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Mount Vernon, WA United States | As the trip to the AVR was 1680 miles, I logged it just in case I qualified for the Saddlesore 1000 or 1500. I would likely have qualified with less gas stops. Only missed by a few hours the whole trip. I certainly would have done it on a Vision, but I just had to stop too often on the V92C. My routine is to alternate between gas'n go and gas'n 15-20 minute break at each gas-up... and do that for 14+ hours depending on my mood. Basically about 800-900 miles per day. |
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Cabot Arkansas | golfer - 2009-08-21 12:46 PM
Miles - 2009-08-21 12:00 PM
Just for the record... the tanks from victory, to me... make NO SENSE WHATSOEVER !!!!
Ok... my "cruiser" has a 5 gallon tank. Ok... fine.. I suffered on the trip to AVR where I measured time in gas stops. These bikes are made near a route where there can easily be more than 50 miles between gas stations. That means never going below 1 gallon in the tank or you could be walking. I stalled pulling into stations twice last weekend.
Moto Guzzi Norge = 6 Gal tank, 50+ MPG
BMW 1300 = 6.3 gal tank, 60+ MPG
Goldwing = 6.6 gal tank, 50+ MPG
New Cross Country and Cross Roads.... 5.8 gal tank, 50 mpg ????
Vision = 6 Gal tank, 40-ish mpg ????
The biggest, heaviest, most powerful bikes designed for touring.... with the smallest tanks... I just don't get it.
I don't agree with the above gas mileages, especially the Goldwing. Speed for speed I would wager the Vision is the same as the Goldwing. That is to say, if a Wing and a Vision rode side by side on the highway, the mileage would be almost the same. I have asked a few Wing riders about their gas mileage and all said 30's to 40's depending on speed...As a better comparison, put a Vision against an Ultra. The Vision will keep going long after the Ultra has run out of gas. Especially at 85 mph +....My Vision gets anywhere between 32 and 50+ mpg. That means worst case scenario I go 192 miles without needing gas. And that would be going about 110 mph average to suck that much fuel....If I needed to go far between stops and set the cruise on 70 mph, I could probably go 250 + miles....Any of those distances are very admirable for a motorcycle....Sure, I would love a 10 gallon tank, don't get me wrong. I would also like side bags twice the size of the current ones. I would even like racks for the outside of the side bags so I could strap stuff there as well.
But to your logic in having a "cruiser" with 5 gallons and a "dresser" with 6.....Yes, it is kinda weird...But I guess they can only fit what they can fit. And I bet the bigger driver on what size that fuel tank is would be dictated by the "average" riders stopping habits. I go until I am going to run out of fuel, but I am rare...I bet 75% of riders stop more frequently than they actually need to, just due to wanting to stop. So Victory as well as all the other manu's look at it from that perspective. They are satisfying most of the people, while making it easier to design while still keeping looks in the picture....Dang I would love a 10 gallon tank though!
Man my Vision must be jacked cause I never get more than 36-37 mpg on our 4000 mile trip to the AVR last week with an average speed of 65 mph I averaged 33.45 mpg my wife averaged 39.8 mpg on her Vision .Hers is stock mine has Ness Big Honkers Big Sucker and Big Shot(I guess all that BIG $hit equals BIG GAS BILLS)My lcd readout showed an 40.5 mpg average WAY off from the real world numbers.So I guess I need Llyods cams so I can pickup a couple miles per gallon  On a side note I just sold my 06 Goldwing and the mpg on it was almost identical to what I get on my Vision.You guys getting 40+ mpg must drive like my grandma  |
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Mount Vernon, WA United States | Maybe we should do a poll of "Actual" gas mileage. I got my numbers above from what I read and what people told me. I just assumed (yeah I know) that the readings were based on filling up the exact same way every time and logging the odometer readings. Even that's not "perfect" but it's as close as one can get. The "mpg" guages... that's an average based on calculations, and not very accurate unless your driving is very consistent, on consistent terrain. Interesting stuff.
