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Tourer
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Dallas, Texas | I have purchased Motul's Twin Syn 20W50, and will use at my next change. Pur Oil Filters are great, I use allways on my Vision, without issue. |
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Tourer
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Dallas, Texas | RhodeTrip - 2010-09-16 5:19 AM
I sent an e-mail to Amsoil asking if they plan on offering a semi-synthetic product any time soon, I mentioned that clutch slippage is a concern with full synthetic. Here is the response:
JIM;
There is NO truth to the claim that full synthetic oils, that have passed JASO MA or the more stringent MA-2, causes clutch slippage. This specification is very specific on the performance of wet clutches and how it prevents slippage.
Byron Selbrede
Technical Services
AMSOIL INC.
ADDRESS: 1 AMSOIL Center, Superior, WI 54880
E-MAIL: bselbrede@amsoil.com
PHONE: 715-392-7101
FAX: 715-392-3097
I have used Amsoil in my bikes, including a Kingpin, and never noticed any slipping. The first 2 changes in my Vision were with VIC oil, I think it will be Amsoil at the next change. In the hot weather the VIC oil seems to breakdown around 1800 miles the shifting clunks much louder and neutral is harder to find. I have always changed oil & filter at 3000 miles, using Amsoil 10-40 my KP was just starting to sound louder when shifting at 3000.
Well, that was a shocker of a response wasn't it? I wouldn't have expected anything else. |
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Iron Butt
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Southeast Iowa | Well of course you would expect Amsoil to answer that way...........especially if it's true. Is there any good reason to doubt what Byron from Amsoil had to say? It sounds more logical than most arguments I've heard suggesting that "AMSOIL is too slick and it will make your clutch slip"
As for me I trust personal experience and my experience with AMSOIL has been great. I use 20/50 and have never had a clutch slippage issue. Maybe I don't do enough burnouts to make it slip........oh well, tires are expensive anyway.
Speaking of AMSOIL.... Tim "Roadkill" Werder is donating his 1999 Victory V92C to the National Motorcycle Museum in Anamosa Iowa. What's so special about his bike? It is the first Victory to hit the 200,000 mile mark. Tim is a AMSOIL dealer and runs 20/50 in the summer and 10/40 in the winter. That oil must not be too bad for your bike if it can make it over the 200,000 mile mark. |
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Iron Butt
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Central New York | Just turned 2k with Mobil 1 V-Twin 20-50. It's coming out today. Horrible stuff, made the Vision sound like a New Holland hay bailer right from the getgo and never got better. Pick up a couple jugs of T6 5-40 that's going in today. Don't know if it will be better, but I know it can't be worse. I'll post my thoughts after a few miles. 
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | Okay, get this. I went to Rotella 5w40 and it was the best move to date I've made with oil. 5w40 will be my oil of choice unless I head to the desert again. Why? Since I've used the "5"w 40 I've had zero start up ticking noise the engine makes. That tick has done it every time it starts when it is cold but not with this last oil change. No shifting problems or other issues, yet. |
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Tourer
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scotts valley, California | INFO FOR THE POT: I tried the Mobile One 10w30 (coming from Victory 20w40) -- no noise improvement, no shifting improvement, slight clutch slippage with high rpm up shift (fifth to sixth). Gonna try Rotella T-6 5w40 next. |
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Iron Butt
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Central New York | Took the bike out for a 50 mile jog around town after the oil change (T6, 5-40, Blue jug), can not believe the change. It is quieter than when it came off the showroom floor. No tic on start-up, no timing chain slap, and no teeth chattering BANG going down into 1st. Oh--and for those that believe that oil is no factor on the gear indicator, mine is working like new again. First time in a thousand miles. If it holds up until the next oil change I will be a true blue (jug) believer. |
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scotts valley, California | That is what I wanted to hear, glighto. Based on your testimony, I think I'll waste the remaining miles on my Mobile One and change to T6 5w40 right now.... Might have to change my name to Blue Bottle Guy. |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | im already on my 2nd oil change with Rotella T6 5w40.. $19.99 for a gallon at most places great price! |
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Tourer
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scotts valley, California | Thumbs up for T6.
Blue Bottle Guy
Formerly |
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Tourer
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scotts valley, California | Come to think of it, Blue Bottle Guy sounds too much like Blue Bottle Fly, so BlueSkyGuy it stays. But the blue bottle T6 seems like good stuff for the Vision. |
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Cruiser
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Virginia Beach, Virginia | Looking to get consensus. Is the winner the t6, and what filter is the one to get? My bike has all the symptoms so I want to do a change this week! So far it seems the answer is 6 quarts of t6 and a purr filter, or something like that. Please set me straight. |
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scotts valley, California | Here is the straight scoop. The bottom line straight truth of the matter is that some of us have come to the correct conclusion, and others of us have come to another correct conclusion. This is an oil thread for crying out loud! As for me and my house, we will use the t6 5w40 (4.5 qts.) and the WIX 51356 filter as long as we feel good about it.
