|
|
Visionary
Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA | Okay - talking out loud here. Got the battery on the trickle charge, but as soon as I hooked it, it indicated a good charge, no meter, just a green light. Went and got the dielectric grease, in 30+ years of tinkering and working on Army and civilian equipment, to include my own vehicles, I've never used this stuff that I can ever recall. When I put the battery in I'll use it, and I'm going to get some plug wires for it and use it there as well. Also, will switch out the plugs. I'm going to use the dielectrical on all the plugs to include the PCM and see if that helps. If that doesn't work, then I'll sipon the gas out, but how will I know I get all the contaminates if that is what it is? |
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 3204
Memphis | VR - You were asking about the fuel filter back around the 30,000 mile mark and found out it is not a serviceable item. Any way to get it out of the right tank and at least look at it to possibly clean it? |
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA | I'm might be totally wrong but in another discussion the filter I read, is serviced only be replacing the entire fuel pump unit, at least for the '08's. I'll be on my way shortly to get a new battery and some plug wires, one looks rather grody so I figure new wires and battery won't hurt. I'll dielectric all the connectors, plug wires and terminals and see what happens. If not, it is fuel next, but would have got it to the dealer today for the Digital Wrench, but SURPRISE! dealer not open. |
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA | The above post should have been presented about 2 hours ago, but forgot to hit the submit button.
I know there has to be a few folks that cringe everytime I post some technical or anything else for that matter. But I figure we can all learn a little something, even from the village idiot, not be confused with a village people, mind you.
Since the dealer was closed, the plug wires, battery and I have been out cruzing the town and had a great time. Did stop by Sears and got a new filter for Mr. Fridge, albeit the wrong one none the less. When I ride out to get the right filter the battery and wires will be where they belong and not in the back of the Jeep.
Okay, went looking at the Jap shop, and the Hog joint for new wires, but you know what, Victory is unique, yah! Wife unit kept telling me there is nothing wrong with the battery, why get a new one. Since she is really good at crocheting and Farmville I figured she knows what she's talking about. So I come back home and start dielectricaling all the connectors, cleaned up the battery terminals and the spark plug wires and dielectriced them as well and tightened everything down. One of the coil ends on the wire showed obvious signs of arching for awhile and figured that might have something to do with it.
So the moment of truth... same thing! Argh at this point, I think I'll become a pirate as much as I arghed today. Come to think of it, my wife unit even took a picture of me with her phone using a pirate hat overlay, but I digress as always.
Keep in mind I let this thing idle for quit a while and give it some revs to see what is going on, so over the last two days I've ran about 30 minutes or more of fuel through the engine. I piddle some more, that is what I do, piddle, hopeing the Bentley won't have to hook it down to the Victory dealer ON TUESDAY! So as I piddle I see the little ground wire for the PCM and give it a twist and it moves. Hmmmm, I say, let me check this, clean and tighten this little wire down. So I do and fire it up again, hopeing. Same thing...argh, argh. So as it is idleling I rev it a few more times and it is slowly smoothing out. Hmmmmm, and more hmmmm, has the wire fixed it and all the other dielectricalling or is the bad fuel slowly working its way out? I don't know at this point, but for a few moments in time it was running normal again. At this time I'm putting everything back together and taking it out for space trials to planet Sears to exchange my water filter.
Edited by varyder 2010-04-24 5:03 PM
|
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 1436
| Hope it is just the gas. If you can come up with a good way to remove most of the gas and then run the rest out before filling with good gas thats about the only way I can think to make sure you get all the crap out barring tank removal (BIG job, lol). Best of luck... |
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA | Digital Wrench baby... maybe Tuesday, well anyways, it'll be at the dealer I hope. ARGH. I've ran it and put Heet in it, and the way it acts to me is a misfire, not fuel problem. It'll backfire and flames shoot out the left side no less ???. It will run like a scolded dog on acceration but then buck like an ole mule at speed on throttle rest... you know, just enough throttle to keep it going. I'd go to a lower gear just to keep the throttle working, and getting in traffic with the flames shooting out I bet they thought it was all part of the show with the spacey looking bike and all. Glad it looked like rain today so there wasn't any Harley's out to see me buckin' the bronco.
