. The most confidence I have ever had riding in the rain. Just based on personal experience. I don't sell tires, couldn't careless what everyone else does. ?
Who needs Mythbusters when we have Rollin, thanks for the real life input. |
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| sgiacci - 2012-06-26 9:14 PM
I don't get you guys. You're willing to babble on and on here or the VMC, but why don't you take it to the
Because there are no myths when it comes to putting a car tire on a motorcycle... Do you know how to read? That has to be the 5th time I have typed that.
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Brighton, TN | 5 times he's typed it, Gosh, Geez, another page and yet anyone to show the Butt-O-Meter of how it rides, with no hands and hard and aggressive. |
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Kerrville Texas ( now a homeowner on six acres) | All,
I have had my machine serviced in about 10 different dealers across the U. S. I have never had to "drop it off and be without it". However, I ALWAYS call and make an appointment so that they are ready for me when I get there.I ride 100 miles to get an oil change. Wait at the dealer and talk about stuff with the dealer and then ride back home the same day.I am not a mechanic even in my dreams. I can turn a wrench if someone is there to tell me which wrench and what bolt. I love all the oem stuff the dealer puts onto and into my vision as that is the stuff it was tested with before it was produced.
Just the thoughts of a new guy.
1968 kawasaki 125
1981 Yamaha 650 special
2005 Vic kingpen
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New Bohemia, VA | pollolittle - 2012-06-27 10:31 AM 5 times he's typed it, Gosh, Geez, another page and yet anyone to show the Butt-O-Meter of how it rides, with no hands and hard and aggressive. Not only no hands while riding aggressively, but you can stand on the seat and juggle knives while riding in the sphere of death. |
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| varyder - 2012-06-27 8:02 AM
pollolittle - 2012-06-27 10:31 AM 5 times he's typed it, Gosh, Geez, another page and yet anyone to show the Butt-O-Meter of how it rides, with no hands and hard and aggressive. ?Not only no hands while riding aggressively, but you can stand on the seat and juggle knives while riding in the sphere of death.
Knives?! I thought it was flaming chain saws. |
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| I found a picture sequence of Kelvininin while he expounds about darksiding.
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