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Cruiser Posts: 188 | Arkainzeye - 2012-06-25 10:32 AM Kelvininin - 2012-06-25 9:49 AM Thinking about this more... The argument about the OM states to follow legal speed limits is weak at best. There is a big difference between operating a vehicle above the posted speed limit and applying equipment to a system that wasn't designed to work with said system. For example. A car tire weighs more than a motorcycle tire, sometimes significantly more, by mounting a CT into on to a motorcycle, one is changing the unsprung mass of that portion of the motorcycles suspension system. Changing the unsprung mass of any suspension system can and will have a negative consequence on the suspension system as a whole. For starters one can expect premature suspension component wear, wheel chatter, unpredictable handling, and possibly even sudden loss of control in some rode conditions. The other thing to consider is most CT have a tread depth twice or more than a MT. This extra tread depth will allow for unanticipated lateral movement in turns as the tread flexes on the reduced sidewall contact patch in the turns. I can't see that as being a positive thing. Of course the Darksiders argument will remain "you have to try it to appreciate it." No actually one doesn't have to "try" it to appreciate it. All one has to really do is appreciate the amount of effort, and understand how systems work to appreciate it, or in this case, dismiss it as something one does not need to try. And I agree, this is no Myth, thus there is no Myth to bust. This is about less than 1% of all motorcycle riders wanting to save a few bucks, handling, reliability, and safety be damned. But really, if you really wanted to save a few bucks, there are much cheaper bikes out there as opposed to Victory. The other argument that all motorcycles use to have car tires... Have you seen the car tires of that said era? Said tires of that era actually resemble modern motorcycle tires as opposed to modern car tires. my good year assurance fuel max weighs 17lbs. so your saying a 180/60r-16 E3 is ALOT less weight than 17lbs? and will cause my suspension to break down? Does anyone know what a New E3 weighs? When i had my good year assurance in my hand it felt NO heavier than the dunlop i was taking off... i guess the past 7 years of me riding the darkside on 3 different bikes, i must have been cheating death the 3 times i rode us129 (dragon) and the 16 states i rode through.. I bet if i didnt trade those bikes in with the car tire i would have surely went down in flames with in a few weeks.. My buddy on his GoldWing with over 80000 miles of darksiding, is probably going to crash any day now.. i should probably say good bye now while he is still around.. i wonder how many rear suspensions he went through since he was using a car tire.. I bet his drive shaft is ready to snap any day now.. for all the guys doing the Darkside with only a few thousand miles you better go back to the MC NOW!! do NOT pay any attention to the decades of people using car tires on their bikes. and never ever listen to someone that has tens of thousands of miles on a car tire.. they are Lieing.. its all myth! If someone has like my buddy 80000 miles and 95% of those were with a car tire.. its B.S. it CAN NOT BE TRUE. because he shouldnt be alive. so that fact that he is alive and did Not go down in flames only proves he is lieing about using a car tire for all those miles... magazines with legal depts proven this... it CAN NOT BE DONE.. please save everyone you see with a car tire! you will be a Saint by saving a life! Ahh I love it... Using the "legal department" argument to discount hundreds and thousands of man hours for R&D, testing, development, more testing, working with the vendor, quality control, working with wheel designers, more testing... This whole argument reminds me of the events leading up to the Challenger explosion. Oh sure, every other launch was just fine, so this one launch a cooler temp, even though there was no data of the o-ring failures at the cooler temps, everything should be just fine... Its not the if, its then when. If the "when" never comes for you, great! For me, and many others, saving a few bucks to compromise safety, handling, and reliability isn't enough. You have your friend with 1000000000000000000000 miles on his GW with a car tire, and I have my friend with the lightsided Geo Metro who laps the lead car in the Indy 500 while getting 300 mpg! | ||
