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Rhode Island | Kyle at KMC put some of Lloyds magic parts on and with stock exhaust torque jumps to 108 at 2100rpm and levels off at 111 all the way to 5200rpm I think my HP peaked at 106. Running down and old 2 lane with a very slow pickup in front of me and a Dyna parked right on my rear tire, 1st straight section both pulled out to pass before I got out of 3rd he was falling back when I hit 5th he was nowhere to be seen. 10min later he pulled up next to me at a light; first words were what you got in that thing. I saw Screaming Eagle on everything so I had to toy with him a bit and responded all stock and I pulled away smiling to myself.
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | RhodeTrip - 2012-10-25 5:56 AM
Kyle at KMC put some of Lloyds magic parts on and with stock exhaust torque jumps to 108 at 2100rpm and levels off at 111 all the way to 5200rpm I think my HP peaked at 106. Running down and old 2 lane with a very slow pickup in front of me and a Dyna parked right on my rear tire, 1st straight section both pulled out to pass before I got out of 3rd he was falling back when I hit 5th he was nowhere to be seen. 10min later he pulled up next to me at a light; first words were what you got in that thing. I saw Screaming Eagle on everything so I had to toy with him a bit and responded all stock and I pulled away smiling to myself.
Jim
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Yeah I do that all the time. 115.5 HP and 117.3 Tq. It's fun ain't it ??? |
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | Just a question since I don't recall ever seeing it posted here, but has anyone run their VISION down a drag strip? What are ballpark E.T.s/MPH? 
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Gilroy, Ca | Damn Steve what do you have in that beast |
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| A friend has a 05 road glide with bid bore and one cam cvo air cleaner and a kuryakyn fuel tuner and he dynoed out at 95 hp with 100 torque.
All of that was just oever 2500 bucks. Me 2 air cleaners and S1's reworked and I can pull him just fine. I spent a 200 bucks
Think about this. With one air cleaner behind headlight how does it get air or even the one under the dash. We have a great motor for sure |
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Jasper, MO | SYNSTR - 2012-10-25 4:56 PM
Just a question since I don't recall ever seeing it posted here, but has anyone run their VISION down a drag strip? What are ballpark E.T.s/MPH?
Box stock will be in the neighborhood of 13.25 @ 98 MPH. Stock with just VM1 cams, intake filter and fuel controller, and Lloydz ECU (stock exhaust) gets you to 12.40s to 12.60s @ 105 MPH. Mine ran several 12.60s @ 105 on a cold track that had NOT been prepped with traction compound (Friday night grudge races) and I had some wheel spin off the line, similar to street conditions. I could only manage 1.80 60 foot times. A sticky track would have produced quicker times, probably 12.40s. I had junk in the trunk and weighed 1100 pounds. It got lots of attention from the other V-Twin bagger/touring bike riders and since my bike looks and sounds 100% stock, that's what I told them. The line is "Hey man, that's just how these Victorys run. Look at it. Listen to it. It doesn't even have pipes. She's stock."
Then I told them that Visions with Lloydz 116 motors are running 11.60s @ 112 MPH, which is the truth.
The GL1800 Goldwing that was there that night was running 13.05s - 13.15s @ 99- 100 MPH. He pulled off a single run of 12.91 @ 101 MPH, but couldn't back it up with another that quick. I've got all the timecards from the GW from that night since he lined up against me on every run, sure that his 1832cc 6 cylinder bike would shame my 1731cc V-Twin bike. We had a steak dinner bet on it. Mine tasted real good, while his seemed to taste like crow.
Some posted Vision times on DragTimes http://www.dragtimes.com/Victory--Vision-Drag-Racing.html
Goldwing on DragTimes http://www.dragtimes.com/Honda-Gold-Wing-Timeslip-12820.html
None of those times on DragTimes are us, but Carl and Lloyd are represented.
Ronnie
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| A friend of mine just bought a 2012 HD Ultra. Put in 255 cams, stage 2 kit and exhaust. Smiled like a cat eating a canary when he told me this,said I wouldn't stand a chance as the Harley dealer told him he would putting 110 hp on the ground. I didn't say a word but I did outrun him and fairly easily. He swears I've been into the motor. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Strange, most of the Harley people I know say it's not about horsepower and speed, but then they can't tell me what it's really about. So I guess I just don't know... |
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| I assure you most Harley people would love more horsepower,they simply know the cost and don't want to spend the money. I don't blame them.
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | rdbud,
Thank you for providing a direct answer to a direct question, and your real world experiences pretty much confirm my seat of the pants estimates and guesses. I really wanted to know about the VISION times/speeds.
I don't care about Milwaukee Middle busters other than to hope that NHRA changes specs to stop V&H from owning PRO BIKE which is becoming what PRO STOCK was a few years ago, an opportunity to visit the blue room and tour the fuel pits, in other words --BORING. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | PC-V, VM-1 cams, Lloyds top filter, CFR slip on pipes and tuned by Lloyd down in Daytona got me the 115.5 HP and 117.3 TQ.
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | kris1956 - 2012-10-26 6:37 AM
A friend of mine just bought a 2012 HD Ultra. Put in 255 cams, stage 2 kit and exhaust. Smiled like a cat eating a canary when he told me this,said I wouldn't stand a chance as the Harley dealer told him he would putting 110 hp on the ground. I didn't say a word but I did outrun him and fairly easily. He swears I've been into the motor.
