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Indianapolis, IN | I just have one thing to say............. if all those bitch'n were in charge of Victory, they would be the next company going out of business. The cats making decisions at Vic are making good well thought out business decisions in a very tough time. They are pleasing the crowd they need to in order to keep the brand strong and growing. Most of all they aren't fight over trivial crap that some seem to be hung up on.
Oh and yes they are just another bike company..... a damn good American one at that! If not they'd be making something else........... and doing a fine job of that as well!
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Tifton, GA | Here is my little comment. The change that Victory made on the 2011 transmission was the only thing the earlier Vision need for me to buy one. I KNOW from being on here for several months that the owners of the 08-10 Visions don't complain about the transmissions breaking. When I did test rides on the 10 models the shifting just seemed loose and gear noise was about the same as the HD I was riding. To ME the 2011 tranmission was a deal maker. There are other small changes that don't show, but are nice say car type power outlets for example. No company gets everything right on the first year model Victory has made changes to improve the Vision, because it doesn't need a redesign. Great designs evolve bad designs have to be redesigned. Just my .02 |
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| The cheaper price for the vision is the grey one. A heated seat is an option now. Put the heated seat on a grey vision and you're up over $21,000. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| I think Victory(and the Vision) will be around for quite a long time to come. harley has been around for a long time and definitely set some height on the bar...but Victory is closing fast with all the new technology and willingness to stand out in the crowd and be noticed....one just has to look at the cross bikes to see this and they don't want to be harley just the competition...which they managed to do in a short time. JMHO ;}
Edited by vulkn1 2011-07-28 12:44 PM
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Chino Valley, AZ | Unfortunately there are people who think that if something isn't exactly the way they want it then nobody should have it.
It took me six years to finally get a Victory. the 2004 Kingpin left over in 2005 was the first Victory I rode and I fell in love at the first crack of the throttle. When the Vision was on the drawing board I had my doubts about it, but as it developed and finally showed up on showroom floors, I fell in love once again. I now own a "New to Me" 2008 Vision Tour Premium and I can't imagine wanting anything else. The styling is beautiful, the handling is excellent and the comfort is satisfying. |
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| MaddMaxx...Your just "pissed" cause Victory dropped the Vision 8-ball...The company is as good, if not better, than others in this horrible economic state the country is in......Don't turn on them for such a simple reason..The Vision 8-ball is a great and unique bike in the market place...Consider your self lucky to have one......... |
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Iron Butt
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Northeast Ohio | I am left somewhat unfulfilled about the 2012 announcements. I think we all thought for sure the Vision was getting bigger sidebags. Whether is was the XC bags or larger current design bags. Either way, I was getting a new or newer Vision. Now that they haven't changed anything, I am left with a feeling of unfulfillment. Pardon me while I go sulk. |
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Hey, we should be all glad for one thing. Victory did make the CC a better bike and will sell more because of the changes. As long as Victory is making $$$$ they will still be around and will have the opportunity to make more and better bikes the Vision included........ |
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | No Olas you are totally wrong. I'm disappointed. Stopping the 8 Ball just makes mine worth more. Go dump on someone else!! |
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Puddle Jumper
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| If you want new models every year buy a jap. bike, then you can complain about no after market parts because they change to often , what the hell do you need to bring that the vision bags are to small,ride em customize em and enjoy the best bike built. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | That is true about the jap sportbikes, very little parts remain the same year after model year. A 2006 GSXR 750 or 1000 is virtually worthless compared to a 2006 Harley ElectraGlide. Visions will be the same as HD's in that respect and it's a good thing........... |
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| MaddMAx2u - 2011-07-27 8:33 AM
I officially declare that as of July 26, 2011, Victory Motorcycles is just another bike maker trying hard to be HD. No one has managed that to date. With the future demise of the Vision, Victory is no longer a contender. They no longer stand out from the crowd. They are just another in a bunch of wannabe's
Just my 2 cents!
MaddMAx2u......I am not dumping on you just a little razzing!!!Look at what you wrote...I was just taking exception to them being another bunch of wannabe.'s...Which I believe they are not......My 2011 Vision just took a shot on resale by about $2000 if the new MSRP on the 2012 is correct...I should be the one upset as my bike is apparently worth less now and yours is worth more!!!! Sorry If I offended as it was not my intention......
Edited by opas ride 2011-07-28 6:36 PM
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | i say if you need more room get a trunk rack?. that should close the gap a little close to the XC. im surely NOT going to buy a new bike to gain 12 more gallons of storage (to match the xc tour) id just get a trunk rack and close the gap a little closer. |
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Northeast Ohio | Chris, 12 gallons is almost 50% more internal storage space than we currently have. No trunk rack for me. I had a guy want to trade me even up for my virgin trunk lid for his with a rack as he didn't like the weight or the lack of real functionality. It's not like I am devastated, I was just very surprised in NO changes for their flagship product. I am going to head down the Bushtec path for more storage. |
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New York | If you look closely at the Victory webpage and click customization.. you will see that once you customize the Vision to compare closely to ours or last yrs model the price is around $23,500...