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Cruiser Posts: 188 | sgiacci - 2012-06-25 11:27 AM Kelvininin - 2012-06-25 9:49 AM Thinking about this more... The argument about the OM states to follow legal speed limits is weak at best. There is a big difference between operating a vehicle above the posted speed limit and applying equipment to a system that wasn't designed to work with said system. For example. A car tire weighs more than a motorcycle tire, sometimes significantly more, by mounting a CT into on to a motorcycle, one is changing the unsprung mass of that portion of the motorcycles suspension system. Changing the unsprung mass of any suspension system can and will have a negative consequence on the suspension system as a whole. For starters one can expect premature suspension component wear, wheel chatter, unpredictable handling, and possibly even sudden loss of control in some rode conditions. The other thing to consider is most CT have a tread depth twice or more than a MT. This extra tread depth will allow for unanticipated lateral movement in turns as the tread flexes on the reduced sidewall contact patch in the turns. I can't see that as being a positive thing. Of course the Darksiders argument will remain "you have to try it to appreciate it." No actually one doesn't have to "try" it to appreciate it. All one has to really do is appreciate the amount of effort, and understand how systems work to appreciate it, or in this case, dismiss it as something one does not need to try. And I agree, this is no Myth, thus there is no Myth to bust. This is about less than 1% of all motorcycle riders wanting to save a few bucks, handling, reliability, and safety be damned. But really, if you really wanted to save a few bucks, there are much cheaper bikes out there as opposed to Victory. The other argument that all motorcycles use to have car tires... Have you seen the car tires of that said era? Said tires of that era actually resemble modern motorcycle tires as opposed to modern car tires. Until you show use some facts (yawn) or are willing to take this debate to a group that has the resources to review this matter, than your droning is nothing but diatribe. And like wise sir. The very fact the manufactures see no value in this pursuit speaks the loudest to me. | ||
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Visionary Posts: 3773 Pittsburgh, PA | Im glad you werent named Christoper Columbus 500+ years ago, or i wouldnt be riding to sturgis in 2 weeks! (im joking)... | ||
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Tourer Posts: 401 | Kelvininin - 2012-06-25 3:17 PM sgiacci - 2012-06-25 11:27 AM Kelvininin - 2012-06-25 9:49 AM Thinking about this more... The argument about the OM states to follow legal speed limits is weak at best. There is a big difference between operating a vehicle above the posted speed limit and applying equipment to a system that wasn't designed to work with said system. For example. A car tire weighs more than a motorcycle tire, sometimes significantly more, by mounting a CT into on to a motorcycle, one is changing the unsprung mass of that portion of the motorcycles suspension system. Changing the unsprung mass of any suspension system can and will have a negative consequence on the suspension system as a whole. For starters one can expect premature suspension component wear, wheel chatter, unpredictable handling, and possibly even sudden loss of control in some rode conditions. The other thing to consider is most CT have a tread depth twice or more than a MT. This extra tread depth will allow for unanticipated lateral movement in turns as the tread flexes on the reduced sidewall contact patch in the turns. I can't see that as being a positive thing. Of course the Darksiders argument will remain "you have to try it to appreciate it." No actually one doesn't have to "try" it to appreciate it. All one has to really do is appreciate the amount of effort, and understand how systems work to appreciate it, or in this case, dismiss it as something one does not need to try. And I agree, this is no Myth, thus there is no Myth to bust. This is about less than 1% of all motorcycle riders wanting to save a few bucks, handling, reliability, and safety be damned. But really, if you really wanted to save a few bucks, there are much cheaper bikes out there as opposed to Victory. The other argument that all motorcycles use to have car tires... Have you seen the car tires of that said era? Said tires of that era actually resemble modern motorcycle tires as opposed to modern car tires. Until you show use some facts (yawn) or are willing to take this debate to a group that has the resources to review this matter, than your droning is nothing but diatribe. And like wise sir. The very fact the manufactures see no value in this pursuit speaks the loudest to me. I have, but it would seem you don't know who the US Department of Transportation is. Manufactures are such great resources for our safety concerns, and they have been so dependable about testing. If it wasn't for government regulations (back to the US Department of Transportation people) manufactures would happily kill more people than they already have just to make a buck. Lets list some of those great things big companies have done for us: The grand daddy of them all is Winston Salem (yea I now it isn't car or bike related), knowing that cigarettes caused cancer and are highly addictive, hid those findings, telling us that cigarettes are the great social thing to do - how many millions did they kill, and how many billions did they make? Yes they did do the testing, and that is why they can now be held accountable in court. The automobile industry refused to implement safety devices until Nader publicized Unsafe at Any Speed, and the US DOT (that is short for Department