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Edmonton AB, Canada | If I need to go parking lot slow while two up I feather the clutch and drag a little rear brake.
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| VisionTex - 2010-09-13 1:29 PM When the rear motorcycle tire on the Vision wears, it wears flat. So, if your making a slow turn left or right, more input from you has be take place to make that slow turn, because at slow speed there is no counter steer happening, your lean angle has to increase to break over that flat tire surface to the edge of the tire. What I do alot when the rear gets worn is drag the back brake through a slow turn and input through the bars while increasing the throttle, you can put that bike just about anywhere on the in the lane by doing that. In the speedy turns, the effect goes away because your counter steering the bike which overrides the rear tire forces and gets you up on the edge of the tire. But as you described you may fall further into the turn than you really want. With that a little throttle will bring you back in line, also, be sure your looking through the apex not at it. One last thing, when my wife is on the bike, it handles completely different. Yes......adding throttle when it falls it too much is the answer. This happens to all bikes every now and then when entry speed in a tight to moderate tight turn is not right but seems to happen more with our Vision How does your bike handle diff two up vs solo |
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| VisionTex - 2010-09-13 1:29 PM When the rear motorcycle tire on the Vision wears, it wears flat. So, if your making a slow turn left or right, more input from you has be take place to make that slow turn, because at slow speed there is no counter steer happening, your lean angle has to increase to break over that flat tire surface to the edge of the tire. What I do alot when the rear gets worn is drag the back brake through a slow turn and input through the bars while increasing the throttle, you can put that bike just about anywhere on the in the lane by doing that. In the speedy turns, the effect goes away because your counter steering the bike which overrides the rear tire forces and gets you up on the edge of the tire. But as you described you may fall further into the turn than you really want. With that a little throttle will bring you back in line, also, be sure your looking through the apex not at it. One last thing, when my wife is on the bike, it handles completely different. Yes......adding throttle when it falls it too much is the answer. This happens to all bikes every now and then when entry speed in a tight to moderate tight turn is not right but seems to happen more with our Vision How does your bike handle diff two up vs solo |
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| dcramer - 2010-09-14 12:30 AM If I need to go parking lot slow while two up I feather the clutch and drag a little rear brake. The bike stays upright and goes around tight corners easily!
Great idea........I will try it.
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| radioteacher - 2010-09-13 1:37 PM Here is my Vision riding in the ERC MSF box that is measured 24 feet wide by 60 feel long. There is a very massive diff the way you did the tight turn in with great success.... btw.....than I do the same tight turns. Seems to me you are very decisive in dipping into the slow tight turn.....as where I am taking the weinie approach....undecisive and certainly not in command like you were. I will be practicing this procedure and get back to you and everyone. Thanks......and thanks for the video Mike |
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Brighton, TN | Just did the manuever this morning regarding the box. Fresh off a good night sleep, I was all over the place with no dragging of the rear brake, couldn't do it. So, I stopped to fix my cruise control, and let my brain reset and go over all the steps to accomplish the seemingly easy task.
1. Look up and through the turn all the way, don't look down.
2. Light pressure on the rear brake
3. Friction zone on the clutch and a few more rpms over idle.
4. Using just your rear brake control speed, starting turning left and right into a box of your choosing.
That is lightly condensed. But after doing that this morning, I'm able again to drag metal off of my floorboards and highway pegs and not go very fast. It is amazing to me how this big bike will turn in such a tight corner, and do it with such ease and confidence. |
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San Antonio, TX | Nothing has helped my riding more than the "Ride Like A Pro V" Video. I want to take the course that they teach. I need to go to Houston and sign up.
The "clutch feathering/rear brake dragging" technique that they teach and people talk about here is the best solution for slow speed control.
One of the best scenes is when a petite lady rides the bike two up with the instructor on the back seat. They do 20 foot circles on a Harley.
http://www.ridelikeapro.com/
Ride Safe
Edited by radioteacher 2010-09-14 10:14 AM
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New Bohemia, VA | whoot, whoot on the Po and Radioman. The bottomline on riding a motorcycle is that it takes learned skill, some learn easier than others, but a skill none the less. If you want to ride, ppppplease master the riding and understand what you are acutually doing. There have been times, and even today, while screaming down the interstate that I ask myself "What in the world am I doing?" realizing the dangers that I'm exposing myself too. But then I think that cleaning my gutters are dangerous as well on the 20' extension ladder. The key is know what you are doing by practicing avoiding potential hazards and always ride WITHIN your ability. Some of the post I have read lately really make me concerned for the poster.
