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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | I officially declare that as of July 26, 2011, Victory Motorcycles is just another bike maker trying hard to be HD. No one has managed that to date. With the future demise of the Vision, Victory is no longer a contender. They no longer stand out from the crowd. They are just another in a bunch of wannabe's
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, Va | good two cents but I'm not giving up too soon. Victory is dependable and innovative, there is only so much you can do with two wheels and a motor, so there will aways be similarity. |
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Iron Butt
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Central New York | I would love to know why everyone is always predicting "the future demise of the Vision". Is there any logical reason why any company would discontinue it's largest seller, it's breadwinner? At this point in time they have no reason to tweak it, other than color changes to identify a "new" vehicle. Maybe someday in the future, when sales begin to slip, they will make some cosmetic and functional upgrades to cast a line hoping to hook some Vision owner upgrades. Why should having a winner like the Vision preclude a company from going after the other guys sales? Why wouldn't they start a line of HD look-a-likes? If that endeavor turned a profit I wouldn't be surprised to see a 'Wing' look-a-like. Going after the other guys market doesn't have to mean you have given up on your own. 
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| If I wanted to have a h-d ,I'd bought one ! if I wanted to advertize for h-d I'd bought thier shirts and other stuff! ?but since I saw ,rode and bought a Vision I don't have that first regret ! As now when I ride and pass a h-d I usually get a thumbs up,or a good jester type greeting. I would have to guess with that means they like it too. I would think in todays hardships that a company would not want to loose any profit and stop making the best bike for the money,but guess I 'm a little bias on the subject ! But if you ever rode a Vision how could you not be? I just hope that Victory will start getting some more afforable clothing out ! One thing I've learned --it takes a long time to invent and to get it perfected,it take alot less time to copy it. ! |
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Before the demise predictions go crazy I have one question: Does anyone have hard numbers showing how many Visions vs Cross Countries were sold in the past two years ?? |
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Cruiser
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Cedar, Michigan | I think you are correct, Victory is no longer a contender. Contender for what? They make great bikes and are innovative in so many ways I couldn't list them all here. Contender? No, they are the standard, at this point, in American made bikes. HD will likely always be HD and have it's flock of sheep. I think you will never see any bike company that has a following like HD, now I would never own one but they do have a loyal flock. |
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | XR, +1 I would love to see some numbers. But I'd be willing to bet that the XC-CC numbers kill the Vision. When I bought my VV 8 Ball in March I walked into a number of dealers. Most had more XC-CC than Visions. You could surmise that the Visions are flying out the door but I doubt it. I think the XC CC is winning the numbers game big time. In Daytona during bike week I saw a LOT of guys that were obviously HD riders test riding the XC. Didn't see one of them testing the Vision.
I love my Vision. Glad I got it. But I see where Vi misses the mark in so many places of opportunity. Ex. My congratulatory letter for buying a Vision letter offered me accessories for the XC and CC! Huh? What? Someone else on this post mentioned shirts and stuff. Didn't see much in the dealers I visited. These are only a couple of misses. Victory could be so, so much more. But when you keep missing the little things.........
And while I think the LE is a fantastic addition, it's the ONLY bike in that class that turns my head. I think the XC Tour's lower leg fairing is just FUGLY. I'm looking forward to seeing it in person in hopes that it looks better. The LE as well as the XC CC were built to steal the HD riders. I bet the LE sells out quickly. Not too sure about the rest. |
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Visionary
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| MaddMAx, go buy your HD and be done with it. I will even give you 2 cents so you won't have to whine you got short changed.
How many Victorys have you owned? So you registered on this site 3-11 and you already know Victory will collapse. Maybe you should go back and see how far they have come in 13 years. Yeah, that would mean doing something besides whining. You could have done a search and found the newbies that have said the same thing each year.
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Visionary
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| I love my vision but I think victory it self sucks. Very poor presentation of the 2012.
They could of done some changes like LED's compass different exhaust tips changed the look of the grips.
There starting to save money by putting the same wheels from the cross bikes on the vision but my not change the forks so there all the same if they want to save money.
I will not even go into clothes or accessories.
You just watch there going to put a big effort into that Indian that only five guys out of a thousand would buy.
I don't see a reason to sell my 08 and get a 2012 I'm very disappointed. |
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Iron Butt
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Central New York | john frey - 2011-07-27 1:54 PM I love my vision but I think victory it self sucks. Very poor presentation of the 2012. They could of done some changes like LED's compass different exhaust tips changed the look of the grips. There starting to save money by putting the same wheels from the cross bikes on the vision but my not change the forks so there all the same if they want to save money. I will not even go into clothes or accessories. You just watch there going to put a big effort into that Indian that only five guys out of a thousand would buy. I don't see a reason to sell my 08 and get a 2012 I'm very disappointed. +1 I looked over the 2012 on the web site and concluded the same. The bright side is John, the longer they go without making changes, the longer our 2008 holds it's value. I still hold with my previous post in that they won't change anything until their sales numbers indicate a need to do so. After all, the tooling is long since paid for, any unit produced now is gold in the pocket. Anyway, my '08 could well outlast me.