of Transportation) stepped in and instated regulations. Let's not forget what a great job Ford and Firestone did with their testing SUV rollovers, how many people had to die and how many lawsuits did it take before they and Ford did something about it? How about the exploding Pintos and Crown Victorias? Chevy's engines breaking away from the frames, and they knew about the problem 2 years before the recall. Ford seatbelts detach in crashes, and the funny part is that this happened in the 70s. Back then there wasn't any regulation to wear a seatbelt. GM's collapsing tailgates, and this one I experienced personally. When the cables failed on me I was still recovering from a motorcycle crash (that bike has a motorcycle tire on it), and the tailgate slammed my busted leg. Luckily I had a one of those new removable casts on, and it took most of the impact. Why hasn't the US DOT banned the use of car tires on motorcycles??? Now grow a pair, and take this debate to the Mythbuster forum or are you afraid that you could be proven wrong? Edited by sgiacci 2012-06-26 8:34 AM | ||
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Cruiser Posts: 188 | sgiacci - 2012-06-26 6:32 AM Kelvininin - 2012-06-25 3:17 PM sgiacci - 2012-06-25 11:27 AM Kelvininin - 2012-06-25 9:49 AM Thinking about this more... The argument about the OM states to follow legal speed limits is weak at best. There is a big difference between operating a vehicle above the posted speed limit and applying equipment to a system that wasn't designed to work with said system. For example. A car tire weighs more than a motorcycle tire, sometimes significantly more, by mounting a CT into on to a motorcycle, one is changing the unsprung mass of that portion of the motorcycles suspension system. Changing the unsprung mass of any suspension system can and will have a negative consequence on the suspension system as a whole. For starters one can expect premature suspension component wear, wheel chatter, unpredictable handling, and possibly even sudden loss of control in some rode conditions. The other thing to consider is most CT have a tread depth twice or more than a MT. This extra tread depth will allow for unanticipated lateral movement in turns as the tread flexes on the reduced sidewall contact patch in the turns. I can't see that as being a positive thing. Of course the Darksiders argument will remain "you have to try it to appreciate it." No actually one doesn't have to "try" it to appreciate it. All one has to really do is appreciate the amount of effort, and understand how systems work to appreciate it, or in this case, dismiss it as something one does not need to try. And I agree, this is no Myth, thus there is no Myth to bust. This is about less than 1% of all motorcycle riders wanting to save a few bucks, handling, reliability, and safety be damned. But really, if you really wanted to save a few bucks, there are much cheaper bikes out there as opposed to Victory. The other argument that all motorcycles use to have car tires... Have you seen the car tires of that said era? Said tires of that era actually resemble modern motorcycle tires as opposed to modern car tires. Until you show use some facts (yawn) or are willing to take this debate to a group that has the resources to review this matter, than your droning is nothing but diatribe. And like wise sir. The very fact the manufactures see no value in this pursuit speaks the loudest to me. I have, but it would seem you don't know who the US Department of Transportation is. Manufactures are such great resources for our safety concerns, and they have been so dependable about testing. If it wasn't for government regulations (back to the US Department of Transportation people) manufactures would happily kill more people than they already have just to make a buck. Lets list some of those great things big companies have done for us: The grand daddy of them all is Winston Salem (yea I now it isn't car or bike related), knowing that cigarettes caused cancer and are highly addictive, hid those findings, telling us that cigarettes are the great social thing to do - how many millions did they kill, and how many billions did they make? Yes they did do the testing, and that is why they can now be held accountable in court. The automobile industry refused to implement safety devices until Nader publicized Unsafe at Any Speed, and the US DOT (that is short for Department of Transportation) stepped in and instated regulations. Let's not forget what a great job Ford and Firestone did with their testing SUV rollovers, how many people had to die and how many lawsuits did it take before they and Ford did something about it? How about the exploding Pintos and Crown Victorias? Chevy's engines breaking away from the frames, and they knew about the problem 2 years before the recall. Ford seatbelts detach in crashes, and the funny part is that this happened in the 70s. Back then there wasn't any regulation to wear a seatbelt. GM's collapsing tailgates, and this one I experienced personally. When the cables failed on me I was still recovering from a motorcycle crash (that bike has a motorcycle tire on it), and the tailgate