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Florida | I think the two oils are exactly the same except for their base oil. |
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LaPorte Indiana | I have been using the shell Rotella synthetic on my last two changes. I find that the oil feels real good for about 1000 to 1500 miles. After that the shifting starts to go... I kinda like knowing that I can pick it up any where. And it is only $20.00 a gallon... But at this time I think I will be moving back to Vic oil on my next change. (8,000 miles on bike)... |
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Iron Butt
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Western WA | golfer - 2009-08-18 10:13 AM
Just run Rotella and be done with it....Too funny!!!!
+1 on the Rotella. Used it exclusively on the last bike for 30 k with no problems. Now I'm running it on the Vision. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | Ahhh, the oil thread lives on. But it gives me a minute to chime in. I ran Victory oil for the last two oil changes and have listened to chatter, chatter for the last 700 miles or so on the run. I just went back to amsoil, and I'm staying full syn for now on and the engine is so much quieter and smoother shifting, not just because it is a fresh oil change, it is different. I've also gone to using the fram oil filter 7317, instead of the supertech one this time around, I'm not sure why other than I've always used fram and found the one that fits. I need to spray it black as they are orange.
anyway, the other thing I noticed by eye sight only is that the after 3,000 miles using the supertech filter the oil appeared cleaner. the old oil seemed to be more translucent than when I used the Victory filter. Maybe it is just my imagination, but i won't be going back unless it is a necessary thing. just me.
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Cabot Arkansas | Breaker - 2009-08-25 10:50 AM
golfer - 2009-08-18 10:13 AM
Just run Rotella and be done with it....Too funny!!!!
+1 on the Rotella. Used it exclusively on the last bike for 30 k with no problems. Now I'm running it on the Vision.
Yeah but doesn't the Rotella void the extended warranty |
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New Bohemia, VA | Maverick - 2009-08-25 1:15 PM
Breaker - 2009-08-25 10:50 AM
golfer - 2009-08-18 10:13 AM
Just run Rotella and be done with it....Too funny!!!!
+1 on the Rotella. Used it exclusively on the last bike for 30 k with no problems. Now I'm running it on the Vision.
Yeah but doesn't the Rotella void the extended warranty
Why? If it is a JASO rated oil for the application it has nothing to do with the warranty. I even had another Victory dealer wrench tell me that folks make too much out of the oil and the warranty deal.
I just have to ask where are all these engines that get blown apart because they use a different, yet properly rated oil? folks are racking up hundreds of thousands of miles on other than Vic oil and they are trouble free.
to have some tell it, BEWARE if you use other than Vic oil you're doomed. 35 years of working on and around engines that logic has never made sense to me and is based on isolated incidents when all conditions are not taken into consideration. But it gets blamed on the oil.
the only thing is make sure it is in line with the ratings for your application. |
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, IA | Rotella does it come in a 20-50 weight |
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Iron Butt
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Western WA | sonicbluerider - 2009-08-26 3:52 AM
Rotella does it come in a 20-50 weight
It's 5W-40 |
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, IA | geee i though vic's used 20-50 |
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New Bohemia, VA | 20-40 i thought? |
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Iron Butt
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Western WA | Yep, the book calls for 20W - 40.
The Rotella runs the same viscosity (40) at the 100 Celsius mark.
Grabbed this off of a 'viscosity explained' site:
"When you see a W on a viscosity rating it means that this oil viscosity has been tested at a Colder temperature. The numbers without the W are all tested at 210° F or 100° C which is considered an approximation of engine operating temperature. In other words, a SAE 30 motor oil is the same viscosity as a 10w-30 or 5W-30 at 210° (100° C). The difference is when the viscosity is tested at a much colder temperature. For example, a 5W-30 motor oil performs like a SAE 5 motor oil would perform at the cold temperature specified, but still has the SAE 30 viscosity at 210° F (100° C) which is engine operating temperature. This allows the engine to get quick oil flow when it is started cold verses dry running until lubricant either warms up sufficiently or is finally forced through the engine oil system. The advantages of a low W viscosity number is obvious. The quicker the oil flows cold, the less dry running. Less dry running means much less engine wear."
And now I promise to stay away from oil threads. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Salt lake city Ut. | kevinx - 2009-08-09 7:38 AM
cjnoho - 2009-08-08 9:01 PM
Victory may be doing well but not well enough to own their own oil co. SOMEONE is making their oil for them. .
All Polaris oils including Victory are made by a company called Lube Tech. This is the very same company that makes Mobile1 synthetic
How did you find that information? |
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Puddle Jumper
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Salt lake city Ut. | Kevin
I am interested in how you know mobil 1 oil is made by lubetech. as you said polaris/ Victory oil is made by lube tech and I am very sure of that fact but where did the mobil one connection come from? There are many good oils availible for Victory applications but I have never heard of that connection.
