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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | jjp53 - 2012-11-12 1:52 AM
kevinx - 2012-11-11 8:29 PM
Typical numbers for a vision are 107+HP/ 112+TQ
Would those numbers include the addition of intakes and exhaust?
Numbers include twin filters, but I have done several with stock exhaust, and the numbers are still right there. Yes they are rear wheel |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | jjp53 - 2012-11-12 1:52 AM
kevinx - 2012-11-11 8:29 PM
Typical numbers for a vision are 107+HP/ 112+TQ
Would those numbers include the addition of intakes and exhaust?
Numbers include twin filters, but I have done several with stock exhaust, and the numbers are still right there. Yes they are rear wheel |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | jjp53 - 2012-11-12 1:52 AM
kevinx - 2012-11-11 8:29 PM
Typical numbers for a vision are 107+HP/ 112+TQ
Would those numbers include the addition of intakes and exhaust?
Numbers include twin filters, but I have done several with stock exhaust, and the numbers are still right there. Yes they are rear wheel |
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Gilroy, Ca | Hey Kevin do you also work on HD's |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | jjp53 - 2012-11-12 2:50 PM
Hey Kevin do you also work on HD's
Not on the road.... |
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| kevinx - 2012-11-12 2:03 PM jjp53 - 2012-11-12 2:50 PM Hey Kevin do you also work on HD's Not on the road.... I thought everyone worked on Harleys on the road. |
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Gilroy, Ca | Hahahaha that is true Kris
Kevin maybe I could have you work on my bike on your next visit to the San Francisco area |
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Brighton, TN | What gives the best jump off idle! I rarely get above 3500! Im lazy! |
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Jasper, MO | Monkeyman - 2012-11-12 4:31 AM
kevinx - 2012-11-11 11:29 PM
jjp53 - 2012-11-11 11:22 PM
Hey Don what are your numbers "hp & trq"
Typical numbers for a vision are 107+HP/ 112+TQ
Can I assume those are rear wheel numbers?
Mine goes 12.60s @ 105 MPH in the quarter mile and top speeds well over 130 MPH. Good riders go faster. Yep, rear wheel. Stock exhaust and front filter. Top filter, cams, VFCIII, Lloydz ECU. Bike and rider weight = 1100 pounds. 1000 foot elevation track.
Ronnie
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Chattanooga, TN | Here are a few numbers for you to consider. The first dyno was after adding a top air filter, VFC III, intake plate/spacer and tune in Daytona at sea level. The next dyno shows the same set-up with the addition of VM I cams and D&D exhaust. If I had it to do over again, I'd have done it all at once and saved a few hundred bucks, but it is neat to see the difference between the two.
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Gilroy, Ca | baadawg - 2012-11-12 7:57 PM
Here are a few numbers for you to consider. The first dyno was after adding a top air filter, VFC III, intake plate/spacer and tune in Daytona at sea level. ?The next dyno shows the same set-up with the addition of VM I cams and D&D exhaust. If I had it to do over again, I'd have done it all at once and saved a few hundred bucks, but it is neat to see the difference between the two.
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Chattanooga, TN | Had to compress the files. Sorry 'bout the wait.
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Jasper, MO | baadawg - 2012-11-12 9:57 PM
Here are a few numbers for you to consider. The first dyno was after adding a top air filter, VFC III, intake plate/spacer and tune in Daytona at sea level. ?The next dyno shows the same set-up with the addition of VM I cams and D&D exhaust. If I had it to do over again, I'd have done it all at once and saved a few hundred bucks, but it is neat to see the difference between the two.
Nice. When the snow is deep, you need to send your ECU to Lloyd for a reprogram.
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Looks like KevinX is visiting Bakersfield to do cams.... Eddie Chavez posted on Victory's FB page:
"KevinX is coming to Bakersfield on December 8th. Anyone interested in getting cams installed at that time? Let me know if you're interested....