Thanks to Kevinx, I frequently run her up past red line (she just goes there before I know it) and I want to know that she is properly lubricated. I want her slippery and tight and purring like a kitten. The t6 just feels good to me. |
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Cruiser
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Virginia Beach, Virginia | Blue Sky Guy - 2010-09-27 12:35
I want her slippery and tight and purring like a kitten. The t6 just feels good to me.
I am just making sure that we are still talking about the Vision and Rotella. Your comment had me thinking Astroglide and Dom Perignon. But hey, my wife says that i treat my vision that way as well, and then makes reference to an old Will Ferrell skit where, let's just say, he got a little too friendly with his ride.....
Thanks for the advice. What brand was the filter? |
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Iron Butt
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Central New York | I am not a filter expert so take this with a grain of sand. I have seen a couple web sites with dissected filters and the WalMart ST7317 is as good or better than the best of them so that is what I have used the last 3 changes. The oils comes out almost as clean as when it went in.
So----, T6 and ST7317 is my combo until something gives me reason to change from that. |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | a filter will NOT effect the COLOR of the oil.. if your oil is coming out clean its to do with the oil not the filter. btw oil coming out almost clean is not a good sign and that means the cleaners in the oil are NOT working. even when my vision was new the oil came out dark. (blow by gases etc) |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | ...and the debate goes on. I get the same affect with the 7317 with the old oil being more translucent when drained. So what you're saying Chris, is that the 7317 is NOT doing its job, correct?
Now, this might not be the best judge of what is good or bad, but I've been using the 7317 for the majority of my oil changes over the last two years, but I'm still not burning or leaking oil at 82,600+ miles. Now that may give testimony more to the intergity of material the engine is built from in bearings, liners and rings than the oil or filter used. |
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Cruiser
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B'ham, Al. | "btw oil coming out almost clean is not a good sign and that means the cleaners in the oil are NOT working." This is dead-on it! Oil has 3 main purposes. 1st is to lubricate. 2nd is to cool, and 3rd is to clean. If it comes out clean then either you have a 'perfect' engine (ie: no wear, no blow-by at all, etc) or the oil is not doing it's job. It should be picking up contaminants and holding them in suspension until it is drained, thereby making it dark and/or dirty looking. It's simple - it ain't rocket science RR
Edited by Roadrocket 2010-09-27 11:51 AM
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New Bohemia, VA | RR, I'm understanding the statement, but the curious part is that the oil for me "appears" translucent using the ST7317 filter, the oil has remained the same, AMSOIL 10w40. There's too many factor involved to make a positive assessment as my eyes are not calibrated for detail light analysis. |
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Cruiser
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B'ham, Al. | Perhaps change just the filter and check the color again after a few 100 miles. But IMO you won't see any change based on any filter you use. It should just get gradually darker with use. RR |
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Iron Butt
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Central New York | Would seem to me that if the particulates are still in suspension in the oil when you drain it that the filter is not doing it's job. I would rather have my bearing lubed with a clean oil and not oil with a lot of crap suspended in it. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| I wonder if I can renew this tread. I have a 08 Prem Tour with 2500 miles that has been in storage for 2 yrs. Right before I stored it I put Mobile 1 V Twin oil in it to try and help the transmission noise. I took it out this week for the first 100 mile ride and the clutch is gone leaving me stranded. The dealer says it is the oil and they have seen it before on the Vision. I'm running the same oil in my 07 Kingpin and have 10,000 miles on it with no problem. The dealer says two different clutches in the bikes so I wonder if that is the difference. By the way the GE extended warranty said sorry for my luck and no coverage. After reading all the fine print they don't have to cover anything if they don't want to. |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Certainly KevinX or Lloyd can speak to this with confidence, but since the engines used in all current models are the same except for cams, I don't see how your dealer's claim can be true. Granted, your '07 Kingpin is a smaller displacement but I can't imagine the clutch design is radically different enough to have oil be the deciding factor. I think there are numerous others on this board that use MOBIL 1 VTwin in their 106 engines without incident.
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Cruiser
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ESCALON CA. | I ran mobile 1 v-twin for 2-4 oil changes, I can't really remember for sure. Clutch started to slip so I changed back to Vic oil, now all is well. |
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Iron Butt
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Central New York | Well, information is a little lacking here. What happened to the clutch? Has the clutch been disassembled and inspected? Or are we working on dealer speculation. If the disks have been inspected, what is the condition?
Without more information I can only give basic advice.
1) Save the old oil.
2) Don't allow any destructive testing of any parts.
3) Take lots of pictures.
4) Consider hiring an independent mechanic/engineer.
From what you have said, you only have a hundred miles on the oil and lots of time. which should take you (the owner) out of the equation. This is a battle between Polaris and Mobil. Were it me, I would contact my lawyer and file suit against both and let them fight it out.
That being said, I would not be a bit surprised to find out there is nothing wrong with the clutch itself, but that the hydraulics dried up and crapped out after 2 years of sitting.
In any case, I would not pay a dime.
Good Luck. |
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Sorry about this, but I'm curious about an oil question