Not Lubetech!
ExxonMobil is the world's largest publicly traded international oil and gas company. We hold an industry-leading inventory of global oil and gas resources. We are the world's largest refiner and marketer of petroleum products. And our chemical company ranks among the world's largest. But we are also a technology company, applying science and innovation to find better, safer and cleaner ways to deliver the energy the world needs.
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Puddle Jumper
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Salt lake city Ut. | No answer? because its not true. lets just enjoy the ride and say what we know not what we????? |
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Memphis,Tn. | There's no refinery listed For Lube Tech in my annual Lubes & Greases magazine supplement. Looks like they are a blender or possibly a repackage outsource. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Side Car - 2009-08-30 8:58 PM
No answer? because its not true. lets just enjoy the ride and say what we know not what we?????
No answer because I had not looked at this thread. All you have to do is go to Lube Tech's site, and you will be able to find out all about them. [I guess you would find that as difficult as proof reading the crap you type. ]Then you will find that your assumption is wrong. Don't bother apologising though as it is plainly obvious that you are an ignorant fuck that speaks before he thinks. In the future you might try checking facts for your own lazy ass instead of calling people liars.
Here is a link
http://www.lube-tech.com/
Though they have changed their site a little. You can still click on automotive, and you will note that the first private label oil they list is MOBIL. I guess that should be enough hand holding to get you there
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | TopFuel - 2009-08-31 6:15 AM
There's no refinery listed For Lube Tech in my annual Lubes & Greases magazine supplement. Looks like they are a blender or possibly a repackage outsource.
You are correct. They are a blender |
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Tavares, Fl | Anyone know who blends the oil for Victory????? |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | rlreed - 2009-08-31 8:00 AM
Anyone know who blends the oil for Victory?????
That would be Lube Tech as stated earlier in the thread |
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Mount Vernon, WA United States | joe schmoe - 2009-08-07 7:11 AM
This is NOT AN OIL DEBATE question, I AM going to change to Mobil 1 oil when I hit 2500 miles, my question is; Should I run Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W40 or Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50????
I am leaning towards the 10W40 as it has better cold temp properties....What do you think???
I would run the V-Twin oil 20W-50. I run Amsoil, motorcycle 20W-50 and have used Mobil 1 in a pinch on other vehicles. I've been running Amsoil since the 70's on most everything I have owned, but that wasn't the question.  |
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New Bohemia, VA | Miles you must have a big junk yard out back from running amsoil since the '70's. don't you know that stuff is bad for motors...
sorry, there i go again. but i do concur, make sure the stuff is made for your application, i.e. wet clutch. |
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Memphis,Tn. | I checked the Lube Tech website and it looks like they do blend some of their own private label Lube Tech products in house.
I called them at 651-636-7990 and talked to Kerry in sales. They are a distributor for Mobil brand lubricants. However, they do not manufacture or blend Mobil Products under license for Exxon/Mobil. Distribution for resale only.
I would have been surprised if the ExMo tribologists had given control their product formulary to an aftermarket distributor. Not taking sides here, just interested in who's really making the Victory label base oil and specing their add pack. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | TopFuel - 2009-08-31 1:18 PM
I checked the Lube Tech website and it looks like they do blend some of their own private label Lube Tech products in house.
I called them at 651-636-7990 and talked to Kerry in sales. They are a distributor for Mobil brand lubricants. However, they do not manufacture or blend Mobil Products under license for Exxon/Mobil. Distribution for resale only.
I would have been surprised if the ExMo tribologists had given control their product formulary to an aftermarket distributor. Not taking sides here, just interested in who's really making the Victory label base oil and specing their add pack.
Thank you for the research. The old site that lube tech had showed Mobile1 containers all over the place, and the fact that they state that they do private label for Mobil certainly does insinuate that they are the blenders of M1 oils. In fact if you look at the pix used on the current site you can see them pouring from a M1 container
Regardless. If they are distributors of Mobile products including M1 oil. It is like I said. Vic could have gotten the same product, but chose instead to blend it's own oil
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Memphis,Tn. | Kevinx, have you seen any clutch issues with your customers using Red Line oils? Thanks for hanging in here with us. Great to have a Victory tech here willing to share his knowledge.
I've never tried Red Line's powersports products. Automotive only and 95% of that has been in turbocharged applications. I've noticed the Amsoil motorcycle white papers never include Red Line oils in their testing. Amsoil claims it's because Red Line is a boutique blender without enough market share. They do test Motul, Bel-Ray, Spectro, Torco and Maxima - which to me are the epitimy of boutique oils. Makes me wonder when Red line is probably moving 10 times the product volume compared to for instance our Polaris branded lubes.
I just love a good oil thread. (My mother is so ashamed of me...) |
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