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Brighton, TN | Please do tell VasafetyRyder, how often do you practice safe gutter cleaning? Do you have a spotter and proper tie off for your ladder? Is your spotter (if you actually have one) CPR qualified, when your skill set happens to fail you, due to not enough proper ladder practice? I'm just wondering!!!
As much as I agree with him, it makes it hard not to occassionally stick him every now and then! Why you ask, because it is FUN? And yes, I used proper typing safety OHSHA approved equipment to send this message. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Ahhh practice safe gutter cleaning...nah...that's why I remind the kin folk who says that ridin' that murder-cycle will kill me, so will cleanin' the gutters. |
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San Antonio, TX | I only clean the gutters when the wife tells me to....which is about twice a year. Now that I think about it my pays for my Life Insurance twice a year.
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Beer Collins, Colorado (there is no fort) | Once again you need to put a helmet on http://www.gutterhelmet.com/ I re-roofed and put these on my new gutters this year and hope to eliminate gutter cleaning from my chore list-we'll see-Brian |
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| varyder - 2010-09-14 12:29 PM whoot, whoot on the Po and Radioman. The bottomline on riding a motorcycle is that it takes learned skill, some learn easier than others, but a skill none the less. If you want to ride, ppppplease master the riding and understand what you are acutually doing. There have been times, and even today, while screaming down the interstate that I ask myself "What in the world am I doing?" realizing the dangers that I'm exposing myself too. But then I think that cleaning my gutters are dangerous as well on the 20' extension ladder. The key is know what you are doing by practicing avoiding potential hazards and always ride WITHIN your ability. Some of the post I have read lately really make me concerned for the poster. Just make sure you insurance policy is up-to-date... News for you.......I have been riding for 40 years.......250k-350k + miles.....so frankly I dont need you to tell me to "master the riding and understand what I am acutually doing" because I am here admitting to everyone here I have this single issue with the Vision and need help because this is the first realllllly large tour bike I have owned. I would recommend you don't continue to extrapolate this into anything more than this single issue and what I stated. You dont know me, never rode with me and my guess if you had you would not have seen me that long as I disappeared in the distance and you gave up trying to keep pace then decided it was a good time to for you to stop at Lowes for the owners manual for your new ladder and while you are at it .....pick up a copy of "How to make friends and influence people." My bottom line for you is...... I hope we understand each other now......... Onward Mike
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New Bohemia, VA | okay, but the point remains the same, the Vision is doing something you are not use to, practice will help become more accustom to riding the Vision. I don't need to know you, or how many miles or years you've been riding. When I start to feel that I can't handle the bike anymore, I'm selling out. So if you are offended because I care that you survive every ride you make, I guess I do need to find new friends to care about.
Your's truly,
Jackass
PS: I think I we could ride together, if you can keep pace with me as it sound you might be able to.
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| varyder - 2010-09-17 3:12 PM okay, but the point remains the same, the Vision is doing something you are not use to, practice will help become more accustom to riding the Vision. I don't need to know you, or how many miles or years you've been riding. When I start to feel that I can't handle the bike anymore, I'm selling out. So if you are offended because I care that you survive every ride you make, I guess I do need to find new friends to care about. News part 2 for you........I have rode the Vision 4k miles and still have the slow speed turnin issue I stated........I dont need any more practice......I had a problem and needed to know if this issue is common to everyone and if not what I am doing wrong so I can correct it. I am glad to hear you are the very first person I have ever heard of 40 years that has never had a problem with bike handling or handling a bike in a single respect like me. This says alot. Me wanting to survive is the reason I posted this problem I am having Now do you have some advise on the issue I stated in my initial post or not.........if not........lets not get further into a sidebar discussion that is not on a path that will help me or anyone else.........fair nuff Mike |
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New Bohemia, VA | Since I only had the issue when I first started riding again, both on an '84 Goldwing, and then for about a month a GL1500 and then on the Vision in 5 years time frame. Riding was the only thing that seem to cure my issues with specific problems, and not simply riding, but practice. The Vision does not handle like the other bikes I mentioned which I am extremly thankful. So far, to date on the Vision I have not had a situation that left me concerned except when I was nearly T-boned by a redlight runner.
Two up, parking lots, gravel, snow, pouring rain, blazing wind in 110 degree weather, all of which the Vision and I seem as one. The only thing that scares me is the level of confidence I have on this machine makes me remind me of how dangerous it is.