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Yes, there are things I would change too, but I'm not a Victory/ Polaris mangement person. I'll just keep my 2008 Vision and make small changes I see fit, make it into a bike I'll keep along time..........
Edited by XRsteve 2011-07-27 1:23 PM
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Cruiser
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Cabot Arkansas | I am glad they didn't screw with the Vision.... I LOVE THE WAY IT LOOK"S NOW.The most comfortable easist riding motorcycle I have ridden in over 40 years of riding.All the cross bikes look like another hd wanna be to me,and I can't stand that big black honking frame in the front of the engine looks like a radiator to me.
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Iron Butt
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Central New York | I think the 2012 Cross Tour looks more like a Yamaha Royal Star than an HD. |
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | The fairing is similar looking to the yamaha in pictures not so much in person. It'a a good looking bike, but I still like my V better....... |
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Tourer
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| XC vs. Vision? If you want to see proof, go to the AVR. Visions everywhere. Discontinue the Vision? Seriously? 20 million dollar investment and 5 years of development. Dump the best selling bike from 2008-2010? I'll believe the Vision will be discontinued when............ Never mind I don't believe it will happen. I fully expected the cross bikes to take over. Those bikes are aimed at a much larger market. The cross bikes are what the majority of people are looking at. Don't believe me, check what harley models are selling the best. The vision is a smaller market and attracts primarily non h-d. I see more Visions today that I did two years ago. The appeal for the bike is growing. Everyone knows it was a love it or hate it when the bike first came out. I hear more and more people say they didn't like the Vision when it first came out, but it has grown on them and now they like it. |
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Cruiser
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| I love how people bitch and moan about a company that is making all the rest stand up and take notice!!! We have the best made and the best looking bikes on the road!! I will never own anything else. Blister |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | well the myth about 2012 being a NO more year for the vision was B.S. lol |
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Cruiser
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Iowa | Given the economic environment businesses are dealing with, taking this step now on the x bikes needed to happen. All the energy from the consumer was on this bike last year. They needed to ride the wave and capitalize on the market. This is where they could be the most nimble. The Vision stands alone and delivers to it's segment. We have all said at one time or another the Vision is a bike you love or hate from a design feature. These bikes are still moving and defining Victory. My .02 cents. |
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | Hey RedRider, I never said I wanted an HD. Already have one in my garage. And I never said I didn't like my Vision. Or that I regretted the purchase. After a few bumps I'm happy overall. And I have prolly been around bikes longer and owned more than you will ever have. So kiss off! My opinion is that Vic is saying a slow goodbye to the Vision. The handwriting is on the wall. Wish I was wrong. Now go learn to read handwriting before you start slamming me.
And what's this? You don't reveal YOUR bike? Do you actually have a bike? A Schwinn perhaps? And where are you located in there world. Ohhhhh, I see, you're just a pozer hiding behind his (or HER) computer. Pedal faster Red, pedal faster.
Edited by MaddMAx2u 2011-07-27 7:29 PM
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | And yea, trying to emulate another company's product just makes Vic another of many in the herd. That's why no one, not even Indian will ever out flank HD. The Vision makes Victory stand out in a sea of many. If that goes..........
Edited by MaddMAx2u 2011-07-27 7:25 PM
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Puddle Jumper
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| IndyVision - 2011-07-27 5:56 PM
XC vs. Vision? If you want to see proof, go to the AVR. Visions everywhere. Discontinue the Vision? Seriously? 20 million dollar investment and 5 years of development. Dump the best selling bike from 2008-2010? I'll believe the Vision will be discontinued when............ Never mind I don't believe it will happen. I fully expected the cross bikes to take over. Those bikes are aimed at a much larger market. The cross bikes are what the majority of people are looking at. Don't believe me, check what harley models are selling the best. The vision is a smaller market and attracts primarily non h-d. I see more Visions today that I did two years ago. The appeal for the bike is growing. Everyone knows it was a love it or hate it when the bike first came out. I hear more and more people say they didn't like the Vision when it first came out, but it has grown on them and now they like it.