slammed my busted leg. Luckily I had a one of those new removable casts on, and it took most of the impact. Why hasn't the US DOT banned the use of car tires on motorcycles??? Now grow a pair, and take this debate to the Mythbuster forum or are you afraid that you could be proven wrong? So now that I have dismissed your personal opinion arguments, your legal department arguments, you are now going to make this a "big corporation argument." Are you that desperate to justify skimping on maintenance on a $20K bike? Again, there is no myth to bust. A CT is not designed to be used in place of a MT, and as such will never, ever, in a million years, out perform the rubber specified for a motorcycle. Since this isn't a myth, its truth, I can't even say "myth busted" because there is no myth. As far as the DOT is concerned. You the owner are putting car tire on your bike assuming all liability for a potential accident, personally. DOT doesn't tell owners of the products what to do, they tell the makers. DOT also doest not design, they leave that work the experts, the makers. But mathematically darksiders represent less than 1% of all motorcycle riders... Accidents evolving darksiding are such an statistical insignificance, it won't even pop up on DOTs radar. Unlike darksiding the Pinto, GM's saddle mount tanks, the rolling over explorers, ect, ect, ect, represented a much larger statistical representation of that segments cross section, making the situations with said products statistically significant. Plus these were the manufacturers mistakes. Why don't you just admit you care more about saving a buck than the actually handling of your bike, and the potential extra wear and tear to the suspension components? I still blows my mind that you actually think you know more than the engineers and designers who put these products together. I am all about tinkering, but I tinker to improve the ride, not sacrifice it to save some money. Edited by Kelvininin 2012-06-26 9:59 AM | ||
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Tourer Posts: 500 | Both you guys have way too much time on your hands.......Let it go and move on!!!!!! JMHO | ||
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Visionary Posts: 2118 Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | mathematically darksiders represent less than 1% of all motorcycle riders... Accidents evolving darksiding are such an statistical insignificance, it won't even pop up on DOTs radar. Unlike darksiding the Pinto, GM's saddle mount tanks, the rolling over explorers, ect, ect, ect, represented a much larger statistical representation of that segments cross section, making the situations with said products statistically significant. Plus these were the manufacturers mistakes. Why don't you just admit you care more about saving a buck than the actually handling of your bike, and the potential extra wear and tear to the suspension components? I still blows my mind that you actually think you know more than the engineers and designers who put these products together. I am all about tinkering, but I tinker to improve the ride, not sacrifice it to save some money. That's the BEST of this whole discussion. Over my years of biking, I have read a number of articles by TIRE ENGINEERS who all said "Don't do it !!!" - and I would rather believe an 'expert' than someone who has 'tried it and it works'. Bike manufacturers would put them on new bikes if there was ANY real improvement over properly designed bike tires (other than 'mileage'). But they don't. And there is no 'conspiracy' among the makers in case you still believe the moon landing was a hoax.
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Visionary Posts: 3773 Pittsburgh, PA | sgiacci - 2012-06-26 8:32 AM Kelvininin - 2012-06-25 3:17 PM sgiacci - 2012-06-25 11:27 AM Kelvininin - 2012-06-25 9:49 AM Thinking about this more... The argument about the OM states to follow legal speed limits is weak at best. There is a big difference between operating a vehicle above the posted speed limit and applying equipment to a system that wasn't designed to work with said system. For example. A car tire weighs more than a motorcycle tire, sometimes significantly more, by mounting a CT into on to a motorcycle, one is changing the unsprung mass of that portion of the motorcycles suspension system. Changing the unsprung mass of any suspension system can and will have a negative consequence on the suspension system as a whole. For starters one can expect premature suspension component wear, wheel chatter, unpredictable handling, and possibly even sudden loss of control in some rode conditions. The other thing to consider is most CT have a tread depth twice or more than a MT. This extra tread depth will allow for unanticipated lateral movement in turns as the tread flexes on the reduced sidewall contact patch in the turns. I can't see that as being a positive thing. Of course the Darksiders argument will remain "you have to try it to appreciate it." No actually one doesn't have to "try" it to appreciate it. All one has to really do is appreciate the amount of effort, and understand how systems work to appreciate it, or