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Brighton, TN | team222 (Mike) - VasafetyRyder is our resident safety OSHA approved inspector / advisor for all things concerning the Vision. If you don't believe me look in his gallery, he put OSHA approved leather Fringe on his handlebars, so in case his grip was failing, he could tie himself to it. If it weren't for him, there would be a larger pool of keyboard accidents. Safety to him and all riders is his creme' de la creme'! It is his calling of which he is passionate, and for that he excels and exceeds on all accounts, and I applaud him. My guess is he, like I, have run across way to many riders in our geographical location and daily rides, notice, they swing a leg over and now they are riding on a closed course of trained professional drivers in cages. Taking chances they wouldn't normally take. I see it all the time.
Example: Biker comes rollin' by on Harley and I swing in behind him, everything looks cool till he decides hangin' with a Victory ain't so cool and he rolls the throttle and squeezes between two cars doin 60+ down the highway. Why, I don't know, but I am sure it is one of the types of stories with which the Safety Man VaRyder is very passionate. I on the other hand go "DumbASS!" If I had the chance I'd try to talk to him, but otherwise I chalk him up to another statistic, which he will be unless he figures out the safety side of it.
Just cause I feel like typing: Another quick story, I bought a dirt bike from a kid, <20, who was told by dad to buy to learn on and after two weeks decided he was a seasoned pro. He had already purchased the crotch rocket Yamaha R1, when dear ole dad wasn't around I asked how fast, he ante'd up 130+. This after just starting to ride ANY bike. I just kinda shook my head, informed him of a MSF course and a drag strip he could try his bike out at safely. I asked him to be safe and enjoy the ride. End of story!
He's right in that practice makes perfect and everybody should, he just types it more than everyone else. I have personally met the fellow and I personally thought he was a fella you wouldn't mind hangin' out with. Seems to have his head screwed on straight and not to overly opinionated. I brought a fella along with me to meet him (I was in Virginia after all) and the guy was a non biker, but Varyder made him feel comfortable none the less and both of them kinda ganged up with the waitress to hassle me throughout the evening.
Not only that, he is one of those things, as you open the door to vision-riders you will find he is always here, with a statement and an opinion. Which luckily for us is a good thing.
Because if he got up in your thong (not that I know whether or not you wear one, cause I don't know you), it's only a matter of time before I start diggin on ya! Why you ask, because I have DNA with an X in it, and I find it somewhat humorous and so does some of the other folks.
I think my fingers are typing. I think I will copy the above note since it is so long and whenever someone gets all riled up at the VaSafetyRyder, I will just re copy onto the new post. VaSafetyRyder lets start making corrections and/or make a post to get stickied at the top for safety purposes so that you don't have to rehash or recopy all your ideas.
I'm done.
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Central New York | I'm a visual type of guy. I can usually some up a rider training/experience by how he dresses to ride. If I see a rider with a decent helmet, LONG pants, LONG sleeve shirt, BOOTS, and GLOVES, I now he is a serious, trained, rider. If I see a rider with a pan on his head, shorts, sneakers, muscle shirt, and no gloves, I surmise that rider has no clue of the consequences to task and at some point in time will probably end up road kill. |
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New Bohemia, VA | well, there you have it. I'm out, as I'm not a full time gear wearer, though it is always long pants and boots all the time and gloves. Also, beyond a MSF ERC I've never taken "Ride like a Pro" or any other course. I step down as Mr. OSHA, or any other title I might have.
well I guess that's my 15 minute of fame gone up in flames....
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Central New York | Can't escape that easy, the only thing off your "all the time" list was a long sleeve shirt. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I will wear a leather vest.... |
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Brighton, TN | with chains on it. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I took the chains off and went with lace.... |
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| Soooooooooooo......before this gets further off topic like Cher not wearing NASCAR/MSF/OSHA or Walmart approved apparel when she was riding the 16" gun on the battleship Missouri.......I want to thank everyone for your help and advise. The video is the place to start and I will post my progress.......riding the box video ....not the Cher video. Hummmmmmmmmmm...I wonder if I would have rode better and faster at track days and in roadracing if Cher had walked through the pits with that outfit every so often........yupppppppppppppp is my guess. Victory Vision......one of the best bikes I have ever owned. I am starting there and if I can get myself "up to speed" on my slow speed turnin issue things this bike will be perfect for us....my wife and I....................not Cher and I.  Thanks again Mike |
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Edmonton AB, Canada | the funny thing about experience is that it is not related to time... |
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