So Maverick, based on your experience, a Vision which is at least double the comfort (all around) than my V92C, is only gonna let me go 30-40 more miles between stops? I'm not sure that makes me happy at all. However, it certainly adds insight into my Cross vs Vision conversation in trying to decide to go with a Cross bike, or just get a Vision. |
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New Bohemia, VA | mine has been run around 41 lately on the daily comute of 62 miles round trip. |
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Cabot Arkansas | Miles - 2009-08-21 2:53 PM
Maybe we should do a poll of "Actual" gas mileage. I got my numbers above from what I read and what people told me. I just assumed (yeah I know) that the readings were based on filling up the exact same way every time and logging the odometer readings. Even that's not "perfect" but it's as close as one can get. The "mpg" guages... that's an average based on calculations, and not very accurate unless your driving is very consistent, on consistent terrain. Interesting stuff.
So Maverick, based on your experience, a Vision which is at least double the comfort (all around) than my V92C, is only gonna let me go 30-40 more miles between stops? I'm not sure that makes me happy at all. However, it certainly adds insight into my Cross vs Vision conversation in trying to decide to go with a Cross bike, or just get a Vision. |
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Cabot Arkansas | I'll try again my reply got lost somewhere
EVERYONE gets better mpg than me I just have to accept it |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | I check gas milage religously on every vehicle I have ever owned. I have always done this since the first car I owned. That's how I can tell when something is going wrong. My 08 Vision regularly gets 42 MPG. When I worked further in the city, I got 40 MPG. The worst I have ever calculated is 38. I am thoroughly impressed with the gas milage. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Maverick - 2009-08-21 5:40 PM
I'll try again my reply got lost somewhere
EVERYONE gets better mpg than me I just have to accept it
mine was getting 34-36 or something like that during the winter when i first got it. I didn't get better gas mileage until the spring and when I got some miles on it. tops is 42mpg for me at the moment, and that is straight highway miles, around 65 - 70+mph.
also, i think my hot off the line everytime style was killing my mileage...
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Scottsdale AZ | I just did a 1900 mi trip from PHX to Colo and was right at 48 mpg, at 75-85 and that is consistent with all rides here in AZ. I talked to some bikers along the way that were from Ill and they got better gas mileage out West. Must be difference in gasoline content???
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Memphis | I'd bet altitude is a big factor. The Vision loves higher elevations like the high desert. When VisionTex and I rode Big Bend we were averaging 51-53mpg and we didn't drive like anyone's grandma. Felt like the bikes were making gas, it was awesome. As I left the 5-6000' of Alpine, TX and started drifting back towards sea level my mileage dropped until it reached my Memphis norm of 40-42mpg. We both have S1/L1. |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | I put 5.7 gals in mine after riding over 50 miles with the low fuel message showing on the dash. I'm glad the bike has plenty of reserve after the indicators turn on. They saved me many times. I get in a comfortable state of mind when cruising the open road and forget to look at the gas gauge. When I finally notice the light/message I have no idea how long it has been on. I'm thankful for the large reserve and the fact there is still 1/2 gal in the tank when the gas needle is pocking me in the knee. It gives me the warm and fuzzy feeling that I will not run out of gas no matter how oblivious I am to the instrument panel. |
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| varyder - 2009-08-21 1:31 PM
having been around the iron butt-ers on there was one wing who a fuel pod on the pillion. i might not like the idea of being surrounded by that much fuel, but he could run a good distance as it looked to be about a 4 gallon giddyup. he also had his hydration system too as well. golfer could say it better than i could, well, my two year grandbaby could say it better, but that was for the most point i was making on the trade offs. anyone really wanting to spend more than an hour on a motorcycle is a rare breed, two hours you're tough, three, you're an iron man to most. I'd rather sit on my vision toolin' down the highway than on my living room couch.
I did a thread last year on thevmc about a ride I did on my Vision...It has been over a year but my memory is telling me the following stats about the ride:
5 hours + on the bike without stopping except for about 3 traffic lights.
257 miles without gas/stopping.
It was just a hair under 50 mpg, and I still had 3/4 gallon left in the bike (which pissed me off because I could have gone further).