in this case, dismiss it as something one does not need to try. And I agree, this is no Myth, thus there is no Myth to bust. This is about less than 1% of all motorcycle riders wanting to save a few bucks, handling, reliability, and safety be damned. But really, if you really wanted to save a few bucks, there are much cheaper bikes out there as opposed to Victory. The other argument that all motorcycles use to have car tires... Have you seen the car tires of that said era? Said tires of that era actually resemble modern motorcycle tires as opposed to modern car tires. Until you show use some facts (yawn) or are willing to take this debate to a group that has the resources to review this matter, than your droning is nothing but diatribe. And like wise sir. The very fact the manufactures see no value in this pursuit speaks the loudest to me. I have, but it would seem you don't know who the US Department of Transportation is. Manufactures are such great resources for our safety concerns, and they have been so dependable about testing. If it wasn't for government regulations (back to the US Department of Transportation people) manufactures would happily kill more people than they already have just to make a buck. Lets list some of those great things big companies have done for us: The grand daddy of them all is Winston Salem (yea I now it isn't car or bike related), knowing that cigarettes caused cancer and are highly addictive, hid those findings, telling us that cigarettes are the great social thing to do - how many millions did they kill, and how many billions did they make? Yes they did do the testing, and that is why they can now be held accountable in court. The automobile industry refused to implement safety devices until Nader publicized Unsafe at Any Speed, and the US DOT (that is short for Department of Transportation) stepped in and instated regulations. Let's not forget what a great job Ford and Firestone did with their testing SUV rollovers, how many people had to die and how many lawsuits did it take before they and Ford did something about it? How about the exploding Pintos and Crown Victorias? Chevy's engines breaking away from the frames, and they knew about the problem 2 years before the recall. Ford seatbelts detach in crashes, and the funny part is that this happened in the 70s. Back then there wasn't any regulation to wear a seatbelt. GM's collapsing tailgates, and this one I experienced personally. When the cables failed on me I was still recovering from a motorcycle crash (that bike has a motorcycle tire on it), and the tailgate slammed my busted leg. Luckily I had a one of those new removable casts on, and it took most of the impact. Why hasn't the US DOT banned the use of car tires on motorcycles??? Now grow a pair, and take this debate to the Mythbuster forum or are you afraid that you could be proven wrong? get this when i first went to the dark side back in like 07 i asked a bunch of questions before i wasted the money.. 1) asked the PA inspection place i go to if i was even allowed to do this and yet Pass inspection.. he said he honestly didnt know.. lol so he said he would contact them and find out.. a few days later he told me that.. under pa inspection law the only thing a tire must have is a D.O.T. stamping on the sidewall. there was No rule about a car tire Not being allowed on the wheel. But then the guy told me you might want to make sure your insurance company would cover you if you got into a accident (even if not my fault) i called Nationwide who i had at that time and they said they had NO rules against a brand or Type of tire.. then the insurance company fell back on the Inspection station saying, IF the it passes PA state inspection it met their requirements.. Since then i have been with geico progressive and now state farm and i contacted each of them, so i do Not want to avoid my coverage all for a tire.. and each of them said the same thing.... if it passes PA inspection it met their requirements... side note in PA, they failed me years ago for having turn signals that were not only too small but TOO CLOSE t the brake light.. so Pa can be picky... They also can fail you if you inspection Plate (accessory for your sticker) is Not welded or Riveted to the bike.. When i first went to the dark side on my kawasaki vulcan 2000 i thought it was the craziest thing i ever heard of and i was nervous.. after i did it, i laughed about how nervous i was about something i Never tried before.... | ||
