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Iron Butt
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Northeast Ohio | I always have enough room. It's the woman and her damn shoes. :-) |
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Puddle Jumper
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Oregon | You guys are kidding, right?
The Vision saddlebags are a joke. Big on the outside, small on the inside. Ok for a first attempt in 2008 but Victory should have optimized the space by now. It looks like a Thomas' English Muffin behind the saddlebag door, with all the unusable nooks and crannies. What about the wasted space in the tail fin or is that all just to hold the "V" taillight? Could be a small trunk.
The Vision is marketed as a touring bike. If styling is your top priority, suggest removing the trunk... or buy a Kingpin or a Hammer.
So what's wrong with wanting to squeeze in as much stuff as possible for a 3 or 4 week tour... for two people? Besides rain gear, camping gear, helmets, who wouldn't want their laptop, work-out clothes (including tennies), nicer clothes, survival tools (it's not a Honda), and a small air matress? What about the bottle of wine from the winery you just visited? And besides the hygiene factor, I would rather not waste riding/fun time by sitting in a laundromat if I don't have to.
I want 2-wheeled performance with as much shit as I can reasonably carry. Go fast and live comfortable. Styling is a bonus but you can't see much of it when you're actually riding it. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| Ha Ha! You need an RV!
We fill the liner bags with our gear and off we go... our motto is travel light! I think that if we camped we'd look for a trailer but for hotel/B&B travel we've been happy so far. |
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Iron Butt
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New York State | I two up on my Vision all the time. I put bike gear and netbook in trunk I give Donna one saddle bag liner and I use the other. We always mail extra stuff home and have had no trouble touring.
When I first handed Donna her liner she said what can I put in here for a long weekend? I told her a mini skirt some halter tops and a handfull of thongs.
Edited by Trekwolf164 2010-07-31 10:44 AM
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Visionary
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LaPorte,Tx. | I ride a lot with three of my friends on long trips. One is a GW and the two others are Ultras owners. We all can carry pretty much the same gear, and we ride mostly two up. So on a trip, the Vision can carry what you need for a long trip...even a lap top, air compressor, tools, spray can of detailer, micro rags, rain suits 2, flashlights, maps, sun screen, tissue paper, toilet paper...you never know, energy drinks, wet wipes, asprin, hat, crocs, clothes for 5 days, curling iron,...hey there is more and it's a lot. A lot of motels now offer washer/dryer service to their guests, or you can use the landromats. At Sturgis last year, I washed some clothes at Hill City, early one morning, and hey, I had some pretty good conversations with other riders that morning. Learned something new about the area. So the Vision can have style and carry the cargo...Oh I forgot, I also carry a big role of duct tape, that is a must when riding with my Harley friends, they are always borrowing it.
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Cruiser
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Litchfield Park, AZ | PatMcQ - 2010-07-31 6:39 AM
You guys are kidding, right?
The Vision saddlebags are a joke. Big on the outside, small on the inside. Ok for a first attempt in 2008 but Victory should have optimized the space by now. It looks like a Thomas' English Muffin behind the saddlebag door, with all the unusable nooks and crannies. What about the wasted space in the tail fin or is that all just to hold the "V" taillight? Could be a small trunk.
The Vision is marketed as a touring bike. If styling is your top priority, suggest removing the trunk... or buy a Kingpin or a Hammer.
So what's wrong with wanting to squeeze in as much stuff as possible for a 3 or 4 week tour... for two people? Besides rain gear, camping gear, helmets, who wouldn't want their laptop, work-out clothes (including tennies), nicer clothes, survival tools (it's not a Honda), and a small air matress? What about the bottle of wine from the winery you just visited? And besides the hygiene factor, I would rather not waste riding/fun time by sitting in a laundromat if I don't have to.
I want 2-wheeled performance with as much shit as I can reasonably carry. Go fast and live comfortable. Styling is a bonus but you can't see much of it when you're actually riding it.
So Pat, You don't want to use a hotel laundry AND you want to travel for 4 weeks......OK......plus you want to have the laptop (which I carry on 2-up tours WITHOUT even using the tour pack). So, you are gonna carry 56 pairs of pants/shorts, 56 pairs of undergarments (you did say you were going 2-up right?), 2 pairs of tennis shoes, that bottle of wine, an air mattress (not sure why without the tent as well....maybe for some quick sex on the side of the road).......plus you'll need the foot pump, 56 shirts, 56 pairs of socks, a month's supply of toiletries,........plus all your regular riding gear....plus hers.....correct? You did say you were gonna be gone for a month right? No trailer right??? And you are going to fit all this into the Cross Country? or the Gold Wing? or the Ultra Classic?
Best of luck to you.
PLEASE, show me all this stuff packed onto your grandpa mobile Gold Wing. I call Bullsh!t.
I'll take my wife on the Vision and be the happiest guy on the road for a month and not miss a damn thing I left behind.....and still have room to pick things up along the way. Of course I live in reality and and pack for 5 days....not 30, but I do carry extra helmets, extra dress clothes, extra shoes, all our riding gear, that laptop you mentioned, and room for our drinks, and snacks.
