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New Bohemia, Va | what turned out to be about 3rd in strange sequence of events, I was following my wife home from her son's house when she hit a deer. We were on one of those long narrow back roads of virginia in between their place and ours and she was in her PT Cruiser, I on my Vision. I saw it on the side of the road, and as I do for myself most of the time I asked to stay put, but no... it wasn't the Vision, it was the PT so it didn't listen. Out it came in 2 leaps and I was looking for some trailers, fortunately there were none. It came across and disappeared in front of her, she sees it and she hit her brakes to slow, but too late. It struck the right side of the car and kicked the fender as it struggled into the field. The last I saw of it, it had tried to leap with it's front legs, but the back legs was incapacitaed and it just fell to the ground. We went down the road a ways and pulled off. At first it didn't look like any damage, but the radiator was leaking. Being close to home I told her just to take it to the house.
I called the claims office which they started the claim to get it fixed and authorized a rental car. When I told her I was following on the bike the lady said "you instinctively look out for them don't you?" "Yes ma'am".
Within the next hour we got some bad news from the family in SC and decided we would go there Sunday, taking her son and his wife in the Jeep, I rode the bike. After we get down there, today we realize we need to get the rental, so now the wife can come home on her own and leave the Jeep with the son. So what looked to be a bad situation turned out to be a good situation before we even knew it.
I believe in Providence.
Though I missed Rolling Thunder, I met two of the GA chapter members on the road and thanked them for the cause that I support. I also got to see my beautiful daughter and some beautiful NC countryside when I ditched I-95 and hit 301. No one to pass and no one riding my ---.
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Lexington Park MD | Glad everyone was ok and the damage will be covered by your insurance. Sucks that you had to miss Rolling Thunder though but I'm sure you were there in spirit. I normally ride up with the Chiefs from Southern Maryland but other things got in the way this year as well.
The only time I ever hit a dear was when I was 16 in my first car ('77 Concours). Dang thing made it across the road so I started accelerating again when it decided to turn around and run back in front of me  Put a hole in the radiator and I needed to replace the right quarter panel; grill and a few other odds and ends.
Saturday I went for a ride on a back road I know pretty well. I was coming up to an area I've seen dear in plenty of times before so I slowed down a bit. About the time I was nearing a BMW heading the other way a doe ran out between us. We both slowed more waiting for others to follow but they never did; gave each other a wave and continued on our way. Dear can pop up in a heart beat.
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| Geez, count your blessings.... again! BTW, what time of day did the deer event occur? I'm doing an East Coast ride starting Friday for a month on the road and I've been thinking about your furry friends. Fortunately in my neck of the woods they're a bit rare so I don't have a ton of experience with them. I always heard they were particularly prevalent in the early morning and dusk which is why I'm asking. Actually I smacked one on an FJR in Washington in 2005. The bike was a mere 5 days old. It broke my fairing and one of the bags but I was able to stay up. The deer didn't do so good. 
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New Bohemia, Va | you have to watch for them almost all the time, but late at night they seem to be the worst. Even on and around the interstate and populated areas they like to roam. They've seem to increase here in the last few years. Not trying to scare, but be very vigilent, to me they are the Great Whites of the highway, they strike hard and fast out of nowhere. Play your radio loud, it seems to help. Let me know when you roll up I-95.
I'm glad you survived your hit, you've experience with them, I don't, except in a car.
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centrel Minnesota | Ya the deer are active , I had the unfortiant experiance of watching a friend this weekend hit a deer and go down hard . He should be out of the hospital today with a broken leg. could have been alot worse. |
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Flowery Branch Ga | Here in N.E. Ga. They are everywhere. Got a 6 head herd that runs around in my nieghborhood. They are getting less scared of traffic. If you see them grazing on the side of the road move over a little and they will stay put. In my experience it's the ones that pop out of no where that cause the problems, not the ones you see grazing.
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | And don't rush out to the parts store to buy deer whistles! they have no effect if you stop and think about it. You on the bike are travelling faster than sound travels, the 'whistles' exhaust out the back so they might work to keep you from being rearended by an over taking deer (I didn't know a deer could go 65 MPH!). Deer tend to be most active before to about 2 hours after sunrise and about the same in the evening from about 2 hours before sunset until after dark.
You might be surprised to know that white tails do live in cities if you have a greenbelt that three blocks deep, you have deer, they are becoming long legged rats in some places, I used to sit on the hanger ramp outside of the aircraft repair place I worked @ in Everett, WA. around sunset and watch the coyotes chase the rabbits and the deer around on the grassy areas of the field (this is the same field where the 747/767/777/787 are built.
Best advice, keep your Vulcan squinties peeled, stay aware of the shoulder of the road, and try not to be on the road during the times that deer are most active, and right around now there are lots of fawns being hatched and they really have no vehicle awareness. Watch the pavement, if you start seeing lots of purple-ish 'spills' on the pavement, those were deer that met a Kenworth so be on your toes!!
If you're riding in a group, try to ride towards the back or ride drag.
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| I hate when deer decide to commit suicide. 2 have done it to me. 1 in my van and one in my old S-10. Thank goodness it's an act of God and they can't(don't) go up on the insurance.
