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New Bohemia, VA | My few penny's worth. The internet is free range and though it is good for JAM and Miles to know that someone is frustrated, it is third-party heresay unless you made the complaint. People complain all the time even when things are going good, so I know they have taken it with a grain of salt any negativity that may come around. Any and all of us could make use of the free tools and sites on the internet and start our very own Vision, or other topic related site in just a few short minutes, but would you be willing to keep it up. I'm grateful for the effort that J & M has put into this site and I'm a T-shirt holder from an article posted. I shouldn't be so cheap and actually buy something to support them, since I'm not really a good source of entertainment. So when some leave a site, others join in, and so goes the cycle. As far as poor performance, I some how came across a site where the guy was bashing harleys, from straight out saying how bad they were to a joke section. The sad part about this site is that it was full of broken links and out of date stuff. So I emailed the guy and pointed out though his site bashed a bike, his site was no better because it was falling apart itself. He kindly emails me back with a boat load of insults on my maturity and intelligence and gave excuse of how he had so much more important things to do like spend time with his family. I responded one last time telling him that it was good he changed his priorities to taking care of his family and wished him well. His site is now devoted soley to skateboarding or something like that. I had to tell that story, one for the intent, and two, it takes lots and lots of time to keep up a site and the internet is scattered with dead sites everywhere. It is a plus when you find one that is actually being maintain in spite of circumstances beyond ones control that can pop up at anytime. |
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Colorado | Nicely stated.. |
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Buffalo Grove,Ill | I dont see any reason to leave a site for another. Im a large contributor in another Victory site, and yet i do still come here to "browse"
There is no law where it says you have to belong to one site only. Diversity is the spice of life so explore ! We are all victory enthusiasts and thats the bottom line. If we can gain Information from another site and bring it to life in a different one, everyone wins.
Dean |
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Hartland, , WI | Leaving this site...not me. Someone(s)...not me...is putting time and energy into this site (free) just because and I'm gonna complain....only when those darn monkeys start flying out my A$$.
Yeh, the site was down for a while but I knew Jeff & Miles weren't happy about that either and would get it up as soon as they could...they got other lifes too.
I like the specific questions about my bike that come up on this site and tend to read the ones that catch my eye. I really like the Victory-Riders website to that Jeff has at the top of this site...I wish more people went to that one too and gave input. Like Jeff said, that site is more about the people than the bike so I get more bike info here from the "crew".
However; I really like hearing about ride stories and where people went and what the did and the great roads they were on, etc. so the other site would be perfect for that if there were more than 58 Vision participants on that site vs. 1149 here...to give you some perspective on the interest of these two site.
Can't wait to meet you too Jeff....and Miles...thanks for the time and effort you put in this site. |
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Iron Butt
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Richmond, Virginia | You abanding ship mice, consider the loses to you.
1. You will no longer have the prividege of hearing what fantastic gift I recieve every other week from Victory. Why just this week, I received a case of Victory tissues, WITH ALOE ! Granted I am somewhat put off that the fragrance is that of motor oil, but it was
packaged in a Victory Limited Edition tissue case.
2. You will no longer get to hear about the fantastic new piece of chrome i added to my bling bling Vision.
3. The loss of reading my weekly rants over some of the silly topics on here that are typed with the most sincere of concern....
(ie, "Who has a scratch on their headlight cover" LETS TAKE A SILLY POLL),, oh crap wait, that was my post nevermind.
4. You will forever lose the pleasure of reading some unknown bastard on here mistaking my obvious trained sense of humor for being
sincere and honest....
5. Did i mention all the gifts I get??? oh yeah, refer to item # 1.
6. Not that its all about me, but are you R E A L L Y ready to give up the joy of counting the typos, misspellings, inaccuracies of the
English Language to the degree that some posts have nothing to do with their very own subject matter???? Shall i refresh your memories on a few examples "My new Vigtory" ..translation I just picked up my new Victory Vision Streek = Street
Touerer= Tour'r= Tourer just to name a few of my personal favorites.
7. You will miss the monthly reminders from CERTAIN site members forcing me to revisit the humilating "diarrhea cruise" i endured in
January.
8. and lastly, YEAH, it IS all about ME ! If you leave here you wont get to hear anymore about ME ME ME ME friggen ME.
IF THATS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE YOU STAY, AND PUT AWAY YOUR PETTY GRIPES ABOUT SPEED, AND KEYSTROKES, WELL THEN.....