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Visionary Posts: 3773 Pittsburgh, PA | donetracey - 2012-06-26 11:11 AM Bike manufacturers would put them on new bikes if there was ANY real improvement over properly designed bike tires (other than 'mileage'). But they don't. And there is no 'conspiracy' among the makers in case you still believe the moon landing was a hoax. ? Hell, Lloyds cams are an improvement in power and would give Victory bragging rights over even GoldWings for Hp and Ftlbs at the rear wheel. But Victory doesnt do that even though that would be a improvement. are Lloyds cams a BAD idea because they didnt come stock from the factory and Victory doesnt recommend them to their customers? Lloyd is a master mind with Vics is he wrong because the Manufacture doesnt use cams "Hotter" Cams? point being the Manufacture is in business to make as much profit as possible. Look at over the years some of the car companys that were cheap with their parts.. Or how about this one, the Manufactures and Master Engineers that design AND TEST cars only to have Recalls later.... Hell we have a toyota that had a recall because the freaking gas pedal would stick!! the manufacture made that product and they passed the tested buy DOT for it to be sold to the public... what does that mean? Nothing.... i have about as much faith in the D.O.T. as the people that made my gas pedal stick, of the defective Honda V6 transmission that is going through a law suit because you can seize in on the interstate and be killed.. they all were designed by highly educated people, by Big name companies! And we trusted them just the same. So basically if the manufacture makes it its "Safe" ? yeah right.... if that was the case we would have no lemon laws but hey... i could be wrong.... =) | ||
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Cruiser Posts: 188 | Your logic is flawed. Lloyd doesn't have to worry about one thing that Victory does... Emissions. Victory has to tune its bikes to meet emission and maximize power within what the EPA says the bike is allowed to pump out its tail pipe. This has resulted in the picky closed loop fuel injection, detuned engines, cat cons, ext. Lloyd is a master of unlocking the potential that Victory put into the engines but limits due to the EPA. In fact if cars and trucks didn't have to abide by EPA standers, they would get better miles and produce more power, a lot better mileage and more power. Just like everything else, the emissions equipment is paid for is horsepower, some times as much as a 20-30% of total power output. Are you fucking kidding me? Recalls happen. They happen on everything man made. An auto maker, making a mistake and owning up for it still isn't the same as someone replacing critical safety equipment just to save a few bucks, completely neglecting the hundreds of thousands of hours put into developing and implementing products. Maybe I will do that same if I ever get into an accident. Those pesky airbags are expensive, and after all, the folks that designed them don't know what they are doing. In fact if I ever have to replace an air bag, I will do so with a hefty bag, a quarter stick of dynamite, and just hang the detonator off the front bumper. Sounds like a plan and should only cost a few hundred bucks ranter than a few thousand... Let me know when you darksiders actually have a legitimate excuse to compromise your bikes rideability to save a few bucks. All thats offered are lame excuse to skimp on maintenance of a $20K bike. | ||
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Visionary Posts: 3773 Pittsburgh, PA | Do you mean compromise rideability like the youtube videos of a goldwing wth a car tire Riding so fast in the turns the other bike with a camera could barely keep up with him? It does sure looks like his riding wasnt compromised... I wonder why he didnt go down in a ball flames? I wonder why the motorcycle with a motorcycle tire could not keep up with him? According to the people that have never tried a car tire on bike a motorcycle tires for superior in every possible way.. the funniest part of the darkside talks are. the people who NEVER done it have the strongest opinions. Meanwhile this has been done for decades.. (not weeks or months) Decades... lol reminds me of the people that knew the earth was flat and said you were crazy for thinking other wise... I wonder what ever happened to that guy that dared to think outside of the box.... it could always come down to this.. if you dont like the darkside.. guess what... Dont do it... lol i think its really that simple. but for someone to say it cant be done and you will die trying it is funny.. meanwhile the people on this board have TENS of Thousands of miles on the very tire people said would end them.. all because some engineer didnt recommend it.. Edited by Arkainzeye 2012-06-26 1:34 PM | ||
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Visionary Posts: 8144 New Bohemia, VA | Just because a skilled rider on ct bike can outrun a not-so-skilled rider on mt bike, doesn't make the bike or tire superior. | ||
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Tourer Posts: 500 | This silly-ass debate over rear tires is a riot....Far more BS than the stuff Romney and Obama are slinging at each other!!!! | ||
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Cruiser Posts: 188 | Arkainzeye - 2012-06-26 11:28 AM the funniest part of the darkside talks are. the people who NEVER done it have the strongest opinions. This is because we are one: Not so cheap that we are willing to sacrifice, rideability, reliability, and safety to save maybe a grand or two over the life of the bike. And two: We are not stupid enough to actually justify it in our own heads. So laughable. Hey I saw it on a youtube video so it must be true! Certainly youtube counts as solid, undeniable, indisputable, statistically significant, calibrated instrument collected data. Amazing... Please, keep digging your whole. | ||
