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Colorado | Here is my two cents...I don't need another club/association to be a part of, like many I have read on this thread...Discounts at least in Colorado won't be any deeper than the VRA rewards me as a Victory owner already. I don't want the politics either of who holds what position and how they want to influence my hobby in their personal direction. My hope for vision riders is like the C-VRA in which riding is the sole focus or brand education and camaraderie is the highest priority. The VMCs down fall is the dividing lines it nurtures either your in or out and how they align the dollars. I want a family of riders to associate with I could care less about shear numbers as long as the quality of people is high and riding is the focus.
Crawford did a nice job....I would say use it as a reward patch for riders who attain mileage on their Vision...50 K bronze. 100K gold, 150+ Platinum...but with it comes a responsibility that a rider can't flame another or belittle a rider because he doesn't have the same time to ride or can't put on the same level of mileage ... or use it to reward active participation of the years with a rocker for the years he has been active...I know a contradiction in the overall message I am sending just thinking out loud
Lets be conscious about the potential dividing lines we put in place, respect one another and be passionate about the road, lifestyle and the ride. I know a rider fighting Cancer who is also a Vision rider. We didn't like each other in the beginning but I value the Friendship now and respect life (the ride) is to short for the political crap.
Again its just my opinion
Just my opinion
Edited by badnvegas 2008-03-09 12:48 PM
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | I'm seeing this discussion boil down to nobody wants to be a part of yet another club or association. I for one am in agreement, who needs the politics, I just want to ride and if I find someone to ride with along the way or make new friends, GREAT! I do think having a decal, patch and/or pin with the Vision-Riders website's logo or something like the logo that I have created would be great to be able to spot a Vision Rider/Pilot in the crowd.
My feeling is that this website has already done way more than any club or association could ever hope to accomplish . . . . . . keep up the great work!
Here are a couple of variations on the VV Wings. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Okay, I feel lashed 50 times with a wet noodle. I too, understand where a clique can go, and the politics along with it. But folks, I think my intentions were well over misunderstood. Time will dictate, and we are all open to choices we decide to make, and for good reasons. Having been a member of another motorcycle association I promptly had my patch sewn on and wore my little badge thingy. After about a week, I took them both off. I'm an active member of another motorcycle association and have not sewn on any patch either. I do not have to wear my identity in the form of a batch or hide behind the associtation. However, when I did my 1,600 mile trip to Texas, it was good to take my book with me with all my "friends" in it.
The politics, phewy!, I agree, I hate politics and flaming and all that other stuff. When I ride, I ride and I ride with anyone that will ride with me. I'm more of a lone wolf though because I ride everyday. Though I enjoy a good Saturday or Sunday ride with my honey, I've only made one collective, make that two collective rides in my life. One was last year at rolling thunder, and the new years ride at the dealer. The point is I'm not a big group person, but knowing that I can get a few bucks off of something because I belong to a group, that's worth something. So another point is that I was looking past all the objections, which I whole heartedly agree, my association suggestion of those who wanted to take part would allow us to begin to lay the foundation for the benefits, not to be exclusive in our nature, but to bind together for the greater good.
That other motorcycle association, I got involved in the board and quickly found a lot of bickering and quickly departed the forums and only used the specific ones when I needed them. This forum is really a great forum and I am very thankful for what Miles and JAM and the others have done.
So before anyone thinks I was trying to make us into something that is found elsewhere, that was far from my intentions. Again, personnally I am a lone wolf and ride my own path. As my wife has reminded me on numerious occassions "I have never met anybody like you!" to which I reply, "Good, because I don't want to be like anyone else." So no hard feelings, I saw no flames and will continue to enjoy this great forum with all the great Vision riders, and non-Vision riders, pilots, whatever and hope we can grab a chili dog on a Saturday afternoon somewhere.
Edited by varyder 2008-03-09 3:32 PM
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NW Illinois | Chilidogs sound good to me.
That's what makes bulletin boards, e-mail and all other non-human one on one communication so fun and challenging without the body language and instant feedback things can go anywhere.
My original thoughts remain that the VRA should be build up to surpass both the Goldwing and HOG groups, clubs or whatever you want to call them. I to really like the benefits that can come with belonging to a large organization, the VRA has the best chance to give its members benefits because it would be the larger organization and there is strength in numbers.
Back to the chili dogs, bottom line for me that's what it's all about go out and ride and hopefully meet a few of you along the way and kick tires.
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Mount Vernon, WA United States |
I'm seeing this discussion boil down to nobody wants to be a part of yet another club or association. I for one am in agreement, who needs the politics, I just want to ride and if I find someone to ride with along the way or make new friends, GREAT!
