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Litchfield Park, AZ | atvtinker - 2012-06-04 11:42 PM
A couple of years ago while riding over to Hoover Dam, the temperature was 114 degrees and I just happened to look down at my temperature dipstick and it was reading 230 degrees. It probably wouldn't have been that high if it weren't for the fact we were crawling behind traffic to get down to the dam. I'm not sure at what temp our oil goes bad but I'm pretty sure 230 wasn't good for it.
230 degrees is low.....not high. Semi-synthetics will not start breaking down due to heat until the high 2's. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | I agree 230 is Nothing to worry about at all.. 300F is another story.
http://www.amsoil.com/video/amsoil_information_series_videos.aspx |
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Cruiser
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Lavon, TX | I installed a Spal 5.2in push fan on the front of the oil cooler on my Vision, controlled by a switch in the spare socket on the dashboard. In stop-n-go traffic situations, or for parades, I can switch on this fan in order to drop my oil temps. I am using the dipstick oil gauge - normally, the bike runs just over 200degF. Once I see my temp creeping up around 230 or so, I switch on the fan and can drop my temp about 20deg. |
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Grand Cane, LA | Charbin, I thought about doing the same thing about the fan thing after that ride, but haven't tried to find a suitable fan. Where did you get the Spal if you don't mind me asking? |
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Cruiser
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Lavon, TX | SPAL VA31-A101-46S 5.2inch 12V Push Fan / 30103013.
$59.99 + $8.95 shipping at http://www.a1electric.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_...
I used a 5A fuse. Installed with three zip ties (with wire bread-ties as backup).
Recently ordered another one to put on my wife's 2008 Vegas Low, for the same reasons.
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | charbin - 2012-06-05 10:34 AM
SPAL VA31-A101-46S 5.2inch 12V Push Fan / 30103013.
$59.99 + $8.95 shipping at http://www.a1electric.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_...
I used a 5A fuse. Installed with three zip ties (with wire bread-ties as backup).
Recently ordered another one to put on my wife's 2008 Vegas Low, for the same reasons.
I'd lose the bread twisties as they have a steel wire as a core and that's a chaffe/potential shorting point, go instead with strips of VELCRO hook/pile to make soft but 'stay put' wraps that can be made pretty snug.
I'd hate to read that your bike shorted out and became a burnt offering to the motorcycle gods in the middle of BFE. |
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Lavon, TX | I was referring to the attachment of the plastic fan shroud to the front face of the oil cooler - it has mounting holes located at the 2, 6, and 10 o'clock positions along its extremity. My concern (as warned at the Spal website) is that relying solely on nylon zip ties for attachment could prove dangerous. This danger was confirmed when I found that, over time, the 6 o'clock nylon tie became so brittle that it had broken and I had to replace it (that's when I added the wire ties as a metal backup). I am now considering replacing with three of those aluminum chainlink fence ties to better secure the fan to the edges of the oil cooler. I surely don't want the fan dislodging... |
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| Use two zip ties they are strong then you think and if you buy some good ones I dought they would get brittle and break. I have some good ones from Harley you can have |
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| Amazon has a temperature gun for $21.95 I would think buying and do a read of your motor when weather is low and when weather is hot would tell you a lot. http://www.amazon.com/HDE-Temperature-Infrared-Thermometer-Laser/dp...
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Pittsburgh, PA | When the fan is Not switched on would it be actually Blocking air to the fins? |
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Lavon, TX | Not at the speeds that I travel... |
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| OK so I stopped in to talk to the A-Team while I was in Veags last weekend and they had a bike getting a cooler make over. The desert cooler package is 2 aluminum/fin coolers that mount to the rear of the bike behind the exhaust (really cool set-up). Using this set up also ups your oil capacity to 6 quarts because of oil lines that now will run to the rear of the bike and back to the motor.They also recommeded losing the cat and those two changes get the temps down into the 160-170 range in the heat of summer.The only thing dummy me forgot to ask was what else needs to be changed to loose the cat's I can see that helping get rid of heat but not sure on the pressure/performance loss. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | im glad i dont live in the deep south where this heat is such a issue.. =( |
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Tucson, AZ | Not that I doubt it will work, but I live in Tucson, ride everyday, no matter what the temp is and have never had a Vision overheat. Harleys now is a different story, but thats why I now ride a Vision. I have to think that Victory used the test facility up near Phx. at some point in time for heat management during development of the motor. I just really hate seeing people spend money that is not truely needed. So with that I'll pose a question...Has anybody ever over heated a Vision to the point of engine problems?