We currently have 3 bikes getting done so I need to know if anyone wants theirs done. Get with me as soon as possible if you want your bike done. Price is...Cams $520, VFC $265, Vision top filter $85, Timing gear $142. Labor with cams only is $450, labor with complete set up is $400."
Contact Eddie through Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/eddie.chavez.961
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Chattanooga, TN |
Nice. When the snow is deep, you need to send your ECU to Lloyd for a reprogram. Ronnie Ya, I'm doing the PC-V next, debating on getting the rev extended to 6500 rpm. As you can see, where it was petering out above 4500 rpm, it is now still making power up to the limit at 5500 rpms. I know I could have Lloydz tweak the ecu. What else will he do besides extend the rpm range on the ecu? If that is all, I think I'll stick with the PC-V which overrides the ecu anyway.
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Gilroy, Ca | Jedi Jeff - 2012-11-13 1:43 PM
Looks like KevinX is visiting Bakersfield to do cams.... Eddie Chavez posted on Victory's FB page:
"KevinX is coming to Bakersfield on December 8th. Anyone interested in getting cams installed at that time? Let me know if you're interested....
We currently have 3 bikes getting done so I need to know if anyone wants theirs done. Get with me as soon as possible if you want your bike done. Price is...Cams $520, VFC $265, Vision top filter $85, Timing gear $142. Labor with cams only is $450, labor with complete set up is $400."
Contact Eddie through Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/eddie.chavez.961
$1500 isn't bad for a full setup. I'd be willing but I was asked to baptize my brothers son that day hopefully next time
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| I wounder how long it takes to do cams and a tuner on a bike. Do you guys pull body work to make it easy on him. Has to be a good 3 hours to jack up rear frame pull rocker box's and pulling old ones and putting in new ones. Now adding tuner must be a hour an a half.
I wounder how far off I am. Now I'm guessing body work is off mind you.
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | johnnyvision - 2012-11-13 7:36 PM
I wounder how long it takes to do cams and a tuner on a bike. Do you guys pull body work to make it easy on him. Has to be a good 3 hours to jack up rear frame pull rocker box's and pulling old ones and putting in new ones. Now adding tuner must be a hour an a half.
I wounder how far off I am. Now I'm guessing body work is off mind you.
I could get it done in a week.
All plastics stay in place. Depending on how many I have done and how I'm feeling at the moment. I have don the whole thing in as little as 2 hours start to finish with VFC and top filter. Though typically I am in the 3 hour range. Mind you this is all done with tools laid out; with several tools I use only for these jobs, and a HIGHLY refined technique. It has taken me a long time to trim down the time to where I am now |
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Chattanooga, TN | They don't remove any body work except the radio console and cheese wedges. They can do a couple a day with two guys working. When my cams were done, it took two guys about an hour to do it. Now, that was cams only. Not counting the dyno or other adjustments. They were jammin! It all depends on having the right tools the right equipment, the experience and the know how!
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| kevinx - 2012-11-13 7:55 PM johnnyvision - 2012-11-13 7:36 PM I wounder how long it takes to do cams and a tuner on a bike. Do you guys pull body work to make it easy on him. Has to be a good 3 hours to jack up rear frame pull rocker box's and pulling old ones and putting in new ones. Now adding tuner must be a hour an a half. I wounder how far off I am. Now I'm guessing body work is off mind you. I could get it done in a week. All plastics stay in place. Depending on how many I have done and how I'm feeling at the moment. I have don the whole thing in as little as 2 hours start to finish with VFC and top filter. Though typically I am in the 3 hour range. Mind you this is all done with tools laid out; with several tools I use only for these jobs, and a HIGHLY refined technique. It has taken me a long time to trim down the time to where I am now Thanks for the info Kevin, if I decide to install the cams myself it's nice to know I don't have to pull the plastic. If It takes you two hours I can probably do it in two days. |
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Jasper, MO | baadawg - 2012-11-13 4:55 PM
Nice. When the snow is deep, you need to send your ECU to Lloyd for a reprogram. Ronnie? Ya, I'm doing the PC-V next, debating on getting the rev extended to 6500 rpm. As you can see, where it was petering out above 4500 rpm, it is now still making power up to the limit at 5500 rpms. I know I could have Lloydz tweak the ecu. What else will he do besides extend the rpm range on the ecu? If that is all, I think I'll stick with the PC-V which overrides the ecu anyway.
