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New Bohemia, VA | I see it hitting the rear TOP and it looks rather worn down in that last shot. While I need to get comfortable in doing those maneuvers, I don't see the point except the "ahh factor" If it's a Ness it's lowered some, enough to do that. I hope that bike ain't for sell, I wouldn't buy it. |
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Broken Arrow, OK | fish51 - 2013-04-22 10:52 PM
I never get tired of that country down around Boxley and Kingston.
Ditto....Jasper being our favorite hangout. |
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Prairie City, IA United States | fish51 - 2013-04-22 10:26 PM
No harm done. Your concern for others is evident in other posts I have seen. Look me up if you get over to northwest Arkansas, and I'll show you some of my favorite roads.
We spent the weekend in Eureka Springs and I must say that the area is a great place to ride. The motorcycle only motels are great. If you have never ridden that area I encourage you to make the trip. |
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| Heading to Eureka Springs this weekend!!! Love riding that area.
Speaking of which, isn't there a stretch of road in NW Arkansas that they refer to as the Arkansas Dragons Tail ?
Anyone know where? I think I was on it once a few years ago, but can't remember where now.
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Bella Vista, AR | It's Hwy. 123, just to the east of Jasper. It's an excellent piece of road. Have fun and ride safe. |
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| fish51 - 2013-04-24 6:44 AM
It's Hwy. 123, just to the east of Jasper. It's an excellent piece of road. Have fun and ride safe.
Yes, that's it! Thank you!
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orrick, mo | 74 off of 123 is pretty good also. 341 by Mountain home (Push Mountain Road) is excellent also. I have some pic's of me on 341 a couple of years ago in the gallery and you can see the floor board rubbing going around a corner. Lot of fun!!
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Central Illinois | There is a road called the Pig Trail in NW Arkansas. It is well worth the trip if you are nearby. |
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| I have a car tire on my vision so it's impossible to scrape |
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| Oldman47 - 2013-04-24 12:26 PM
There is a road called the Pig Trail in NW Arkansas. It is well worth the trip if you are nearby.
Been there, done that, a bunch. It's no longer fun since they widened it a few years back. Not to mention, it's only about 3 miles of actual tight curves.
As for the issue of dragging tip overs, I guess I'm going to have to knock mine over on it's side and take a pic. My guess is that it's about an 75-80 degree lean when it's on those tip overs. My highway pegs and floor boards would touch WELL before the tip overs ever would. As a matter of fact, I can drag the corners of my skid plate at will, but again, that's LONNGGGGGG before the tipovers would.
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Republic of Texas | Nozzledog - 2013-04-22 7:41 PM
Yes, I could have made these turns without dragging with better body position, but I was trying out the Arizona Vic PD floorboard skidplates. They are 1/4" thick plates that mount to the floorboards so you don't mess your boards up. The Visions can do about a 19' dia donut if you practice.
The floorboards do hit a few degrees before the front tipovers. When they hit, it suddenly goes from Fun-n-Games to Better-Watch-What-You're-Doing!
Nozzledog,
How did you light up the exhaust tips?
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Westchester Co., NY | When he popped up over the curve I didn't see a bash plate. Not saying I definitly would have seen one but I thought I would have been able to. |
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Orlando, FL | SOme people scrape thru the turns, even when the bike is set up properly and ridden well. And some of us are skinny suckers. But there's not need to try and convince people who don't want to be convinced. They need to learn to ride hard in the turns and do it themselves. Some of us just ride HARD! REALLY FREAKING HARD!! Nuff said. |
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Central Illinois | Although Turk says the Pig trail is nothing much lately, I found it far more challenging than the videos I have seen of the Tail of the Dragon, which seemed to be mostly wide sweepers, not hairpin turns. Heck even typical switchbacks in the Sierra Nevada seem tighter than anything I saw on videos of the Tail of the Dragon. By comparison to my earlier experience with those roads in the Sierra Nevada in a small car, the Tail of the Dragon looks downright tame to me.