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Cruiser Posts: 188 | opas ride - 2012-06-26 11:45 AM This silly-ass debate over rear tires is a riot....Far more BS than the stuff Romney and Obama are slinging at each other!!!! No doubt!! I found the shit flies the furtherst when you can't back up your claims. Oh By the way, I was getting 350 mpg on my lightsided F150 this morning! Fucking amazing! I should have done this years ago. I have't have to put gas in my truck for the past two months! I should make a youtube video of it so that I have solid statistically significant data! Edited by Kelvininin 2012-06-26 2:28 PM | ||
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Visionary Posts: 3773 Pittsburgh, PA | SO BASICALLY yous saying the youtube video was all studio tricks then? I mean this guy on this goldwing flying through the dragon with a motorcycle behind him was probably actually hired by the car tire people to promote the use of a car tire on a motorcycle.. LOL gotta love the people that say it cant be done even through they see it being done... Like a goldwing rider in my group.. he said there is no way you can handle the devil triangle in ohio with a freaking car tire. well i lead the ride (two up) and afterwards he wouldnt look me in the eyes. its hard for people to learn the world is not flat.. i understand that now. but back to the youtube car tire people.. Is there any way i could PLEASE get in on some of that Corp goodyear tire money you guys are getting from posting your videos on youtube? comeon share.... | ||
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Cruiser Posts: 188 | Arkainzeye - 2012-06-26 12:25 PM SO BASICALLY yous saying the youtube video was all studio tricks then? I mean this guy on this goldwing flying through the dragon with a motorcycle behind him was probably actually hired by the car tire people to promote the use of a car tire on a motorcycle.. LOL gotta love the people that say it cant be done even through they see it being done... Like a goldwing rider in my group.. he said there is no way you can handle the devil triangle in ohio with a freaking car tire. well i lead the ride (two up) and afterwards he wouldnt look me in the eyes. its hard for people to learn the world is not flat.. i understand that now. but back to the youtube car tire people.. Is there any way i could PLEASE get in on some of that Corp goodyear tire money you guys are getting from posting your videos on youtube? comeon share.... Don't get me wrong... I am not saying it can't be done (car tire on a motorcycle). I am just saying I am not such a cheap fucking bastard that I am going to compromise my own safety, those around me, as well as the ability of my bike, potential reliability and longevity of my bike, just to safe a few bucks. Plus I fully appreciate that care tire was not only not designed to be put into motorcycle duty, but also the bead mounting surface areas are entirely different. A care tire has less that 1/3 the bead mounting surface area on a motorcycle rim, when compared to the motorcycle tire. Much like the space shuttles challenger's ill fated launch, its not "if", its "when." Just like with everything else when someone tries to force something into a duty it wasn't designed for, its only a matter of time before something goes wrong. Hows that saying go? Oh yeah... Use the right tool for the right job. | ||
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Iron Butt Posts: 623 | donetracey - 2012-06-26 11:11 AM mathematically darksiders represent less than 1% of all motorcycle riders... Accidents evolving darksiding are such an statistical insignificance, it won't even pop up on DOTs radar. Unlike darksiding the Pinto, GM's saddle mount tanks, the rolling over explorers, ect, ect, ect, represented a much larger statistical representation of that segments cross section, making the situations with said products statistically significant. Plus these were the manufacturers mistakes. Why don't you just admit you care more about saving a buck than the actually handling of your bike, and the potential extra wear and tear to the suspension components? I still blows my mind that you actually think you know more than the engineers and designers who put these products together. I am all about tinkering, but I tinker to improve the ride, not sacrifice it to save some money. That's the BEST of this whole discussion. Over my years of biking, I have read a number of articles by TIRE ENGINEERS who all said "Don't do it !!!" - and I would rather believe an 'expert' than someone who has 'tried it and it works'. Bike manufacturers would put them on new bikes if there was ANY real improvement over properly designed bike tires (other than 'mileage'). But they don't. And there is no 'conspiracy' among the makers in case you still believe the moon landing was a hoax. ? It's called job security. Do you really expect anyone in any business to promote using a 99.00 part over a 269.00 part??? Let me guess you buy victory bike cleaner and oil filters too??? | ||