Have to agree with IndyVision and could not have said it better. The Cross series was geared toward a different niche group. The Vision has little if any competition. Call it "too futuristic" or whatever, but it has done very well. Until someone else competes with it, it will survive cuz it is damn near bulletproof after 5 years of mods. Vic now needs to mod the XC and meet their customers wants and desires. I can't tell the different from one H-D going down the road from another H-D. See a Vic rolling down the road, it turns heads and peeks folks interest. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, Va | digger1 - 2011-07-27 9:14 PM
IndyVision - 2011-07-27 5:56 PM
XC vs. Vision? If you want to see proof, go to the AVR. Visions everywhere. Discontinue the Vision? Seriously? 20 million dollar investment and 5 years of development. Dump the best selling bike from 2008-2010? I'll believe the Vision will be discontinued when............ Never mind I don't believe it will happen. I fully expected the cross bikes to take over. Those bikes are aimed at a much larger market. The cross bikes are what the majority of people are looking at. Don't believe me, check what harley models are selling the best. The vision is a smaller market and attracts primarily non h-d. I see more Visions today that I did two years ago. The appeal for the bike is growing. Everyone knows it was a love it or hate it when the bike first came out. I hear more and more people say they didn't like the Vision when it first came out, but it has grown on them and now they like it.
Have to agree with IndyVision and could not have said it better. The Cross series was geared toward a different niche group. The Vision has little if any competition. Call it "too futuristic" or whatever, but it has done very well. Until someone else competes with it, it will survive cuz it is damn near bulletproof after 5 years of mods. Vic now needs to mod the XC and meet their customers wants and desires. I can't tell the different from one H-D going down the road from another H-D. See a Vic rolling down the road, it turns heads and peeks folks interest.
None of really know the bottomline, but the words on this years model from Mother Victory says it is moving the Vision down and the Cross bikes up. Albeit, the Vision does attract and it has a strong following but we don't work at corporate do we? Now, again, I'd love to see the Vision in the 2020 line up. And for anyone who feels Indian will have any influence on the Vision, forget it. We have to understand they are totally seperate in market fields which neither will likely steal from the other. Actually, I see it going the other direction where you'll have an Indian and a Vision in one garage, that is more likely to happen.
The Vision has done nothing wrong at all, and back to a statement I made nearly 4 years ago, it doesn't matter if they made another Vision, I got mine. |
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Tourer
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seattle, wa | As long as everyone is showing their disappointment for Victory I will chime in also, what's with the flames and tribal paint?? Didn't that go out of style a few years ago? Might as well put some skulls on it while you are at it.
But seriously, you can't get a new bike every year. The Vision has only been out for 4 years and I am pretty darn happy with it the way it is. You want bigger bags? go buy a XCountry or a Wing. I can carry all I need in the saddlebags and either a duffle bag or wear a backpack.
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Cruiser
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Davenport, IA | Victory may be just another bike company, but a good one. I can't blame a company going after the market most bikers are looking at. It's only good business. Yes, indeed the Cross Bikes took over as their number one seller, so why not make it better and invest in what's moving at the moment and ride that wave! I also am one that didn't like the Vision when it first came out, and agree with many of you that it grows on you. It grew on me to the extent that I bought one! Also, I am not a follower like most HD owners. I like to be different, so I bought a different bike. I am getting all the looks. If I wanted a bike that looks like all the millions of others, I would have bought an HD. After owning my Victory Vision and talking with all the other Victory owners I have come in contact with, there was not one unhappy Victory owner. They were all proud of their bike, not to mention loyal to the brand and would purchase another in a heart beat.
The introduction of the 2012 lineup shows the price tag on the CC Tour to be what the Vision was last year. And now the SRP on the Vision went down 3 grand! My prediction is that the Vision sales will pick up. Price drives sales and this is a fantastic value! With the amount of Visions on the street now, and still gaining notoriety, it would be a big mistake that this great bike would be dropped from the line up. I am a proud owner. As a new company being in business producing motorcycles for only 13 years, they are producing a great american made product. Keep up the good work Victory!!!!!! |
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Cruiser
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Arizona | It's no surprise that Victory is ramping up their offerings in the cross bikes. While scaling back the choices in the other models. The masses have spoken. Which are the cross bikes. Many have complained about the cross bikes having buffeting and lack of wind protection, and they came out with the cross country tour. Which addressed those concerns head on and corrected.
Now we're butt hurt because the Vision hasn't been fully redesigned? Really? What the hell is wrong with the current models? The bag size, How much crap do you need to carry really. If you know how to pack a bike, it's really not an issue. Some of those cross bikes are getting loaded so heavy that they fall over. At least from what I read. My Vision sure as heck doesn't do that! I'm also pleased that ABS will be standard on all touring models. That's great news.
The vision has some new color choices, and is priced lower than last year. Doesn't mean that is going away. What it does mean, the cross bikes are the hotter ticket and they have gone up in price! Hello Mc-Fly! The good old supply and demand rule.....
What I haven't read on this post is someone commenting on the state of the economy! Why would you radically change certain models in times of uncertainty? That's just bad business. Especially if ain't broke, then don't fix it attitude. I'm a little rummy, running on lack of sleep, but I hope you get my point.
Good Job Victory! |
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