And BTW, I'll let you know the first time my Vision ever breaks down....but you may not want to hold your breath. I'll enjoy talking to the folks admiring my Vision while you admire that extra cubic inch storage space on your Gold Wing (it's not a Vision).
Edited by phoenix9 2010-07-31 1:45 PM
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Puddle Jumper
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Oregon | Funny... except for Phoenix9. You seem hostile. I drive a Vision, not a Goldwing. I had a 2002 Goldwing... the saddlebags held more and I could also put a tank bag on it.
I don't have a trunk. I never said I wouldn't use the motel's laundry service or that I to need to carry 56 sets of clothes. Lighten up. It's as if I insulted your sister or something. It's a motorcycle. And my new 2010 Vision with 5000 miles on it has stranded me recently. Electrical problems. |
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Litchfield Park, AZ | Pat,
I think you should pay attention to what you post......how did you NOT say that you didn't want to use a laundry???? and that you wanted to be able to go out for 3-4 weeks???, carry the camping gear, and an air mattress, and all the other goodies. I still want to see you pack all this stuff........for 28 days.....for 2 people=56 sets of clothes.....my math is pretty good that way.
I'm not the one who made all those statements, YOU did. I just called the chest puffing. Does the Gold Wing have bigger bags? Yep. Is it enough to tilt the world's rotation? Nope.....and I'll take everything else the Vision offers in a heartbeat over the extra storage.....but that's just me.
......And yes, your "its not a Honda" comment pissed me off.....which is how I knew you were either a current or former GW owner. I'd be interested to know what tool you were planning to carry to fix your electrical problem....other than a couple extra fuses.
Edited by phoenix9 2010-07-31 7:23 PM
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | ...wow, you can't carry as much with your panties all knotted up. Keep in mind PatMcQ, the styling is part of the Visions function that keeps it more stable at highway speeds, truck wash and cross winds. I wouldn't go back to box style riding for anything and the Vision holds what I need to carry and maintain weight load and balance. If you want to cram more stuff might a trailer be more suitable to keep the ride of your bike as designed?
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Visionary
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | And you're also forgetting - when your Vision is loaded properly, there is NO room for the Co-pilot to stash anything she buys. I KNOW this because I had to say "THERE'S NO ROOM" to her 10 times today on the Oregon Coast..... Saved me a ton of money!!! |
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Puddle Jumper
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Oregon | Relax phoenix9 and varyder. I said "I would rather not waste riding/fun time by sitting in a laundromat if I don't have to." It does not say I won't do laundry. I would do it less often if I can carry more. No chest puffing or knotted up panties here. I never said I liked the Goldwing better than the Vision. I was originally responding to the saddlebag debate and trying to interject a little reality. Fact: The Goldwing saddlebags held more than the Vision saddlebags. I have my opinions about the Vision, mostly good, but it seems I dare not say anything negative about the "best bike in the world". Again, it's a motorcycle, not a person. This is a forum, not a Victory commercial. I am a Victory fan. I also have 2007 Kingpin.
BTW: The electrical problem was a loose connection, which I found later in my garage, where I had tools. My apologies for the joke... it could have happened on a Honda, too. |
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New Bohemia, VA | You can say all you want to say about the best bike in the world, it doesn't change anything.
Edited by varyder 2010-08-01 5:37 AM
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Iron Butt
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Southeast Iowa | Easy on PatMcQ there boys...............I agree that the saddlebags could/need to be bigger. As I remember most of us complained about the lack of saddlebag space over 2 years ago on this same forum. Hell my leather coat with liner alone fills up my right side bag. There's maybe enough room left to tuck in some gloves, cell phone, and a few other trinkets but she's full. Yes I can go 2 weeks with what I got, (I do) but I could go 2 weeks on a bike with no saddle bags if that's all I had but that doesn't mean I would like it. From what I can tell there is no reason why Victory can't maintain the current look and get more storage from that space behind the saddlebag lid. My wife now rides a Cross Roads and I find myself borrowing saddle bag space from her because those babies are huge. I am so jealous..............my guess is the Cross Country with a trunk now has significantly more storage space than the Vision, there is just something wrong with that. |
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Cruiser
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Virginia Beach, Virginia | Jesus, this argument is over the "debate" as to whether the vision has adequate storage in the side bags? No one is complaining about the top case, though the design is a tad strange. But the side bags? The DESIGNER of the side bags stated that he regretted the design choices and wanted to change the design when
New technology came out that allowed for a bigger rotomolded insert, but the contract with the manufacturer (not Victory) prevented him from doing so, and that there would probably be a change in 2012. Pheonix, ease the hell up, with all due respect. I know you are mainly having fun, but my wife read this forum and actually stated that there must be members with hostility issues. Two up riding for more than 2 days cannot be done comfortably (2 pair shoes, 2 helmets) without additional bungee cords or a trailer. And that goes for most bikes out there. So let's all make nice and continue to bash other brands, and not each other. Not enough Victory owners to go around, in my opinion. |
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New Bohemia, VA | BNR, I think I read something like that but it didn't hit until you just mentioned it. I'm curious as to what the change will be for 2012 in regard to size. Despite the habit of posting a lot here on V-R, I'm new to forum posting, but the few I have lurked and moderately participated in the GW area, size does matter. It is gadgets and how much I can carry. The Vision has melded a different group of people together where speed and agility is the brag point, but with a bike labeled as a tourer, then capacity becomes the mantra for those folk. Despite the art of fine tuning the GW, it is still a boxy lox and I saw many wobble into a gas station obviously overloaded with the kitchen sink riding two-up. The smarter and more experienced riders had a trailer in tow. Like an old school Indian rider told me a few years ago when he saw my bag on the back seat, "get a trailer". He told me he had toted one to Sturgis for many years because he didn't like the handling of his bike feeling like crap overloaded.