Man, Tuesday will not get here fast enough, I figured as she grew older I'd be doing what think I'm getting ready do. I guess mine is like 15 years old since I don't think they expect more than 4,000 miles a year on these things. But if Vic's are as bullet proof as they say in the motor, I figure a couple of line replaceable units are where they'll make their dollar. What's the cost of a PCM, TPS, etc, etc...? ...rhetorical question people....
Edited by varyder 2010-04-24 6:59 PM
|
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 1436
| Lol, well it is at the point now when my dealer calls victory they ask how many miles I'm now up to so they'd really be scratching their heads and laughing if they were hearing your mileage. I'm gonna stick with bad gas or a bad battery. If the bikes battery is on its way out it would act as you describe and water in the gas can also cause the issues you are having. That said a trip to the dealer would be my option. Keep us posted as to what gets found and I'll keep my fingers crossed for you that it is something simple and inexpensive. |
|
| |
|
Tourer
Posts: 466
Grand Cane, LA | Sounds like you got some gas with too much ethanol in it. Some of these stations are trying to get by with more ethanol in the fuel because it is cheaper but they can still charge you the same per gallon to increase their profit. The ethanol attracts more water and will cause your fuel to have more water percentage content per gallon. Hopefully it won't anything more serious than bad gas. |
|
| |
|
Iron Butt
Posts: 741
Central New York | This is like a good novel. Now I can't wait till Tuesday. It's like we're all waiting to see if it's a boy or girl.
Sorry, don't mean to make lite of your frustration. But I couldn't resist! |
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA | it's all good, to everything there is a reason and a purpose. |
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 3006
San Antonio, TX | atvtinker - 2010-04-25 12:55 AM
Sounds like you got some gas with too much ethanol in it..........The ethanol attracts more water and will cause your fuel to have more water percentage content per gallon.
Hopefully it won't anything more serious than bad gas.
This post rings true!
Now I am going to have some Glengoyne, that has aged for 14 years in American Oak.
It is a Cask Strength (59.6%) Single Malt Whisky which traditionally requires a cut 50/50 with water.....plus it will cover up that other smell.
http://www.glengoyne.com/
2007 Rare Bottlings
14 years Single Cask 1993 (14 Years Old)
American Oak Sherry Hogshead
Wood Type: American Oak Sherry Hogshead
Cask No: 832
No. of Bottles: 296 (and one of them is mine all mine!!!!!!)
Strength at 70cl: 59.6%
Distillation Date: 12 April 1993
Bottling Date: October 2007
Approved By: Robert Hughes, Distillery Manager
Edited by radioteacher 2010-04-25 9:43 PM
|
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA | ...not the battery... at least that is eliminated... |
|
| |
|
Tourer
Posts: 367
Cottage Grove, Mn | radioteacher - 2010-04-25 8:42 PM
atvtinker - 2010-04-25 12:55 AM
Sounds like you got some gas with too much ethanol in it..........The ethanol attracts more water and will cause your fuel to have more water percentage content per gallon.
Hopefully it won't anything more serious than bad gas.
This post rings true!
Now I am going to have some Glengoyne, that has aged for 14 years in American Oak.
It is a Cask Strength (59.6%) Single Malt Whisky which traditionally requires a cut 50/50 with water.....plus it will cover up that other smell.
http://www.glengoyne.com/
2007 Rare Bottlings
14 years Single Cask 1993 (14 Years Old)
American Oak Sherry Hogshead
Wood Type: American Oak Sherry Hogshead
Cask No: 832
No. of Bottles: 296 (and one of them is mine all mine!!!!!!)