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flagstaff, AZ | jeffmack - 2013-04-24 11:44 AM
I have a car tire on my vision so it's impossible to scrape
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New Bohemia, VA | Oldman47 - 2013-04-24 7:54 PM Although Turk says the Pig trail is nothing much lately, I found it far more challenging than the videos I have seen of the Tail of the Dragon, which seemed to be mostly wide sweepers, not hairpin turns. Heck even typical switchbacks in the Sierra Nevada seem tighter than anything I saw on videos of the Tail of the Dragon. By comparison to my earlier experience with those roads in the Sierra Nevada in a small car, the Tail of the Dragon looks downright tame to me. Just saying. I rode the Sierra Nevada, and roads in Southwest Virginia, and the Dragon is no more than a tourist attraction for bikers and sports car so you can get your picture taken. The Sierra Nevada is some serious riding, between the drop-offs and keeping an eye out for big creatures, the mind races faster than the bike. Had breakfast in Kernville, and then went around the East side up to Nevada. |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | Set your bike on the tipovers and you will see the floorboards hit much sooner than they do. The suspension compresses under the centrifigul force of a 900 lb mass traveling in a circle making the scrape angle less. Worn tires will also make the scrape angle less. Add these factors together and it is not difficult to scrape the tipovers and is actually easy to scrape the floorboards. Especially on a lowered Ness. Mine is not lowered in any way and I have scraped 3 times. I have the same scars on my tipovers as the previous pic. I never mean to scrape. When it did happen I took it as a warning that I was going too fast, so I slowed down. I do not plan on scraping again, but I know it will happen. Doesn't seem to hurt anything. Just wouldn't want to catch a pothole.
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Jasper, MO | Oldman47 - 2013-04-24 6:54 PM
Although Turk says the Pig trail is nothing much lately, I found it far more challenging than the videos I have seen of the Tail of the Dragon, which seemed to be mostly wide sweepers, not hairpin turns. Heck even typical switchbacks in the Sierra Nevada seem tighter than anything I saw on videos of the Tail of the Dragon. By comparison to my earlier experience with those roads in the Sierra Nevada in a small car, the Tail of the Dragon looks downright tame to me.
Just saying.
It is tame if you're used to riding some real mountain roads. I found it to be highly over rated. There are far more challenging roads in Missouri and Arkansas than what Deals Gap offers, not to mention the Rocky Mountains. The Tail of The Dragon's only claim to fame is the 318 easy sweepers in just 11 miles, and they don't even offer much elevation change. Big deal. I can take you on some Arkansas roads that will have you dragging in corners at 15 MPH in 1st or 2nd gear as the road switches back and climbs at the same time. The pavement has grooves in it from long vehicles dragging as they go around the corner/make the climb.
If it weren't for the maniacs coming around the curve from the other direction and in your lane, pretending they are on a racetrack instead of a State highway, Deal's Gap would be boring. Those maniacs coming the other way on Deal's Gap can make the ride "interesting". 
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Bella Vista, AR | I'm headed to the Deals Gap area in June. Mostly just want to ride the Smokies(never been there), but will ride the Dragon while I'm out there. Ronnie, I know you're talking about that stretch of 123 by Mount Judea with those nasty little curves. I think that's probably some of the funnest few minutes a person can have on a bike. I'd like to find a road just like that one that goes on for miles.
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| MaddMAx2u - 2013-04-24 6:50 PM
SOme people scrape thru the turns, even when the bike is set up properly and ridden well. And some of us are skinny suckers. But there's not need to try and convince people who don't want to be convinced. They need to learn to ride hard in the turns and do it themselves. Some of us just ride HARD! REALLY FREAKING HARD!! Nuff said.
Oh, I do scrape my "jb.hatch" hwy pegs, as well as my floorboards and Ness bash plate.... but I'm gonna say NO to scraping the tip overs. I can see it happening on a lowered bike, whether intentionally lowered or with an improperly inflated air shock... but again... drop your bikes over on their sides and sit on it... then tell me you lean that far over while riding. We're talking 75 degree lean angle on the tip overs! Touching tips at that lean angle, and you're gonna lift the bike and low side.