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New Bohemia, VA | good question, I won't say I've taken it too the limit, but I've had that little tempature dipstick gage run over 300 degrees. It didn't like it and wanted to keep popping and cutting off. But with 117,900 miles on the bike with no oil usage or smoking, I'll say, "not me". |
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Pittsburgh, PA | wow 300F sounds like parade riding!! i had my 08 get between 250F-275F once. I got caught in construction on I79 in pittsburgh. but once i got through it with in 10 miles the temp went to 205F. |
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| Arkainzeye - 2012-06-12 1:26 AM wow 300F sounds like parade riding!! i had my 08 get between 250F-275F once. I got caught in construction on I79 in pittsburgh. but once i got through it with in 10 miles the temp went to 205F.
Same here - got stuck in bumper to bumper traffic going up a slight grade with temps at 100 degrees. As soon as I got back up to highway speed temp dropped down to normal. yes i could have lane split, legal here in Calif, but I chose not to do that. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Everytime I see this post I think of some biker drink... I think I'll have an oil cooler.... |
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Iron Butt
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Peru, IN | 230 is fine on most air cooled bikes. Hell, the Twin Cam Harleys run above 300 sometimes. On the other hand, alot of them don't last 80k miles.  Still, I don't think 230 should be a problem. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| I got my Desert Packaged installed at the A-Team shop in Las Vegas and have ridden it in 116F temp for 500 miles home to Arizona. It never went over 220F and today it was 101F and never went over 190F. It didn't scorch the hair off my leg. They install two Russell Transmision coolers and heat wrap the pipes and install a Power Commander and dyno tune it. It runs strong and great. Be sure to see it next month in the Thunder Press for pictures. It uses 7 qts of oil. You remove the oil using the drain plug on the motor and too drain the coolers just disconnect one of the rear oil cooler lines. Will give more efficiency data as I put on more miles. |
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Central Maryland | texasgrumpy - 2012-06-12 2:58 PM
OK so I stopped in to talk to the A-Team while I was in Veags last weekend and they had a bike getting a cooler make over. The desert cooler package is 2 aluminum/fin coolers that mount to the rear of the bike behind the exhaust (really cool set-up). Using this set up also ups your oil capacity to 6 quarts because of oil lines that now will run to the rear of the bike and back to the motor.They also recommeded losing the cat and those two changes get the temps down into the 160-170 range in the heat of summer.The only thing dummy me forgot to ask was what else needs to be changed to loose the cat's I can see that helping get rid of heat but not sure on the pressure/performance loss. Could you take a picture and post it? I'd love to see how they installed it.
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| rhino4 - 2012-06-18 11:26 PM
I got my Desert Packaged installed at the A-Team shop in Las Vegas and have ridden it in 116F temp for 500 miles home to Arizona. It never went over 220F and today it was 101F and never went over 190F. It didn't scorch the hair off my leg. They install two Russell Transmision coolers and heat wrap the pipes and install a Power Commander and dyno tune it. It runs strong and great. Be sure to see it next month in the Thunder Press for pictures. It uses 7 qts of oil. You remove the oil using the drain plug on the motor and too drain the coolers just disconnect one of the rear oil cooler lines. Will give more efficiency data as I put on more miles.
Could you post pics for willtill I did not get any in Vegas they did not have everything mounted on the bike they had in for an install. That was one question I didn't ask them was about the need for a power commander since they do the other changes I figured that was needed. |
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| I didn't get any pics they had just started on the install and nothing was mounted up |
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Pittsburgh, PA | i just saw a article on the toyota prius 3Gen. I was curious how it works, and in one of the explainations they described the Importance of the engine getting as quickly as possble to Full operating temp.. They actually use the exhaust to help "warm" the engine up faster. They explained it as 1) saves fuel by the engine being at operating temp, and then 2) Helps the over all health of the engine by burning off condensation which if not burned off and can shorten the oils life and be corrosive to the engine.
i noticed something about my vision.. i have a oil temp dipstick. My ride into work is 12 miles. On my ride in the morning my temp doesnt even get above 150-160. Thats not normal operating temp.
Edited by Arkainzeye 2012-06-19 8:18 AM
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Puddle Jumper
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| HI texasgrumpy that was my bike A-Team was working on installing the two extra coolers. It works great. I drove it home to south/eastern AZ an it never got over 210 on a 108F day at 80-90mph. I really like it. Installed a power commander V and removed the cats an run Amsoil at 7 qts. Runs great!!!! |
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