I remember riding out West and they had BIG billboards with warnings of antelope or whatever they call them out there doing 55mph. O.o Some billboards informed you of free range cattle. No deer but.... |
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North Orange County CA | SYNSTR - 2011-05-31 8:13 AM
And don't rush out to the parts store to buy deer whistles! they have no effect if you stop and think about it. You on the bike are travelling faster than sound travels, the 'whistles' exhaust out the back so they might work to keep you from being rearended by an over taking deer (I didn't know a deer could go 65 MPH!). .
Just to clear up the record - the speed of sound is 768 mph. If your Vision is moving that quick then, you sir are a monster, and I salute you! 
As to the efficacy of deer whistles, I will leave that to experts, but their effectiveness (or lack there of) has little to do with a vehicles ability to outrun the sound.
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | What I meant was, air flows into the whistle from the front and exits out the back (unless you put them on backwards, in which case they attract the deer) so, unless the deer are attempting to outflank you from the rear (that would be the 65 MPH deer I referred to earlier), the 'noise' generated by the whistles NEVER gets heard by the deer you might be approaching and last I heard you cannot bend sound, making them absolutely worthless as a pest controller as all the sound is now well behind your present location--present location---present location so, while they might irritate those riding behind you (if their hearing is that accute) they do nothing, plus any 'noise' created by the whistles would be blanked out by all the slipstream air scrub, engine noise and tire noises coming off the bike,(and if the noise and fuss created by 100,000# of well lit tractor/trailer has no effect, how much effect do you think you create?) none of which seem to register on a stupid deers brain as' dangerous to you' as there never seems to be a shortage of dead deer on the roads, and why lots of 18 wheelers now sport deer bars, now imagine hitting a 1300 pound, 7 foot tall Elk standing in the road- |
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New Bohemia, Va | I was told whisles attrack deer, they want to give them a toot!  |
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Midlothian, Va. | deer whistles are are sold in stores right next to the snake oil. |
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North Orange County CA | SYNSTR - 2011-05-31 9:57 AM
What I meant was, air flows into the whistle from the front and exits out the back (unless you put them on backwards, in which case they attract the deer) so, unless the deer are attempting to outflank you from the rear (that would be the 65 MPH deer I referred to earlier), the 'noise' generated by the whistles NEVER gets heard by the deer you might be approaching and last I heard you cannot bend sound, making them absolutely worthless as a pest controller as all the sound is now well behind your present location--present location---present location so, while they might irritate those riding behind you (if their hearing is that accute) they do nothing, plus any 'noise' created by the whistles would be blanked out by all the slipstream air scrub, engine noise and tire noises coming off the bike,(and if the noise and fuss created by 100,000# of well lit tractor/trailer has no effect, how much effect do you think you create?) none of which seem to register on a stupid deers brain as' dangerous to you' as there never seems to be a shortage of dead deer on the roads, and why lots of 18 wheelers now sport deer bars, now imagine hitting a 1300 pound, 7 foot tall Elk standing in the road-
I hear you! LOL. I'm pretty sure that the deer do as well, regardless of whether or not you have a whistle. Their tiny little brains just react as tiny little brains often do - instinctively.
Which is good if you are hunting them, but lousy if they happen to decide to occupy the same space, at the same time as your vehicle.
I count myself lucky that my only encounter with deer/vehicle interaction was in a rental car. Other wildlife is an different story entirely. |
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Camas Washington | Synstr is correct. My parents lived in Port Ludow WA and I live in SW Washington. One thing those of us in the PNW know is that the "deer whistle" can actually do more harm. Deer do hear them at times, when they do it tends to startle them and they will freeze and not move, not good if they are in the road at that time. I live in an area called deer alley, back country curve mountain road were there are as many deer as birds, not kidding. Dusk and dawn are the worst times. When you are in a area that is know for deer the only rememdy is going slow and keeping your eyes peeled to the sides. |
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | So, what you're telling us is, If deer dressed better but kept their tiny brains and instinctive habits, anyone of them could be elected as my next Senator or Representative?
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | I do know a nasty and irritating trick you can pull on your ex using a pea type whistle (referees), some flat black paint, and 5 minute epoxy. |
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North Orange County CA | SYNSTR - 2011-05-31 11:55 AM
So, what you're telling us is, If deer dressed better but kept their tiny brains and instinctive habits, anyone of them could be elected as my next Senator or Representative?
I don't know whether to be assured or amazed
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| SYNSTR - 2011-05-31 12:57 PM
What I meant was, air flows into the whistle from the front and exits out the back (unless you put them on backwards, in which case they attract the deer) so, unless the deer are attempting to outflank you from the rear (that would be the 65 MPH deer I referred to earlier), the 'noise' generated by the whistles NEVER gets heard by the deer you might be approaching and last ...