I think the hostility that you read is just a family squabble. Ride safe, Ride long, Ride often, and Ride on...
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | This always opens up a can of worms don't it ?? |
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New Bohemia, VA | XRsteve - 2010-08-01 4:35 PM
This always opens up a can of worms don't it ??
...did someone say "oil"...  
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Virginia Beach, Virginia | Totally off topic, but since I consider you at least a quasi-authority, I will ask: why should oil really matter when you are changing every 2500 miles? I plan on using oil change in a box, which is semi-syn. What else is there to discuss? |
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New Bohemia, VA | BNR, no authority here, but at 2,500 miles, you're right, I personally don't think it matters. On motorcycle and I'm sure other automotive forums oil becomes the greatest and most heated debates. For XRsteve I was commenting that this subject on bags was no can of worms compared to the oil topic. Sorry for digressing and hi-acking an otherwise sensible thread.
Ouch - notE to self - SHUT UP! |
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Cruiser
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Litchfield Park, AZ | I had no idea that I can't carry everything I need on my Vision....even though I have for a couple 3500 mile/7 day trips. Did y'all really need a thread to know that the side bags are smaller than the rest?.........this just in: the engine gives off heat and when you look in the mirrors you can see your hands. To Varyder's point, the GW can pack as much as a small SUV, and yet nobody on here owns one. If you want cake, eat cake. If you want pie, eat pie......but don't cry when you cake doesn't taste like pie.
My point is this: understand your bike and plan accordingly. I just want to know what some of you are carrying that I am not. I do leave my lawnmower behind when I ride.....maybe that's the difference.
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New Bohemia, VA | I want my cake and Edith too! - sorry Phoenix9, I'm signing off, but I couldn't resist. Somehow that guy who lives close to the chicken man needs to do a MP on knowing the difference between cake and pie... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | On the way home today I saw a six cylinder wing, two up, bag on luggage rack AND pulling a color matched trailer, they were headin south down I-85 in N.C. and were running about 75mph.............Now that's alot of stuff............ |
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Indianapolis, IN | Back on subjuct, sort of. We all know about the saddle bag issue, and most have heard by now that a redesign is probably in the works. I just hope the redesign is done in such a way that the new bags will work with the previous model years as a retrofit. No doubt expensive, but probably cheaper than buying a trailer, hitch and trailer harness. This may be asking a lot but lets all hope at least (hint, hint hint Vic engineering).  |
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Bay of Gigs, WA | Last Christmas, when I had about 50 miles on my new (to me) '08 Street Premium, it quit raining for a few hours, and since we had company coming over for dinner, my wife dispatched me to go pick up a couple boxes of "International Beers of the World," for gifts. I called up a buddy of mine to ride along, and we went into town to get them, when to my dismay, THEY WOULDN'T FIT IN THE $%^&* SADDLEBAGS! They are in a box of bottles, ten each, and were too tall and so wouldn't make the corner to get down inside.
My buddy says, "No prob, Bro. We'll put'em in mine." Of course, he opened up the top of the bags on his Electra Glide Ultra, and they fit right in. Who was mortified? Secretly steaming, I had us ride over to the local Schmucks and bought a package of bungie cords, and hooked'em to my luggage rack to get them home, which was actually kind of cool looking-but still...
ARE YOU LISTENING, ARLEN???? How in the hell do you get involved in a project that can't carry beer? All those decades of custom Hawgs and now this-Sheesh!
So I got out my patented Glen Beck mail-order blackboard and put Arlen and Coreys' pictures on it, and sure enough, in the background were a bunch of Hardleys. And now, VV's that can't carry beer...and they were involved. Hmmm-a consipracy? You be the judge!
(And to all you eccentrics filling them up with underwear-I just don't get it-you really can't get any beer in there if you do that. Where are your priorities man??) |
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hudson, IL United States | what i did is told my wife that when we take a car she can pack, when we take the bike its all me. like the little space under the trunk where the bolts are, my cb box is in there but you can still fit the tooth brushes and stuff. then all said and done just find a wife that dosnt care for painting her face on or what her hair looks like. the only over night trip we did was 4 days but we had to take extra "nice" cloths for going out to eat. we fit it all and could still put our full face helmets in the top trunk. |
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Cross Roads Saddlebags on a VV?