This was with stage 1 and nothing else done yet on the way back from getting stage 1 in a different state. I decided to ride for fuel economy and see what I could do....The above was pretty cool, but will never do it again as I was riding to slow! I was laying on the bike, sitting in the backseat, had my feet up over the handlbars, etc.....I could have done better on the gas mileage but on certain stretches of highway I just couldn't stand it....
what was my point? Oh yea..........Long hours on a bike don't bother me, but I am an exception, not a rule...
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New Bohemia, VA | golfer, i keep rolling in my head to do a rt 50 ride or or a route similar where the speed limit is not over 55 and goes through the little towns at a crawl. I'd like to test the 250 mile since the best i've done is 220 in one sitting which would have been roughly 3 1/2 hours. I'd like to ride longer but then I cheat my body of the necessary hydration and purgings that keep you from falling apart...
the night i stopped in memphis after riding 900 miles in 19 hours in 40 degree temps, i nearly passed out from exhaustion when i got out of the saddle. even though while i was in the saddle i felt fine.
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| varyder - 2009-08-26 2:09 PM
golfer, i keep rolling in my head to do a rt 50 ride or or a route similar where the speed limit is not over 55 and goes through the little towns at a crawl. I'd like to test the 250 mile since the best i've done is 220 in one sitting which would have been roughly 3 1/2 hours. I'd like to ride longer but then I cheat my body of the necessary hydration and purgings that keep you from falling apart...
the night i stopped in memphis after riding 900 miles in 19 hours in 40 degree temps, i nearly passed out from exhaustion when i got out of the saddle. even though while i was in the saddle i felt fine.
My hardest core ride was to Cherokee last year. Went to work at 8:30 a.m., got out at 5:00 p.m., then rode down to meet up with others. Then rode until 10:00 the next morning, all without sleep....That sucked....I was up for about 28 hours straight with an overnight 850 mile ride....
The second worst was this year coming back from Cherokee in April...15 hours straight in rain and 65 to 45 degrees.....Within an hour of getting home it started snowing at my house. 15 hours in rain varying from light to BAD really takes alot out of a person! I did 950 miles back from Helen, GA this year and that was not a big deal....Add rain to it and it changes the whole thing.
Third was riding my Vision home from purchase....400 miles in 38 degrees and hard rain....That REALLY sucked but it was only 7 hours of riding.....Thank you for heated grips and seat, and almost all the proper gear....My rain pants I had with me had a hole in the crotch. 
I think the 1500 in 24 hours is stupid, but I could do it provided there was no rain....I can take cold, I can take hot, I can take rain.....But rain is the one thing that limits my long distance stamina on the bike.
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Mount Vernon, WA United States | The saddlesoar is 1500 in 36 hours... It's actually a pleasant pace, no need for speeding, can even work in a hotel stop. Just FWIW.. |
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Mount Vernon, WA United States | JMHO the Vision seems to be the perfect touring machine. While other brands may shine in certain area's... overall.. the Vision has it all and has really begun to redefine motorcycle touring.
I like to travel. My choice of Bike, Car, RV is dependent on my convenience. My decision to ride to the AVR was that is was simply cheaper and more convenient than flying or driving one of my other vehicles. I think the technology is there to make riding a motorcycle as comparably comfortable, convenient and affordable as anything else with wheels, and the Vision is the closest out there.
I sure hope some of the rumored "improvements" to the Vision happen. Larger bags like on on the X-bikes, and maybe a little more fuel in the tank... I can't think of anything else.
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New Bohemia, VA | Miles - 2009-08-27 2:05 PM
The saddlesoar is 1500 in 36 hours... It's actually a pleasant pace, no need for speeding, can even work in a hotel stop. Just FWIW..
super bun burner is 24 hours transversing 1,500 miles. the bun burner is 1,500 in 36 |
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| varyder - 2009-08-27 1:16 PM
Miles - 2009-08-27 2:05 PM
The saddlesoar is 1500 in 36 hours... It's actually a pleasant pace, no need for speeding, can even work in a hotel stop. Just FWIW..
super bun burner is 24 hours transversing 1,500 miles. the bun burner is 1,500 in 36
You guys are both wrong....