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Cruiser Posts: 188 | jeffmack - 2012-06-26 12:39 PM It's called job security. Do you really expect anyone in any business to promote using a 99.00 part over a 269.00 part??? Let me guess you buy victory bike cleaner and oil filters too??? DING DING DING!!! We have another winner! | ||
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Visionary Posts: 3773 Pittsburgh, PA | jeffmack - 2012-06-26 2:39 PM donetracey - 2012-06-26 11:11 AM mathematically darksiders represent less than 1% of all motorcycle riders... Accidents evolving darksiding are such an statistical insignificance, it won't even pop up on DOTs radar. Unlike darksiding the Pinto, GM's saddle mount tanks, the rolling over explorers, ect, ect, ect, represented a much larger statistical representation of that segments cross section, making the situations with said products statistically significant. Plus these were the manufacturers mistakes. Why don't you just admit you care more about saving a buck than the actually handling of your bike, and the potential extra wear and tear to the suspension components? I still blows my mind that you actually think you know more than the engineers and designers who put these products together. I am all about tinkering, but I tinker to improve the ride, not sacrifice it to save some money. That's the BEST of this whole discussion. Over my years of biking, I have read a number of articles by TIRE ENGINEERS who all said "Don't do it !!!" - and I would rather believe an 'expert' than someone who has 'tried it and it works'. Bike manufacturers would put them on new bikes if there was ANY real improvement over properly designed bike tires (other than 'mileage'). But they don't. And there is no 'conspiracy' among the makers in case you still believe the moon landing was a hoax. ? It's called job security. Do you really expect anyone in any business to promote using a 99.00 part over a 269.00 part??? Let me guess you buy victory bike cleaner and oil filters too??? AMEN!!! also noticed do you think a motorcycle mag or anything else motorcycle related would promote a product or Type of product that would hurt the sales of the very people that PAY to advertise with them? Not to many good year car tire ad's in motorcycle mags these days.. (dont bite the hand that feeds you) . | ||
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Visionary Posts: 8144 New Bohemia, VA | Living in the world of "wink, wink, nod, nod" is such a wonderful place. | ||
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Cruiser Posts: 188 | AMEN INDEED!!! It's a racket I tell ya... Just completely and totally neglect the fact that a car tire was never designed to be used on a motorcycle, roll on to its side walls, the seating bead areas are different from a CT to MT, in fact the bead mating areas don't line up well at all, a car tire weighs more, there are plenty of youtube videos out there to prove it works, and all the experts from both the tire and motorcycle manufactures say don't do it... And you are in! A cheap bastards replacement for a real motorcycle tire. It rides like crap, handles like crap, corners like crap, but its cheap! | ||
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Visionary Posts: 2027 Brighton, TN | Yeah, my only injection to a hotly contemptable bunch, would be the ride quality. Currently using Dunlop E3 and will do so, because i am able to remove my hands and steer anywhere i want to go nust by shifting weight. Nice sweepers no problem, it handles smoothly with minimal input. I like that feature. What i understand about a car tire is more input and not as easily no hands manuevering. Me. NO likey that idea | ||
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Visionary Posts: 3773 Pittsburgh, PA | A cheap bastards replacement for a real motorcycle tire. It rides like crap, handles like crap, corners like crap, but its cheap! and you would know this from what experience? oh thats right you have NO experience.. lol also just noticed something related to Myth busters... myth busters debunked the myth about using a cellphone at a gas station pump.. But yet even after the debunking the DOT and Federal gov Ban you for using a cellphone at a gas station while your pumping fuel. My local gas station even has a sign that says they are allowed to turn the pumps OFF if you dont follow the rules.. so who is right and who is wrong? does the DOT actually know what they were talking about related to the cellphone useage at the pumps? Did myth busters PROVE its all B.S.? and if it is B.S. you can still get in trouble by not following the rules they made that were proven false in the first place.. | ||
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Cruiser Posts: 188 | The best part about this is you guys get so damned worked up about it... A slow day at work for me results in a shit ton of entertainment for many... Oh and of this afternoon, my lightsided truck is now getting 450 mpg!!! Amazing. I will make a youtube video so you know it will be true. Edited by Kelvininin 2012-06-26 4:19 PM | ||
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