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Land O Lakes, FL | I run the Bridgestone G709's on mine and love them. I only get 10-11k out of any rear tire no matter what, even on my Goldwings. I had the dreaded howl on my E3's as well and I'm a tire pressure nut too. My stones have no howl and last just as long. About to change out my rear again after another 10k miles. I feel the stones are smoother, quieter and handle every bit as well as the Dunlop. Just a thought... |
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Tourer
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| Nitrogen in the tire baby!  |
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Visionary
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Darkside fix's it right up for good......
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Central Maryland | I am amazed at the mileage I am still getting with my E3 rear (now 13.5k) and still more useable rear center tread to go... I have never had a motorcycle rear tire last that long. I'll get the E3's again. I am pleased with it. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm trying to remember when I put on my last rear E3, but it has seemed like it was time for a change. I looked at it today and it looks good still, so now I'm wondering when it was. I replace the rear about every 6 months, and I thought it was december/january, but I might be wrong or I've got the new MT E3 |
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Tourer
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| I've got 10k on my e3 rear, looks good for many more. Got 13k on my front when I replaced it with another e3. I think when it is time to replace the rear I will try a set of Micheline Commander II. seeing good reviews about the C II. |
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Tourer
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Central Illinois | Be careful. That Commander is a bias ply tire while your E-3 is a radial. I do not buy into the idea that all tires must match but I believe that they should at least be the same type. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| I get 20k out of my E-3. |
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Tourer
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Akron Ohio area | The load rating on anything other than the E3's keeps me from changing brands.
I've averaged 14,000 on the rear tires over 53,000 miles.
The front tires had a lot of life left in them but I like new rubber so I change them out with the rears.
As far as the howling goes, I'm fairly certain it comes from the front tire and I only hear it in the turns.
Both tires are duel compound tires and you can plainly see that as they wear down.
http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/tire-catalog/road/touring/elite-3/ |
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Tourer
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Beer Collins, Colorado (there is no fort) | Avon Cobra rear has an 80 load rating-So far I'm liking it better than my E3's but need to wear it out to make the overall comparison. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Bella Vista, AR | I've got 7,000 on my rear E3 and it's shot. I know weight has a lot to do with tire wear, and my passenger and I are not little people, but I really expected better mileage out of this tire. Tire alignment is good, and I always run 41-42psi in the rear. I bought this bike as a demo with 2200 miles on it, so I can't say what happened before I got the bike, but the tires were already cupped by then. I've thought about going DS, but just don't know if I'd be satisfied with it for my area and riding style. Thinking of trying the Commanders, but don't see the sizes for the Vision, at least not where I've looked. Maybe lstayner can chime in with some more info? |
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Tourer
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Akron Ohio area | Michelin does NOT recommend the Commander for Visions.
Avons lose too much in carry capacity.
The new E3 rear tire is duel compound, but the front isn't.
The new E3 rear has a 992 pound rating.
I spent about 4 hours yesterday checking out all the tires for my Vision and there really is only one choice.
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Iron Butt
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| bigfoot - 2013-06-29 3:45 PM
Avons lose too much in carry capacity.The new Cobra has the same 80H rating as the E3 so I'm not sure what you're referring to.
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Puddle Jumper
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Bella Vista, AR | bigfoot - 2013-06-29 5:45 PM
Michelin does NOT recommend the Commander for Visions.
Where did you find this info? Commander is a higher load rating than the E3. |
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Tourer
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Prairie City, IA United States | fish51 - 2013-06-29 7:59 PM
bigfoot - 2013-06-29 5:45 PM
Michelin does NOT recommend the Commander for Visions.
Where did you find this info? Commander is a higher load rating than the E3.
He didn't find the information on the Michelin site. Just because they don't make an exact tire size he is making an assumption. I did a bunch of research and asking my tire shop about running a size larger. They said one size larger is not a problem. I did it on my VStar 1300 several times with no issues. |
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Akron Ohio area | fish51 - 2013-06-29 8:59 PM bigfoot - 2013-06-29 5:45 PM Michelin does NOT recommend the Commander for Visions. Where did you find this info? Commander is a higher load rating than the E3. TRUE But Michelin doesn't have the correct size for our bike and the closest fit would be a biased ply tire instead of a radial. If you go to the Michelin site and use their "tool" to find the correct tire you'll see that they say they don't have a tire for our bike. I wanted to try Michelin's my next tire change, but if they don't recommend their tires for my bike, then it's a no-go. |
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Akron Ohio area | marcparnes - 2013-06-29 7:35 PM bigfoot - 2013-06-29 3:45 PM Avons lose too much in carry capacity.The new Cobra has the same 80H rating as the E3 so I'm not sure what you're referring to. Marc It seems that as of April of this year, you are correct. Avon Offers Cobra Tire Combination For Victory Motorcycles
STOW, OH – The new Cobra tire combination from Avon Tyres is the perfect choice for a wide variety of Victory motorcycles model year 2008 and newer.