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Brighton, TN | This bike won't low side by just touching the tipovers, as in the video in slow mode, dude is scraping all the metal off of those tip overs. I'm unsure why Turk has this great amount of disbelief that the bike is still stable while scraping the tipovers, or that IT CAN BE DONE AT ALL. Yes it is an extreme lean for a big bike, SO! If the tires maintain contact and I don't go scrambling across the pavement, I consider the lean to be safe, and yes, as posted earlier in the MSF course, I did it a lot. The isntructor even commented that he thought I was traveling with more speed and lean angle through the course than he rides with his FJR. He was quite impressed. Funny, considering he was mocking me at showing up on a big tour bike to take the course. I have a couple of pics from the dragon but not a good pic of the tips touching. I know I had some of the MSF course the instructor was taking pics, don't know what I did with it. Coming into the parking lot every morning, I have to do a 180 and a couple of 90 degree turns before I get to my parking spot and I do it in 2nd gear with decent speed and routinely am scraping metal. The bike leans and does it well. |
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Jasper, MO | fish51 - 2013-04-25 1:22 AM
I'm headed to the Deals Gap area in June. Mostly just want to ride the Smokies(never been there), but will ride the Dragon while I'm out there. Ronnie, I know you're talking about that stretch of 123 by Mount Judea with those nasty little curves. I think that's probably some of the funnest few minutes a person can have on a bike. I'd like to find a road just like that one that goes on for miles.
The Smokies are awesome. I love 'em. It's really pretty in the Fall. We don't get colors that vibrant in the Ozarks. If you can, ride Deal's Gap during the week. The maniacs are there on the weekends. I've ridden it on a Friday and it wasn't very crowded. On the weekends, all the boy racers are out. There are lots of great roads in that area, and some of them are more entertaining than the "Dragon". You can pick up area maps at any motel around there.
Have you been up on Mt. Nebo at Dardenell (across the river from Russellville)? The start of that road intimidates the flatlanders and the view from the top is great. Often, there will be hanggliders launching from there. How about the side road coming down off of Rich Mountain at Mena? You can scare yourself pretty good on either one if you get too frisky.
This is Deal's Gap in the Fall
Ronnie
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| pollolittle - 2013-04-25 8:47 AM
This bike won't low side by just touching the tipovers, as in the video in slow mode, dude is scraping all the metal off of those tip overs. I'm unsure why Turk has this great amount of disbelief that the bike is still stable while scraping the tipovers, or that IT CAN BE DONE AT ALL. Yes it is an extreme lean for a big bike, SO! If the tires maintain contact and I don't go scrambling across the pavement, I consider the lean to be safe, and yes, as posted earlier in the MSF course, I did it a lot. The isntructor even commented that he thought I was traveling with more speed and lean angle through the course than he rides with his FJR. He was quite impressed. Funny, considering he was mocking me at showing up on a big tour bike to take the course. I have a couple of pics from the dragon but not a good pic of the tips touching. I know I had some of the MSF course the instructor was taking pics, don't know what I did with it. Coming into the parking lot every morning, I have to do a 180 and a couple of 90 degree turns before I get to my parking spot and I do it in 2nd gear with decent speed and routinely am scraping metal. The bike leans and does it well.
I saw that video, he wasn't leaned over more than 45 degrees, at most! My tips don't touch until like 75 degrees. That's my point. Go throw your Vision over on it's side (until it is resting on the tip overs) tell me how far that is. Mine just barely has the fairing a few inches off of the ground. So either my bike is unique and and the tip overs don't stick out as far, or my bike just plain sits higher off of the ground than others do. Actually... now that I think about it, I must have a one-off, prototype Vision, cuz no one else has the built in trailer wiring pigtail that mine does either....
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Brighton, TN | I don't know how far over that is, but I know it is a long way. I also can sit on the bike in that position and it will not continue to go over any further. I have metal that has been removed from both tipovers front and rear, hwy peg, floorboard, and exhaust tip. Maybe there is some give in the body that comes to rest after it stops on the tipovers.
I agree the front fairing is a very close to the ground and so is the exhaust tip. I don't know how I would have removed material from all those locations without getting very close to the ground. I may have to get a guy to video me laying my bike on its side to see what hits first, etc. Or just video me making a circle.
I like your point of being very low to the ground, but I have no way to explain where all the metal went either. Things that make you go hmmmm. |
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Brighton, TN | Turk - look under the front cowling and see if you have the cut powered antenna stuck to the cowling. I did, where was that pigtail? |
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