Saddlesore = 1,000 in 24 hours (easy)
Bunburner = 1,500 in 36 hours (easy)
Bunburner Gold = 1,500 in 24 hours (insane)
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| Bunburner Gold 3000 (BBG3000)
This is impossible to be completed without severe risks.....
Back to back 1,500 miles in under 24 hours.....That is to say, 3,000 miles in 48 hours or less.....Or averaging 62.5 mph for 48 hours straight. That is averaging 62.5 mph including gas, food and sleep stops!!!!! CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mount Vernon, WA United States | Sorry I was mixing up the program names... However, I totally agree...
Saddlesore = 1,000 in 24 hours (easy)
Bunburner = 1,500 in 36 hours (easy)
Bunburner Gold = 1,500 in 24 hours (insane)
The only thing I will add is I feel the BunBurner 1500 is actually easier than the Saddlesore 1000 because you can actually get a nice nap in on the Bunburner, even stay at a hotel. My aspirations for either of these was an afterthought... I was already planning on 1680 miles in 34 hours. That was how my trip plotted out. Seemed silly to not log the trip as I was going to meet the terms anyway. As it turned out the combination of a minor weather issue, and screwed up hotel registration, and what appears to be a MAP Sensor failure causing me to make a few more gas stops than necessary had me miss it by a few hours.... both directions...
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North Orange County CA | Miles - 2009-08-21 10:00 AM
Just for the record... the tanks from victory, to me... make NO SENSE WHATSOEVER !!!!
Ok... my "cruiser" has a 5 gallon tank. Ok... fine.. I suffered on the trip to AVR where I measured time in gas stops. These bikes are made near a route where there can easily be more than 50 miles between gas stations. That means never going below 1 gallon in the tank or you could be walking. I stalled pulling into stations twice last weekend.
Moto Guzzi Norge = 6 Gal tank, 50+ MPG
BMW 1300 = 6.3 gal tank, 60+ MPG
Goldwing = 6.6 gal tank, 50+ MPG
New Cross Country and Cross Roads.... 5.8 gal tank, 50 mpg ????
Vision = 6 Gal tank, 40-ish mpg ????
The biggest, heaviest, most powerful bikes designed for touring.... with the smallest tanks... I just don't get it.
I was on the S&S website reading up on the 2009 California compliant x-wedge engine and it appears that no motorcycle meets current California (CARB) requirements unless it has a liquid fuel capacity no larger than 5 gallons. Since most manufacturers will probably not want to stock multiple sizes of fuel tanks just to meet the 50 state requirements, the future of motorcycle touring appears to include an increase in the number of fuel stops. |
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New Bohemia, VA | golfer - 2009-08-27 3:29 PM
varyder - 2009-08-27 1:16 PM
Miles - 2009-08-27 2:05 PM
The saddlesoar is 1500 in 36 hours... It's actually a pleasant pace, no need for speeding, can even work in a hotel stop. Just FWIW..
super bun burner is 24 hours transversing 1,500 miles. the bun burner is 1,500 in 36
You guys are both wrong....
Saddlesore = 1,000 in 24 hours (easy)
Bunburner = 1,500 in 36 hours (easy)
Bunburner Gold = 1,500 in 24 hours (insane)
yeah, that's what I said, I called it Super though, oops, Super, Gold is still a trek...
It's really no problem doing a 1,000 miles in 24 hrs, it just calls for quick stops.
When me and the other guy did the 1,036 in 15 hours we were on tarket for the 1,500 in 24 hours easily, with a couple hours to spare if we would have kept our pace. The hard part is not riding, well if you're not riding a Vision, the hard part is the stops. They are the biggest time eaters. you must only fuel, purge and eat or drink as you move around the stop. more than 10 minutes you're wasting time.
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| Best I have done is 1200 miles in 19 hrs. I have done the saddle sores and bun burners...next want to get the 2000 in 48 hrs. I was almost there last summer but reached Denver about 11pm and at about 1800 miles. Didn't feel like hitting the Rockies for 200 miles and then searching for a room. My 16 year old daughter was on the back and she is a real trooper! |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | Did BBG 1500+ miles in 23 hours and 56 minutes last year. It was awesome and HARD!  |
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Gas Tank capacity question.