Apparently, you have a VERY fast bike which can travel at the speed of sound so your bike is obviously faster than mine (or anybodies for that matter). FYI - In order to "outrun the whistle", you would have to be traveling faster than 768MPH so your "logic" is flawed but your story IS funny
However, having identified one fallacy in your postulation, I am willing to grant you that the noise a bike makes "most likely" would cancel out any "noise" that such a device would generate so I can not see any practical use for them on a bike (unless you cruise in neutral for extended stretches on roads populate by deer)...LOL
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New York State | I had my Vision 5 days and hit a 200lb deer at about 30mph picked up the deer on the headlight the hip came around and broke right leg but I never lost control just $3000.00 in broken plastic. |
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | GADS but I just love people who can only think from the bottom of the trench never trying to get up on the sides to see what might be funny, you're putting way to much thought into this So, to simplify it EVEN MORE-is it not well within the realm of truth that if something is making noise but facing aft while making that noise so that the noise is exiting to the rear, the chances that the noise that object is making stands zero chance of being heard well in front of the object making that noise?
And, by the way, this part (about what Mach 1 is @ Sea Level) was coverd by TARPITS about 6 hours ago-I'm sort of like George Carlin was, most of the time, I just think funny shit. |
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| I have never been accused of thinking "from the trenches". The fact that the noise is made behind an object does not matter, it STILL travels at those speeds so unless your going faster than the speed of sound, you can STILL hear noise being generated "in the rear" from the front.
BTW - Steve Wright is far funnier than is Carlin. I use to like Carlin in the old days but his act grew dated quickly IMHO
Planes DO travel faster than the speed of sound so (obviously) you would see it before you heard it whereas a vehicle making a noise (even behind it) would still emanate that noise in all directions (not just rearward as presented)
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Lexington Park MD | SYNSTR - 2011-05-31 7:32 PM
GADS but I just love people who can only think from the bottom of the trench never trying to get up on the sides to see what might be funny, you're putting way to much thought into this So, to simplify it EVEN MORE-is it not well within the realm of truth that if something is making noise but facing aft while making that noise so that the noise is exiting to the rear, the chances that the noise that object is making stands zero chance of being heard well in front of the object making that noise?
And, by the way, this part (about what Mach 1 is @ Sea Level) was coverd by TARPITS about 6 hours ago-I'm sort of like George Carlin was, most of the time, I just think funny shit.
That's not what the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" crowd preaches 
However, sound is in the form of a wave. That wave is omni-directional in the air meaning it travels in ALL directions; just like the waves in a body of water if you drop a rock in it. The sound will be LOUDER behind the whistle (just like pipes) however you can still hear it in front (just like pipes). As for the noise being canceled out you gotta remember that all the noises are being generated at different frequencies. The deer whistles are touted as producing frequencies higher than humans can hear (though I've heard that some users report being able to hear them). If you really want to learn how sound travels this is a pretty good website that keeps it really simple to understand http://artsites.ucsc.edu/EMS/music/tech_background/te-01/teces_01.h...
Now as far as the original question - do dear whistles work - I wouldn't bet my life on them. They do sell electronic versions of the whistle that supposedly work BETTER than the air powered ones. However, there is no substantial proof that they do anything but make the manufacture money. |
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New Bohemia, Va | wow, what discussion. The whole point was to say Watch Out! Last night while taking care of things at my step-sons while they are in SC, I took the road that is more visible and less prone to roaming deer, since all I have to get around on is the bike. As I was on my way home I saw a deer standing on the side of the road pointed toward the road. With no traffic behind me I came to a stop and waited to see what it might do. Though it never came on the road, it went into a frenzy running around and even toward me sitting still until it stopped a bit further way from the road. Keep in mind, I'm stopped, I had the radio as loud as it will go, and it was randomly running around. That continues to prove to me that these beast are tottally unpredictable.
I wish I had the article from about 3 years ago when a motorcycle safety advocate and teacher that was generally well known died from a collision with a dear on the way home from a safety seminar. It was said by a friend of his that earlier that day he said that he could predict what the careless drivers will do on the highway and avoid their stupidity, but deer, they are too unpredictable and I'm afraid one day they'll get me.
Within a few months of that, another motorcycle safety advocate here in Virginia, I believe he was from Virginia Beach, also died from injuries sustain in a deer collision. I believe both these gentlemen had over 30 years of continual riding time, each.
So, with all the gadgetry out there to make it "safer" for you, there is only one that you can truly rely on, and that is ify, is your skill and attentiveness to your situation.
This has been a public service announcement from....
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Lexington Park MD | Cap'n Nemo - 2011-06-01 6:54 AM
I wish I had the article from about 3 years ago when a motorcycle safety advocate and teacher that was generally well known died from a collision with a dear on the way home from a safety seminar. It was said by a friend of his that earlier that day he said that he could predict what the careless drivers will do on the highway and avoid their stupidity, but deer, they are too unpredictable and I'm afraid one day they'll get me.
Ask and Yea shall receive
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06101/681096-122.stm
And from Rider Magazine
http://www.ridermagazine.com/output.cfm?id=1087183 |
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Jax, FL | When you enter the state of Maine, you see signs advising you to brake for moose, pretty good advice I thought to myself at the time. The first time I came across a moose on the road I realized how pointless that sign is. The FIRST thing you do is hit the brakes, HARD.
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