Just tuned a bike with a very similar set up. His original exhaust had him at 95/107. Changing to a thunder header moved him to 107/112. So he may be a bit stronger then you think |
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Jasper, MO | kevinx - 2012-10-26 9:05 AM
kris1956 - 2012-10-26 6:37 AM
A friend of mine just bought a 2012 HD Ultra. Put in 255 cams, stage 2 kit and exhaust. Smiled like a cat eating a canary when he told me this,said I wouldn't stand a chance as the Harley dealer told him he would putting 110 hp on the ground. I didn't say a word but I did outrun him and fairly easily. He swears I've been into the motor.
Just tuned a bike with a very similar set up. His original exhaust had him at 95/107. Changing to a thunder header moved him to 107/112. So he may be a bit stronger then you think
I like to be informed when bench racing. Peak numbers are one thing, power bands are another. What does the torque curve look like on that thing? At what RPMs does it cross over and back below 100 FT/LBs? What's his rev limit?
Ronnie
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Orlando, FL | You guys crack me up. If you realy want HP. top speed and performance, get a Busa or a Busa Killer. |
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Jasper, MO | MaddMAx2u - 2012-10-27 9:52 AM
You guys crack me up. If you realy want HP. top speed and performance, get a Busa or a Busa Killer.
You don't get it. We've been there, done that. Now all of us aging former crotch rocket riders ride baggers and tourers, but we still have the old competitive spirit. We have just as much fun at half the speed and are a lot more comfortable while doing it.
I built and raced drag bikes in my younger days, as did some of my friends. My Goldwing riding buddy and I even owned a dyno together. We were quite successful at it and lived on the dragstrip for several years. Now, we like to go places, but we still have to see who can beat who sometimes. Keeps the blood circulating. BTW, the Goldwing rider you see me mention from time to time still has a 9.90 class Suzuki. Is that fast enough? He rides his Goldwing pretty good too. He took second place at the all bike drags last year on that Goldwing, by virtue of breaking out in the final round. His Suzuki was down so he took the Goldwing. (ET racing). I sold all my fast stuff. Been there, done that.
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Columbus, Ga | Im the type of guy that likes driving a Lincoln Towncar that will run low 10's at the strip while listening to the stereo and sipping on a slurpee. Thats why I love my vision. Comfort and power. |
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Lansing, MI | eagle - 2012-10-28 4:04 PM
Im the type of guy that likes driving a Lincoln Towncar that will run low 10's at the strip while listening to the stereo and sipping on a slurpee. Thats why I love my vision. Comfort and power.
HA HA! That gave me a great image in my head! HA HA HA HA!!!! 
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Gilroy, Ca | I just like being faster than the hd guys on my land yacht |
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| kevinx - 2012-10-26 9:05 AM kris1956 - 2012-10-26 6:37 AM A friend of mine just bought a 2012 HD Ultra. Put in 255 cams, stage 2 kit and exhaust. Smiled like a cat eating a canary when he told me this,said I wouldn't stand a chance as the Harley dealer told him he would putting 110 hp on the ground. I didn't say a word but I did outrun him and fairly easily. He swears I've been into the motor. Just tuned a bike with a very similar set up. His original exhaust had him at 95/107. Changing to a thunder header moved him to 107/112. So he may be a bit stronger then you think He is running Thunderheader exhaust. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | rdbudd - 2012-10-26 12:00 PM
kevinx - 2012-10-26 9:05 AM
kris1956 - 2012-10-26 6:37 AM
A friend of mine just bought a 2012 HD Ultra. Put in 255 cams, stage 2 kit and exhaust. Smiled like a cat eating a canary when he told me this,said I wouldn't stand a chance as the Harley dealer told him he would putting 110 hp on the ground. I didn't say a word but I did outrun him and fairly easily. He swears I've been into the motor.
Just tuned a bike with a very similar set up. His original exhaust had him at 95/107. Changing to a thunder header moved him to 107/112. So he may be a bit stronger then you think
I like to be informed when bench racing. Peak numbers are one thing, power bands are another. What does the torque curve look like on that thing? At what RPMs does it cross over and back below 100 FT/LBs? What's his rev limit?
Ronnie
Thing is a BRUTE across the bottom, but starts falling apart at 4200. Down to about 80FtLb when it hits the limiter at 6K |
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Jasper, MO | Thanks Kevin. That's about what I expected. Given the gearing and the RPM drops between shifts, that 110 horsepower Harley will be no match for a 110 horsepower Victory in a drag race. The Harley will be out of its powerband after the 1-2 shift, if shifted at 5500 or 6000 RPM. I'll bet it's lots of fun just putting around on though. Passing 55 MPH traffic in 5th gear up to about 85 MPH, probably feels pretty good on it too.
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Peru, IN | kevinx - 2012-10-29 11:57 AM
Thing is a BRUTE across the bottom, but starts falling apart at 4200. Down to about 80FtLb when it hits the limiter at 6K
That's what I want. All the power down low. My last 3 or 4 bikes have had a higher rpm powerband (like the Vision) and I still can't get used to it. (Probably some sort of mental issue. :D ) |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Monkeyman - 2012-10-30 1:07 AM
kevinx - 2012-10-29 11:57 AM
Thing is a BRUTE across the bottom, but starts falling apart at 4200. Down to about 80FtLb when it hits the limiter at 6K
That's what I want. All the power down low. My last 3 or 4 bikes have had a higher rpm powerband (like the Vision) and I still can't get used to it. (Probably some sort of mental issue. :D )
Not gonna happen with a 4 valve motor, unless you up the compression. |
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