THAT is EXACTLY the spirit behind the creation of this site and the other Victory-Rider sites that are part of the Victory Riders Network.
I do think having a decal, patch and/or pin with the Vision-Riders website's logo or something like the logo that I have created would be great to be able to spot a Vision Rider/Pilot in the crowd.
We are working on this, along with a few other things...
Thanks again.
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Memphis | Whew! That was quite the dance. I'm starving. Great discussion guys. Every single point was valid. Can't wait to meet you face to face. |
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New Bohemia, VA | SongFan - 2008-03-09 5:21 PM
Whew! That was quite the dance. I'm starving. Great discussion guys. Every single point was valid. Can't wait to meet you face to face.
It may be sooner than you think. I'm coming, I hope in the fall on my to Texas. I plan on running through Memphis, I think pollolittle is close to you as well ther SongFan. Look forward to the meet.
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | Thanks Miles . . . . I look forward to seeing some new merchandize from Vision-Riders. If you wish to use the logo I created feel free to.
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LaPorte,Tx. | "Whew" that was interesting. I sure do hope the snow and winter ends soon for you folks up north......you really need to ride more! Crawford, your stuff really looks great, hope to see more in the future. "Giddy-up".  |
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Southeast, AZ United States | So can we call ourselves Vision Pilots if we want to then and then buy a cool V with wings decal to put on our Visions? There really isn't any need for anything else, except the cool Vision-Riders logo decal that Miles and Jeff are working on....I can't wait...
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Western WA | Vsion - 2008-03-09 8:00 PM
So can we call ourselves Vision Pilots if we want to then and then buy a cool V with wings decal to put on our Visions? There really isn't any need for anything else, except the cool Vision-Riders logo decal that Miles and Jeff are working on....I can't wait...
Ken
I belong to another forum devoted to the model of my old bike. This is exactly what they did. Made a patch and put it out to the members to buy or not, but there was no organization for the riders, officers, etc.
Just a bunch of folks that loved to ride and all had the same bike. Just a noobs 2 cents for what it's worth. 
Oh, and I love the 'Vision Pilots' logo!
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Brighton, TN | What size patch you guys looking for? Do you want it square or circle, etc? I got one of those fancy machines that can make a patch let me know. |
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | pollolittle - 2008-03-10 7:20 AM
What size patch you guys looking for? Do you want it square or circle, etc? I got one of those fancy machines that can make a patch let me know.
Round or square . . . . . . that's a real tough choice! I would really love to see one done and if you have the capability of doing it . . . . go for it . . . . round or square . . . . you decide. I personally would like to see it with Vision Pilot on it. Would you like me to send you an updated file. I did the logo in Photoshop.
As for size . . . . . I would think a small patch, no bigger than 2" by 2"
Edited by Crawford 2008-03-10 11:16 AM
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Memphis | Crawford, can you post one more with just Vision Pilot (no "s" )? That would probably be the one everyone wants. What are the rules as far as scanning it for personal use? I'd like to show it to a custom painter for my front fairing and also have it embroidered on a polo shirt. This applies to both the wings logo and the Vision-Riders red-line logo (JAM?). Any legal hoops? I don't want to sell anything or detract from what you guys make available.
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | SongFan - 2008-03-10 10:37 AM
Crawford, can you post one more with just Vision Pilot (no "s" )? That would probably be the one everyone wants. What are the rules as far as scanning it for personal use? I'd like to show it to a custom painter for my front fairing and also have it embroidered on a polo shirt. This applies to both the wings logo and the Vision-Riders red-line logo (JAM?). Any legal hoops? I don't want to sell anything or detract from what you guys make available.
Thanks again.
The Vision-Riders logo is a registered Trade Mark and can only be used with the permission of the owners of it. As far as the Vision Pilot logo I have no ownership of it other than I designed it. I have no objections to any members of this website using it however they might wish to. My only request is that you give me credit for the design and that you post pictures of what you do with it and if you produce a patch, pin or t-shirt from it that you send me one to. I take an extra large T.
I will post an updated logo later tonight with the "s" removed from the word Pilot.
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Brighton, TN | Sure send me an updated version. Will see what I can do. There will be no use of the VR Logo on anything I do. The two tone silver V maybe a little tricky for a new guy will see. Would you want to have your online name on it as well. |
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | pollolittle - 2008-03-10 11:18 AM
Sure send me an updated version. Will see what I can do. There will be no use of the VR Logo on anything I do. The two tone silver V maybe a little tricky for a new guy will see. Would you want to have your online name on it as well.
