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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | jimtom - 2013-05-22 10:00 AM he rides a CR. I can't speak to that. It and the fat tired bikes are the only Victorys I haven't ridden.  thanks for that correction, I blew by that for some reason. I've riden a Cross bike, and it does feel different, so maybe it's like any other bike. Solution: get a Vision.  |
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Visionary
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Sand Rock, AL United States | I've ridden a CCT but just a solo demo. |
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Tourer
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Central Illinois | Pollolittle, the new Victories in general, and my Vision in particular does not have truly separate brakes. The rear brake also applies the front brake, which messes up that method to a large degree.
It is not a lack of ability to balance, it is about a passenger affecting your balance no matter what you do. My trouble started when I bought an Electra Glide that was too tall for me. By the time I got it lowered, the pattern had become established and even on my nice low Yamaha, I was suddenly having low speed troubles with her on board. I am tempted to take my 38 years old daughter for a ride and see if it still happens. That would at least narrow it down to me or the particular passenger. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Columbus OH | Oldman, see my response to pollolittle's suggestion
Thanks |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | I know how hard it is to say she can't ride...but I would have to if I felt she was a danger to the two of us. I recently scrapped the boards and she never even flinched. I was expecting it, but she just reminded me I wasn't alone. Nothing new, only a reminder. |
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Visionary
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Brighton, TN | Radial I don't see a response! Hmmm! May have something to do with my inability to turn around here in a parking lot. |
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Cruiser
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Danbury, Connecticut | Radial, I think what you are experiencing is the fact that the passenger sits quite a bit higher than you do on your CR vs. previous bikes. Ask her how much more view she has over your head on this bike. The higher she is, the higher your center of gravity-she has more leverage up high- so anything beyond 0 degrees gets magnified. I struggled when I first got my Vision, particularly when I was two up. I purchased some of the Ride Like A Pro DVDs and practiced. That absolutely improved my ability riding in many ways and I considered myself a pretty good rider before. I rode a Dyna-Wide Glide prior to the Vision and have been riding for over 30 years. Take an advanced riding course or the Ride Like A Pro videos and you will find tips and techniques that make you a better rider-regardless of how long you have been riding or how good you think you are. I promise you, I have been where you are. Lowering the bike is a crutch unless there is something mechanically wrong with it, but if that were the case you should have an issue solo too. I rode both a Vision and both Cross bikes during a demo ride 2-up and I don't recall any significant differences in that balance issue between the different bikes. Good luck! |
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Visionary
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Brighton, TN | Well I have ridden a HD softail classic and I thought it would stand on its own without a kickstand, didn't feel as wobbly coming to a stop. The vision if not paying attention feels like my dirt bike come to a stop and be ready to put a foot down. Come to think of it I ride this bike more like a dirtbike than probably most. I'll drift it in the driveway, probably couldn't do that on the HD felt heavy. So, with the vision it feels more sportbike or dirt bike inspired than. Lazy old guy in a crown Vic. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Columbus OH | Don't know what happened to my reply, but basically you've given the only response with any insight - compared with H-D rides.
The H-D key differences (perceptions)may be engine related. That hog engine has a lower C of G in the frame (any pushrod engine is gonna have smaller, lower heads). Plus it's got that big-ass flywheel. The gyro effect of the flywheel and a higher RPM at idle may give the different perception.
I've used the rev-and-drag-the-rear-brake technique and it does work.
I'm still open to any set-up suggestions, but for now I'll just keep the slow speed rev's a little higher.
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Visionary
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Brighton, TN | I haven't really rode a hog for many miles but that was my perception. Thanks for replying that was helpful for me from your viewpoint. Didn't know the hog idled higher or had a lower cg. Probably why the vision handles so well at speed which would be the tradeoff slower. Interesting, but I would guess sport bikes are twitchy slower. |
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Visionary
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Brighton, TN | One other thing, seems when you come to a stop with passenger if they move to one side or the other just a smidge would impact that slow balance. I use to fight mine with wife on board, come to find out that's what it was and I had to ask her to be motionless when coming to a stop but underway no bother. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Columbus OH | Thanks.
I am a believer in the training courses. Taken the basic twice & advanced once - I learned something every time.
I have not seen Ride Like a Pro, but I may have to check it out.
Knowledge is power and more power is always good.
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Cruiser
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| very thankful for vision anti tipovers.....needed them a few times on those awkward hilly spots |
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Cruiser
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elgin mn | I have had some of the same Issues, maybe from being nervous or maybe my wife is nervous. of the 26000 on my vision my wife has ridden maybe 6000. I tend to ride a lot different with her on,slower in corners and slower overall. I try to make it enjoyable for her because she was never on a bike before 09. It is a work in progress. keep trying. It isnt the bike!!! |
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Iron Butt
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Perry Hall, MD | When I went to the Vision there was a big change in weight and distribution. After using the tipovers a couple of times I finally learned that I needed to spread my legs a bit more with my toes pointed out. Problem solved.
Another observation about the Vision is that anything effecting the rear wheel is transmitted to the front. I refer to it as the tail wagging the dog. As the rear tire contacts the curb coming into my driveway the front end will shake. Certain intersections with particularly uneven surfaces cause a less pronounced but similar reaction and unsteadiness when the rear tire travels across the bumps and dips. This was accentuated when I went to the darkside. It helped to stiffen the rear end by increasing shock pressure to 40 when solo (w/ trunk and 190 lb rider) and 50 when 2 up (added 140 lb).
A stabilizer for the rear end would be a welcomed accessory. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Columbus OH | You know, I stated early on, I'm riding a CROSS ROADS. I really don't give a sh*t about your Vision's mileage. Don't you have yor own forum? |
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Visionary
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | radial - 2013-06-12 9:13 PM You know, I stated early on, I'm riding a CROSS ROADS. I really don't give a sh*t about your Vision's mileage. Don't you have yor own forum? EASY LITTLE MAN! This site is called "VISION-RIDERS" - not HARLEY-WANNABEES |
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Iron Butt
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Manchester, CT | +1 |
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Puddle Jumper
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Columbus OH | The top of my page says
"Cross Riders" |
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Visionary
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Jasper, MO | radial - 2013-06-13 5:49 PM
The top of my page says
"Cross Riders"
Can't explain it, but the top of my page says "Vision Riders".
Ronnie |
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Iron Butt
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Peru, IN | You're all correct. As I'm sure you know, there are a few "-Riders" (Hammer, Vegas, Kingpin, Cross and Vision) forums that are all intertwined. This is the General Victory sub forum which is the same on all the -Rider boards. Chill out, guys. |
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Visionary
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | The site started as "Vision Riders" - then other Victory models were added.
The site address I use is: http://www.vision-riders.com
and like it says "VISION-RIDERS.COM" - not "CROSS-RIDERS.COM"
If you click on HOME you can see the other models. If you don't see MY Vision in the lead-photo - you are not on the VISION page ...
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Iron Butt
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Peru, IN | Doesn't matter if it started with Vision-Riders or not. The bottom line is, the General Victory Discussion sub forum is the same for all the -Rider forums. The home page is different as are the other sub forums depending on which forum you happen to be on. BTW, you don't even need to click on the Home button. Just hover over it and you should get a drop down menu of the other -Rider forums. Because this sub forum is the same across all the boards, radial is right (although he came across as an ass) as are you and Ronnie. |
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Visionary
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Awe Monkeyman! That's not FAIR!!! HE started it... Waaaaaaa...........
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Cruiser
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Danbury, Connecticut | If I have to pull this bike over to talk to you guys about this, someone's in trouble! LOL. Deep breath guys, we're all on the same team. |
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