Strength at 70cl: 59.6%
Distillation Date: 12 April 1993
Bottling Date: October 2007
Approved By: Robert Hughes, Distillery Manager
Next to may Vision my true weakness Cask #6249. 2 fingers with a tablespoon of water and a good cigar.
http://www.thebalvenie.com/en-us/ourRange_currentRange_VintageCask1... |
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA | where are those cool plug wires, color, or steel brad. I want to replace the wires so I might order them. I'm getting new plugs today. Just trying process of elimination before taking it to the dealer. It actually ran a spell with no problems this morning. I shut the bike off and started it a few minutes later, and it went back into convulsions... argh, argh... |
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN | It sounds like you have greased everything including yourself. Throw some dielectric grease on the wife, just in case she may want to have a bad connection! I had a very similar problem about a year into mine. Rolling down the road and get all crazy, high revs, die out, crank back up and almost 2000 rpm, blip throttle no change, etc. If I could let the bike sit for about 5 - 10 minutes then all was good till I started going again and get a few miles down the road.
Troubleshooting found the hot wire to be very, barely loose. I mean like you could barely move the wire a quarter of an inch. But there was enough room to where you could just barely get it too move. I happen to be lucky and my broinlaw was along for the ride. When it finally quit, I had him just start pushing on the wires around the battery or anything else he could see. He managed to move the hot lead a smidge and the dash lit up and then went back out. Kept monkeying around with it till it went hot and figured it out.
If I hadn't seen it with my own two eyes, I might have not believed it. Took it home and pulled the cables off, wire brushed till I was tired and needing another beer, parts were shiny, liberal amounts of dielectric grease on the wire. Then started on the battery, another beer, battery terminals shiny, more dielectric grease. Snug the screw down till hand hurts and unable to grunt anymore, another beer, go back topside, flip the switch and haven't had a problem since.
So, was it the beer or the dieclectric grease? |
|
| |
|
Cruiser
Posts: 156
dinwiddie, va | VisionTex - 2010-04-24 12:22 PM
varyder - 2010-04-24 3:21 AM
Teach - 2010-04-23 10:22 PM
Chris, if you think it is bad gas and it very well may be, you might be better off to find a way to drain it rather than running it through the motor. If the gas doesn't seem to be the culprit you might consider the state of your battery. Hope you get it figured out asap. Let us know what you find.
the battery is another consideration, but it cranks fine and shows +14 on the meter. But it is the original....
As far as running it out, well, how do you get 6 gals out of a split tank without ripping the bike apart? My guess any damage that going to be done is done. I filled it up again before I got it home but if it is water it's going be gone. Right now the Bentley is parked...
Thanks for the input, it helps, as I move slow in these situations...
Chris, just got mine back from the service dept for the 45k service. Original battery and they tested it and said I should consider changing it out soon. So this month it is on the plan. Mine cranks fine as charges at +14, but they say it is weak.
I would siphon out the gas, just set the bike up on level on the jack, that way the left tank will siphon out. I would not run it dry as that may damage the fuel pump, a new fuel pump it $300+ if you install yourself. Good luck on this issue. Hope you find it soon and get back on the road.
Hey Tex
I would hang on to that battery. Sounds like someone is trying to get you to buy a battery. My bet is that they just got a fancy high tech battery tester just like all the other dealers and it will give a printout stating the battery condition. I have customers with original batteries in 2003 models. I highly doubt your battery is "weak." Don't change it till it gives you a reason too, they ain't cheap
Edited by nightvision 2010-04-27 10:19 PM
|
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 1436
| varyder, any resolution yet? |
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 1436
| Fixed yet? |
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA | nothing to disclose at this time..... |
|
| |
|
Cruiser
Posts: 68
Cabot Arkansas | i had a harley in my past that the positive wire got water in the terminal end and corroded the wire to the point that it feel appart(only took 2 years of riding) you might have already checked this but its worth a look. |
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA | thanks. determination made, will share when I'm back in the saddle. |
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN | hmmmm, still not riding, how ODD! |
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA | pollolittle - 2010-05-02 12:51 AM
hmmmm, still not riding, how ODD!
one reason not to ride: Bike broke... and that is the odd... |
|
| |
|
Iron Butt
Posts: 741
Central New York | That's gotta be like being sent to your room without supper! |
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA | glighto11 - 2010-05-02 10:07 AM
That's gotta be like being sent to your room without supper!
it's all good, it's all good, it's all good (so I tell myself). |
|
| |
Flame out on I-95