When compared to the stock tires, the new Cobrarear tire features a triple compound, including a longer lasting compound in the center, softer shoulder compound for improved grip and cornering performance,and a third compound that binds these compounds together to reduce tire temperature and increase mileage. The six-ply design for the rear includes two Aramid belts and a nylon belt to reinforce and stabilize the tire carcass, reduce tire flex under heavier loads, and provide a more comfortable ride. Force Following Groovestransmit energy across the surface of the tires for even wear and longer life. “It’s important to select a replacement tire that’s designed to meet the unique needs of specific Victory motorcycle models,” stated Sukoshi Fahey, Sales & Marketing Manager, Avon Tyres. “The Cobra tread design resists uneven wear and tracking on irregular road surfaces, while the distinctive snakeskin effect sidewall makes these tires a real head turner.” The Cobra for Victory motorcycles is available in size 130/70R18 front, and180/60R16 rear for the following models: Victory Vision® Street (2008-2009), Victory Vision® Tour (2008-2012), Arlen Ness®Victory Vision® (2009-2010), Arlen Ness® Vision Tour® (2011-2012), Victory Cross Roads® (2010) and Cross Roads/Classic LE (2011-2012), Victory Hard-Ball™ (2012), Victory 8-Ball® (2010-2011), Victory Cross Country® (2010-2012), Victory Cross Country Tour® (2012) and Victory Cory Ness Cross Country® (2011-2012). For more information, visit http://www.avonmoto.com. |
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Akron Ohio area |
lstayner - 2013-06-29 9:50 PM fish51 - 2013-06-29 7:59 PM bigfoot - 2013-06-29 5:45 PM Michelin does NOT recommend the Commander for Visions. Where did you find this info? Commander is a higher load rating than the E3. He didn't find the information on the Michelin site. Just because they don't make an exact tire size he is making an assumption. I did a bunch of research and asking my tire shop about running a size larger. They said one size larger is not a problem. I did it on my VStar 1300 several times with no issues. I'm fairly certain that this is Michelin's site for motorcycles. Click on it and then fill in the search area blanks with a Victory Vision and see what they say. http://michelinmotorcycle.com/tire-selector |
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Iron Butt
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| I'm on my second set. They have superior wet weather performance, no howl at all, great cornering feel and don't' square off. BUT, be aware that the rear will only last half as long as an E3 in my experience. For me about 6K is about it. I have the next set on the floor as we speak. I'm doing an 11K mile trip this summer and will have to plan two tire and oil change stops along the way. One stop for a rear and one stop for both. Its a bit of a pain since nobody stocks them but its still worth it to me.
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Akron Ohio area |
fish51 - 2013-06-23 2:26 AM I've got 7,000 on my rear E3 and it's shot. I know weight has a lot to do with tire wear, and my passenger and I are not little people, but I really expected better mileage out of this tire. Tire alignment is good, and I always run 41-42psi in the rear. I'm 6'4" tall and weigh 300 pounds. I've averaged 16,000 miles per rear tire which I find perfectly acceptable. I keep 38 PSI in the front and 40 PSI in the rear and I use a $40 pressure gauge from Summit Racing that is extremely accurate. (I threw away my stick gauges due to inaccuracy, some by as much as 4 PSI) That average would have been considerably higher except that I had to change out my tires due to longer trips coming up of 7,600 miles, 3,000 miles, and 4,700 miles. I didn't want to have to worry about tires while on the road. First tire change was at 14,600 Second tire change was at 29,500 (14,900 miles) Third tire change was at 48,000 (18,500 miles) Getting 18,500 miles on a rear tire before I hit ANY of the wear bars is fantastic. This tire had a born on date of just one month prior, but I doubt that had much to do with it. I always change out both tires at the same time. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | bigfoot, 18,500 is outstanding !!!!!!! |
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Iron Butt
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Peru, IN | bigfoot - 2013-06-30 11:30 AM
http://michelinmotorcycle.com/tire-selector
Michelin Tire site
MICHELIN provides tires for more than 3000 motorcycles
... but unfortunately for this one.
Michelin needs to hire a new proofreader. I'm sure it was supposed to say "...but unfortunately NOT for this one.". |
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Tourer
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Grand Cane, LA | Actually you could use the 180/65/16 Commander for the rear. It is only a 1/4" bigger in diameter so your speedo will only be off just a tad. The load rating for that size is an 81H which is more than the Elite 3. I have an Dunlop American Elite rear tire instead of the Elite 3 on mine and it is the same as the Commander with an 81H load index. It too is a bias ply, but I have found no ill effects so far. Have 10,000 miles on it so far and they look like they are about 1/2 worn. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Bella Vista, AR | marcparnes - 2013-06-30 10:33 AM
I'm on my second set. They have superior wet weather performance, no howl at all, great cornering feel and don't' square off. BUT, be aware that the rear will only last half as long as an E3 in my experience. For me about 6K is about it. I have the next set on the floor as we speak. I'm doing an 11K mile trip this summer and will have to plan two tire and oil change stops along the way. One stop for a rear and one stop for both. Its a bit of a pain since nobody stocks them but its still worth it to me.
Marc
Are you talking about the Michelins or the Avons? |
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Iron Butt
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| fish51 - 2013-07-01 12:26 AM
marcparnes - 2013-06-30 10:33 AM
I'm on my second set. They have superior wet weather performance, no howl at all, great cornering feel and don't' square off. BUT, be aware that the rear will only last half as long as an E3 in my experience. For me about 6K is about it. I have the next set on the floor as we speak. I'm doing an 11K mile trip this summer and will have to plan two tire and oil change stops along the way. One stop for a rear and one stop for both. Its a bit of a pain since nobody stocks them but its still worth it to me.
Marc
Are you talking about the Michelins or the Avons?
Oops, sorry! Avon Cobra.
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