Maybe because the economy is bad they decided to strip down the Vision so more people could get on board with one.. who knows???? |
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Lindale, TX | I could list a number of things that seperate Victory from the competition. I'll just say the 106 V-Twin stands apart from the crowd as dependable, powerful, and low maintenance. My wife say's Victory has the cool factor also. |
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Orlando, FL | No problem opas~ I'm just so disappointed that Victory has given the Vision a back seat. It deserves better and is the bike of the future. At least with a few tweaks. And I think dropping the price is a mistake. We're over the worst of the economic slump now!! I really do think the Vision is on it's way out. Makes me want to put mine on blocks and save it for the auction 20 years from now. Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh. |
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Flowery Branch Ga | Just a thought. They dropped the 8Ball Vision due to the lack of sales. I think that the lack in sales could have come from the lack of a backrest for the Visions. Because of the lack of a low price Vision in the line up (8Ball) they chose to take off a few extras and make them options to lower the overall price of the Vision allowing more people to afford to get on a Vision. I wonder why the Vision would need a redisgn. It hasn't been around THAT long. It still stands out in a crowd (one of the reasons I bought my 8Ball). Personally, I am glad that the company has made the choices that it has in order to stay competitive and alive. Is it a "wannabe" company? I would say yes. Wannabe viable, profittable, innovative, and still in the game long after we are all dead and gone. JMHO.
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Bullhead City, AZ | THe VV was 10 years ahead of its time or HD was 20 years behind, either way the 08 design is good till 2018, I am just glad I get to drive this one till they try to improve it. Change and improvement is not always a good thing. Remember when Pontiac improved the Smokey and the Bandit Trans Am to the Kit Trans Am. I was at a dealer when the owner saw the first Kit in person. He looked like someone shot his mother. The bags work for me and although the trunk could use a better chrome job with the right bag it is fully functional. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| I love my Vision. My only beef is this. I've laid it down twice. Both time going between 5-10 mph and both times causing over $5000. in damage!!!! The biggest issue was damage to the sub-frame and scratched plastic. I don't know what is up with that but thank God I had full coverage on my bike or I wouldda be screwed. Victory's are great bikes but I'm yet to see a Harley sustain 5 grand in damage at 10 mph. |
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Tourer
Posts: 500
| Zeke, not to labor the issue, but what exactly happend to cause the bike to go down? Two up, alone, turning or what? I have had mine for about 3 months now, am 71 and have a fairly short inseam..Laid it down turning in some gravel/dirt at almost no speed as wheel was turned to far to left..I was stopped and just taking off with some other riders when it went down...No damage except small ding on rear tip-over, thank God , which I fixed...But it scared the hell out of me as I could not lift it back up by myself.....Just curious, thanks....... |
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Orlando, FL | wtwhitelaw - 2011-07-28 11:12 PM
Just a thought. They dropped the 8Ball Vision due to the lack of sales. I think that the lack in sales could have come from the lack of a backrest for the Visions. Because of the lack of a low price Vision in the line up (8Ball) they chose to take off a few extras and make them options to lower the overall price of the Vision allowing more people to afford to get on a Vision. I wonder why the Vision would need a redisgn. It hasn't been around THAT long. It still stands out in a crowd (one of the reasons I bought my 8Ball).
Wayne
Hey Wayne, I hear you, and you could be right. HD has enough volume to have the several variations of the same bike (from Road King to Ultra). I doubt Vic has the volume for that and based on the small size of the dealers here in FL I doubt the dealers could handle too many models. And that is why I think the Vision might be done with only another year or two of production left. The XC/CC have stolen the show and let's face it, it'a about sales. Gotta move the merchandise baby!! But hey, I got my 8 ball so screw 'em! LOL LOL LOL
Edited by MaddMAx2u 2011-07-29 11:09 AM
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Litchfield Park, AZ | Madmaxx, I sure hope you come back to the board next year (and the year after that....) when Victory is still building the Vision. You are about poster number 150 in the past 3 years that thinks they will be discontinuing the Vision. Victory does not release sales numbers but talk to most dealers and you will find that the Vision is either their 2nd best seller behind the XC, or quite possibly their best depending on their demographics.
5 years to develop, $20M to design/engineer/test, all the molds and part designs have long since been paid for, they now share all structural/internal components with their best selling cross bikes, and their manufacturing line is capable of producing any bike at any moment in time.....sooooo, when the only cost incurred is pulling a part off the shelf, why would they obsolete this bike?
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| ScoreBo - 2011-07-28 6:14 PM
Chris, 12 gallons is almost 50% more internal storage space than we currently have. No trunk rack for me. I had a guy want to trade me even up for my virgin trunk lid for his with a rack as he didn't like the weight or the lack of real functionality. It's not like I am devastated, I was just very surprised in NO changes for their flagship product. I am going to head down the Bushtec path for more storage.
There was a major change for their flagship product. They changed the flagship to a Cross Country.  |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Owesdalton - 2011-07-29 4:28 PM
ScoreBo - 2011-07-28 6:14 PM
Chris, 12 gallons is almost 50% more internal storage space than we currently have. No trunk rack for me. I had a guy want to trade me even up for my virgin trunk lid for his with a rack as he didn't like the weight or the lack of real functionality. It's not like I am devastated, I was just very surprised in NO changes for their flagship product. I am going to head down the Bushtec path for more storage.
There was a major change for their flagship product. They changed the flagship to a Cross Country.
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