TAKE YOUR ASS TO THE HARLEY WEBSITE, CAUSE THATS PROBABLY BROKEN ALL THE TIME TOO... there, i said it, now i feel
all better. now get your asses back to the site. VaParadox said so.
Edited by VaParadox 2009-04-08 11:32 PM
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Dale, Indiana | On one trucking posting board that I have been on for at least 10 years. I hear 4 times a year the place is going to hell in a hand basket or IT'S GOING TO FAIL.
All the other trucking posting boards have folks saying the same thing FOR 10 YEARS NOW.
I have found the Internet is filled with professional expert malcontents. They express much opinions about everything but know very little and predict nothing that comes true.
ME?
I knows nothing and I don't care!
If some website or posting board goes by the wayside another will take it place.
As for as server problems.
Server problems have killed many boards and websites.
Edited by Indiana RoadRunner 2009-04-08 11:43 PM
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Dale, Indiana | I do have one big complaint.
In the early days of this board I could click on this board and read all the new posts from the past week in just a few minutes.
The past several months the place has grown and gained a lot of posters.
NOW I have to spend sometimes better then an hour to read all the new posts (and I don't read them all ). Plus, I had to built my Favorites files much bigger to add all those links for the cool products and ideas folks post on this board.
Plus, the Motivational Posters thread has so many nice looking girls …. I mean bikes.. I mean cool posters on it.
I really like the blond bikes .. I mean cherry colored bikes.
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Puddle Jumper
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Springfield, MO | While I agree with some of the jabs about Vision-Riders not being a perfect site, I want to give praise when it is due. Unless I am dreaming today, all of a sudden Vision-Riders is automatically updating the recent forums on the home page instead of being static. I don't think I have lost my mind completely so I wanted to give a big ataboy for this nice improvement. Maybe I missed it before, but seems to be new to me.
The price of Vision-Riders is the best and I have gained much knowledge from this site. Thanks for doing your best to keep it going and make it better! |
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San Antonio, TX | Jeff and Miles,
Like many out there in today's economy my job is high pressure and long hours. That's OK with me because I would not trade my job for any other, I love it. What keeps me going is family, music, radios, and riding.
Vision-Riders.com is great because the group here does things and works, for the most part, with a positive outlook to solve issues that they or others are having. Most posts are a team effort.
I like being part of that team. I have read almost every post that is on the site and can usually recall enough information about a topic to find related posts pretty quickly and help out.
I am not going to hide the fact that I was not happy to find the site down for an extended period. One starts to wonder, what posts are going to get lost this time. When will it be back? Will it ever be back?
Reading and posting is how I take a break from work. So I went to thevmc.com and read and posted. Going to thevmc.com is rare for me, once every few weeks or so. I try to check this site three or four times a day.
Hosting can be a pain. We host a lot of systems in-house. I provide everything but the content. We run a small shop and all of us have to wear many hats.
I do try to support the site and own some shirts. I never said that I was leaving the site. That would be stupid because there are some great people here. But like you guys I do get frustrated.
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Mount Vernon, WA United States | mwspoon. The Latest Posts has always been dynamic. Sometimes it doesn't look that way cause active threads stay in the same position lots of times, but if you notice the author and link change.
If you are familiar with RSS Readers, and PROMISE not to tell anyone (tee hee) there is an RSS Feed that is updated anytime anyone posts. http://www.vision-riders.com/rss.xml It's something I have been testing for awhile, so if you promise to just keep it between you and me... feel free to link to it with your reader. 
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | I ain't going anywhere else. Back in February I wrote a thread on VOG site - just asking Vision owners/prospects if they knew about this site. Here is the first response I got:
" I've been surfing these sites since I got my Vision in Nov and have never registered or posted on any of them. When I saw this post I decided to sign up so that I could add a comment.