Yes I would imagine the the two tone V would be tricky if not impossible to do on an embroidered patch. No there is no need or desire to have my name on the patch itself, just "Vision Pilot".
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Scottsdale AZ | Crawford - This is awsooooome !- Come on Poop- get er done- I want some!
BTW - I like where most everyone is coming from and I am in that camp - I don't need another association or club with BOD etc, etc. This is running just fine thank you! having been on other forums, boards, I like the collective attitudes here without the major nonsense arguments and egos. Good bunch of guys, and gals, that just want to ride trade info and stories and RIDE THOSE VISIONS!
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Brighton, TN | Who invited the SandInTheCrevicesofNONO's to visit in here! I was doing just fine, Crawford and I have been doing a little male bonding with some chicken feathers thrown in for good measure. DJ said "I want some!" Oh, where to go from here! MUUAAAHHHH!
I don't know about the rest of you mongoloid monkey boys and girls, I'm still at work!
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Scottsdale AZ | Crawford - I have known the cknfrmtennpoop for a little longer than you - just a heads up, keep your pin #'s to yourself on all your accounts, pick up your kids at school, don't answer any personal questions from unknown phone calls, don't take a nap when gettin a hair cut. I think you get the picture. That being said, He and his drop the bike wife have a top drawr embroidry machine that we can take advantage of. Just sayin ---- |
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | DesertJim - 2008-03-10 1:07 PM
Crawford - I have known the cknfrmtennpoop for a little longer than you - just a heads up, keep your pin #'s to yourself on all your accounts, pick up your kids at school, don't answer any personal questions from unknown phone calls, don't take a nap when gettin a hair cut. I think you get the picture. That being said, He and his drop the bike wife have a top drawr embroidry machine that we can take advantage of. Just sayin ----
Thanks for the heads up DJ. I was just hoping to get a free patch!
I should be safe, although I often take a nap, it is never when I am getting a haircut.
My biggest worry is what he is planning to do with the chicken feathers. He used Bonding and Chicken Feathers in the same sentence. Ummmm!
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Brighton, TN | SandRufflesJim - You best hope my drop dead gorgeous wife doesn't get a chance to ascertain to your assumptions about what she did with my bike. I live in fear daily, you my friend, no hope for. Crawford if you happen to start bonding with this Sandy character, nocturnal and sexy in a T-shirt all wrapped up like the Secretary he is, there may not be much chance for ya. If ya still have to bond with him I still take cash, I'm not that selfish.
Thanks to the DJ - oh such a Travshamockery, already sucking up to him. I told you he was SExY in that T-shirt you must have already visited his Gallery.
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Brighton, TN | PUNKS! In old guy Speak! HUMPRHF!!!! |
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Las Vegas, Nevada USA baby! | Consensus on my part regarding the "club" aspect. A loose knit Association perhaps.
GREAT LOOKING VP LOGO!
I am a "member" of the "Broadcast Industry Motorcycle Club". We really don't exist. It is just a company that had an idea for a sticker for those of us in the "Industry". You can go to: http://markertek.com/racing.asp and all you'll see is an offer for free stickers, and a place on their website to post your bike/self picture. That is all it is for now.
I think we have a little more than that going, but the loose knit idea of just being a mental acknowlegement of "belonging" is what I think we are looking for. I too am what I also call a "lone wolf". I officially belong to American Legion Riders and have belonged for three years. I have never made a ride with the group. I like to just get my bike out and go for a ride. I don't want to have to ask permission of the group to stop for pics, or some off-route exploring, or to go pee, or get a bite etc. if it is not in the daily ride's agenda. AND, you mentioned the politics. My first year with them, I saw the group explode, and turn into two separate groups, not because of growth mind you, but because of B.S. (Baloney Stuff).
I think the old idea of a group having meetings and such is because that's how they were able to have time together etc. We have our time via this board. We can decide if we want to ride with someone that posts here or not. We can chat, share stories, pics, and get to know each other here. This site is our bond. We have our Vision-Riders logo/patch, and up-and-coming Vision Pilot logo patch to identify ourselves if we so desire. 
VARyder, I can see what you mean. I don't wear my American Legion Riders vest with all of the patches, pins etc. mostly because, well in my opinion, you see, okay I think it's a bit hokey. Sure I wear my fluorescent lime green surveyor's safety vest, but I do take that off when I get to where I am going. I don't use it to get past an identity crisis like a vest with mucho patcho.
Again, this is just my words, see, my opinion seeeee, take it or leave it!
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | Here is the updated version that drops the S of Pilot.
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