You've already got the VFCIII (which overrides the ECU) and a nice curve. Why would you think the PCV will get you any more? It's your money, but since you've already got the fuel control done, all you need is to extend the powerband on up with a a rev-extension. For less money than the PCV, you can have Lloyd reprogram your ECU, which is just a plug and play. He changes the timing curve to help the low end response and raises the rev-limit to 6400 in ALL 6 gears. In contrast, the PCV doesn't help the timing curve effectively from what I've been able to learn, and it doesn't raise the rev-limit unless you enable the "6000" option, which actually just adds 500 RPM to whatever is in the stock ECU, which then gets you 5750 in 1st, 6000 in 2 through 5, and 5050 in 6th. You can request another 500 from Power Commander which then limits you to 6250 in 1st, 6500 in 2 through 5, and 5550 in 6th. That will do it, but you've also got to have an external computer and lots of time screwing around to get the PCV set up.
As I said, it's your money, but with everything you've already got, your easiest and cheapest and totally effective upgrade now would be Lloydz ECU.
Ronnie
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | rdbudd - 2012-11-13 9:23 PM
baadawg - 2012-11-13 4:55 PM
Nice. When the snow is deep, you need to send your ECU to Lloyd for a reprogram. Ronnie? Ya, I'm doing the PC-V next, debating on getting the rev extended to 6500 rpm. As you can see, where it was petering out above 4500 rpm, it is now still making power up to the limit at 5500 rpms. I know I could have Lloydz tweak the ecu. What else will he do besides extend the rpm range on the ecu? If that is all, I think I'll stick with the PC-V which overrides the ecu anyway.
You've already got the VFCIII (which overrides the ECU) and a nice curve. Why would you think the PCV will get you any more? It's your money, but since you've already got the fuel control done, all you need is to extend the powerband on up with a a rev-extension. For less money than the PCV, you can have Lloyd reprogram your ECU, which is just a plug and play. He changes the timing curve to help the low end response and raises the rev-limit to 6400 in ALL 6 gears. In contrast, the PCV doesn't help the timing curve effectively from what I've been able to learn, and it doesn't raise the rev-limit unless you enable the "6000" option, which actually just adds 500 RPM to whatever is in the stock ECU, which then gets you 5750 in 1st, 6000 in 2 through 5, and 5050 in 6th. You can request another 500 from Power Commander which then limits you to 6250 in 1st, 6500 in 2 through 5, and 5550 in 6th. That will do it, but you've also got to have an external computer and lots of time screwing around to get the PCV set up.
As I said, it's your money, but with everything you've already got, your easiest and cheapest and totally effective upgrade now would be Lloydz ECU.
Ronnie
Also you have to get the auto tune feature to add revs through the PCV. So basically it costs an extra $400 over the price of the Lloyd based rev extend |
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| You have to add auto tune to extend the rpm's? I wasn't aware of that. |
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| Just to give an idea how long it takes when an amateur does it, I've done 5 of them and go really slow so it takes me about 3 hours or so for the cams alone. The PCV takes another hour and the top filter about 45 minutes. Of course I have no incentive to hurry and don't want to mess anything up. It's a very straight forward job and not particularly complicated if you've worked on engines before. Lloydz having introduced their new cams for the one piece camboxes made it quite a bit easier.
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| kris1956 - 2012-11-14 6:27 AM
You have to add auto tune to extend the rpm's? I wasn't aware of that.
No, you do not have to add Autotune to get the rev limiter increase.
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