I've been to the other site many times and it's too slow for me. Sometimes it takes almost a minute to go to a page when I click on it. This site is much faster and has a lot more photos and videos. It was the videos on this site that got me looking at Victorys. I don't think its right for you to come on one site to try to drum up business for another. Maybe theres a reason more people come here than there. Did you ever think about that? Its not right that you are raiding this site and they should kick you off. " So this guy joins VOG just to bitch at me for talking about another site. Well, ya know - I haven't spent much time on that site since. About the only thing most of us agree on - is that the Vision is our kind of machine. Everything else is - well ... INTERESTING. So - I put up with the 'slowness' and occasional down time - because - thanks to Miles and Jeff ,and all you others who contribute your thoughts, ideas and desires - this is where I come to learn and occasionally be amused. And it can only get better!!!  |
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Saratoga NY area | I do want to point out that this forum is VERY GOOD for advice and members. I am very appreciative of the forum owners. this site has a minor gliche and I am sure it will be fixed. Can you fix the weather while your at it?..I need some good rifing weather. |
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Saratoga NY area | RIDING WEATHER.....not rifing weather. |
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New Bohemia, VA | aaaaaahhhhhhhh, the passion! |
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, IA | well be here for the duration |
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Puddle Jumper
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CASHTON, WI United States | leaving??? he$$ no!!
when the site was down i missed you guys........ cold weather and no vision-riders!! the worst situation!!
thank everyone who is involved with this site!
and thank you to the members, for you are the most valuable part of this site..........
geee you guys are great!
always ride safe
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Belding Michigan | I like the site and the people, both those who run it and those who post on it. Nothig is perfect except maybe some of the people who are legends in their own mind. I am here for the duration and I hope I can listen to many more whines and maybe offer some cheese in return.
Till then this post maybe be over as it seems everytime I post the thread dies. Have a great day. Archie |
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Simi Valley, CA | The more time away from work reading about Visions... on every site available, the happier I am!~
Tim
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shakopee , Mn | I know we had this same so called discussion on the VMC a couple of years ago.
My Hats off to the moderators/owners of this site. You have my admiration.
I wouldn't have the patience to deal with the pissing and moaning. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | And 'vicguy' - you HAPPILY share it (the road) with all the others who are there with you, RIGHT???? |
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Iron Butt
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Northeast Ohio | Just gave $50. Come on Vision Riders, don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution. |
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San Antonio, TX | ScoreBo,
I have re-read this thread and others. If Jeff and Miles need money to fix the problems, all they have to do have a fund drive and ask for it. I need things laid out for me like...."We need X number of dollars to fix the site (or move the hosting) and keep it running smoothly for the next 12 months."
I would gladly help out with a request like that.
Fund Drives for sites I understand and would help. To me a fund drive is like a girl on an "out of gas scooter" on the side of the road.
What I am hearing is they have a hosting problem. Unless the host company gets it together or they move hosting, nothing will change. I am sure that the hosting issues are more of a pain to them then they are to us. We only post messages, they manage everything else.
I have bought two shirts and some stickers. Maybe I should donate as well. I am confused, conflicted and tired. Worked 16 hours again yesterday. I need R&R. Rest and Riding.
Ride Safe
Edited by radioteacher 2009-04-10 9:26 AM
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| Folks, it's like this.
We're never going to ask for money. Contributions come in all forms from people buying items in the store to out-n-out donations to writing an article to posting a few kind words. It's ALL appreciated. Contributions go into everything from taking care of the site with hosting and development, to new branded products (yes the patches are coming soon) and cool swag like the flexlites to new articles. As we grow, there will be growing pains as there is with any site, and Jeff and I will deal with it as it comes. I think we've proven that.
Don't know about for anyone else, but it seems since the outage the other day there has been a marked improvement overall. I'm about as far away(west) from the actual server location(east coast) as one can get without getting wet, so I would assume it's better for everyone in between.
Just be thankful you're not in California this week. No internet, No phone, No 911, no nothing. Puts our little forum outage into perspective.
Again, thanks for all the kind words, and even some of the not-so-kind-ones. Either way we listen, hope to continue to provide a service you enjoy using.
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Tacoma, WA | I certainly do not visit this site as often as I used to, and it is all about just being too busy to visit ANY site at present. I have ben stacking miles on the Vision, and just don't get here as often as I used to... That being said, maybe that is why I haven't noticed a slowness that others have. I do find plenty of useful info here when I do visit, and am thankful for it. I have been on other forums where it seems wives tales are more in tune with what info is accepted, and when a wrong answer is pointed out as WRONG, with facts, the one pointing it out is chastised. Thank God it is not like that here. I like you guys.------Metalguy |
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So Cal | I can remember only 2 times this site has been down. Loading pages has always been a problem. Mainly when traffic increased. But, this is the first forum I found where there is little attitude. Sure, there are rants and joking, but once its done, its over and things get back to the topic at hand. I've looked at the others that are linked to this site but they seem to have something missing. Whether we agree or disagree, everyone on this site provides helpful, useful information. |
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