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Tampa, Fl United States | Installed a Bridgestone Potenza 019 Grid 195/55/16
I like it for the following reasons:
Wet Traction is 10x better
Stopping power is 2x better
Handling around corners takes just alittle to get use to,but it handles well
MY Question to Existing DarkSiders is what Tire Pressure are you Running???? |
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Alberta, Canada | I would be very interested in knowing how you arrived at those numbers??? My Dunlops stop amazing well and I can't imagine any tire stopping 10 time better!! |
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Alberta, Canada | Or even 2 times!! lol I still think you are all crazy running car tires on a bike!!! |
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New Bohemia, Va | Plumley - 2010-12-22 11:56 AM
I would be very interested in knowing how you arrived at those numbers??? My Dunlops stop amazing well and I can't imagine any tire stopping 10 time better!!
...it's easy Plumley, just say it and its true!  This statement alone "takes just alittle to get use to" tells me I'm very content with my E3's
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Alberta, Canada | There are a number of differences between motorcycle tires and car tires. These include speed ratings, the ratio of power to weight, contact of the tires with the road, and how long they last.
Tires for motorcycles are typically rated for higher speeds, unlike tires for cars. Most motorcycles are higher performance vehicles than cars are.
Motorcycle tires have a smaller contact footprint. This refers to how much of a tire is in contact with the ground. Because a motorcycle does not remain upright when cornering, a smaller portion of the tires must bear weight, compared to a car's tires. Also, a car's weight is distributed over four tires, while a motorcycle's weight is carried by only two tires.
For all the stated reasons, motorcycle tires are subject to more wear than car tires and do not last as long. A motorcycle owner can extend the life of his tires by observing the speed limit, maintaining correct tire pressure, not exceeding load limits, and avoiding quick acceleration and hard braking.
Read more: Motorcycle Tires Vs. Car Tires | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_7614927_motorcycle-tires-vs-car-tires.htm...
Read more: Motorcycle Tires Vs. Car Tires | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_7614927_motorcycle-tires-vs-car-tires.htm...
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orrick, mo | I run 36psi with the same tire.
Love the darkside and plan to stay there.
Don't knock until you've given it an honest and open minded try. |
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New Bohemia, Va | Personally, if that is what you want to ride, that's good for you and I'm happy for you. I doubt very seriously I will ever go darkside and most likely will never know what I'm missing. I've waited years to get a ride like the Vision has, I'm not willing to change anytime soon. When folks say that the darkside rides different, but you'll "get used to it" says it is not the ride I want.
Hope you ride many miles however you ride!
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, IA | Good god man all he asked about was psi not for some anti darkside tirade. And y would anyone run sunlike when Metz r 37.3456% better all the way around. Oh ya roflol
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | sonicbluerider - 2010-12-22 11:26 AM Good god man all he asked about was psi not for some anti darkside tirade I like the "TIREADE" better! Why not add a 3rd wheel for those days when motorcycling is not your thing. Or better yet - a FOURTH!!! Then you would have a nice dune-buggy. I have said this before (as have car tire manufacturers) - if car tires worked better on a bike - then new bikes would come with them. Believe what you want - you know, "toothfairy", "Santa", "RED is the fastest color" - all that stuff. |
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Tampa, Fl United States | sonicbluerider - 2010-12-22 2:26 PM
Good god man all he asked about was psi not for some anti darkside tirade. And y would anyone run sunlike when Metz r 37.3456% better all the way around. Oh ya roflol
Thank You "sonicbluerider"!!!
1st of all I notice people who knock it never tried it & all they can do is copy & paste links
I did my research on the Darkside, went over to gl1800riders.com (honda goldwing site,their front/rear tires are same size as ours)There is over 850 goldwings that went to the Darkside w/nothing but positve info & most said they wish they would have done it sooner & won't go back to a motorcycle tire!!!
Also I visited Youtube & was shown via video camera pointed to rear tire car vs motorcycle tire in turns (contact patch) & felt even more comfortable about the changeover
The 10x stopping power was obviously exaggerated (meant to mean a BiGGGGGGGGG difference)
Any time you make any change, whether its KevinX power package,aftermarket brake pads,shock setting, it all takes alittle time to get use to
Lets not make this an OIL controversy, don't add any NEGATIVE comments if you personally haven't tried it!!
Another thing I notice on a positive note is the bike likes to stay centered & feels (almost feels ,especially when coming to a stop I have built in tip overs) more stable at slow speeds & making U turns
Fred
PS-over 850 Goldwingers can't be wrong especially these type of people usually more conservative, safety consious, & older (usually have been riding longer)
All I ask to the DARKSIDERS the tire pressure
After only a few days & a few hundred miles on the DARKSIDE I won't go back to a motorcycle tire |
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Prairie Dog Heaven, CO | While in your original post you did ask for the tire pressure others are running, you also made - IMO fairly provocative, and not well backed up - statements the effect of which (i.e, getting comments) should not really surprise you.
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Corona, CA | I am one of those Gold Wing Darksiders. Check out the Darkside forum over at GL1800 riders. http://gl1800riders.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=31 I rode for a couple of years with the stock tire on and decided to buy an extra wheel to installed a Dunlop SP 3000 runflat on it and tried it to see if I liked it. ($103 delivered to my door !) I kept the old wheel and tire so in case I didn't like it I could go back.
I sold the old wheel and tire two weeks later.
Last summer we rode over 3000 miles in Yosemite, Sequoia's, King's Canyon and in the Rockies through Pikes Peak, Independence Pass, Rocky Mtn National Park with that tire on. LOTS of switchbacks at sometimes extreme grades and miles and miles and miles from nowhere. Did I mention NO FREAKING GARD RAILS at 12,000 ft + !
The ride was GREAT. I was running the CT at 32psi and it gives a ride that is so much more comfortable and stable. The additional piece of mind of having a run flat tire when you are riding way beyond road side help is comforting especially when you have the wifeal unit on board - a Glock 33 helps too ! I saw The Hills Have Eyes !!
The comments about the feel of the tire is correct. I have ridden this tire in the snow, sleet and rain through these rides and the stability in these conditions is great. I'm not an Iron Butt rider or a ride in the rain type - these are just conditions we got caught in.
On the Wing, it was an additional benefit in that you are held up straighter at stops. The Wing is very top heavy and with a short inseam of 30" you are challenged to keep it stable at low speeds and cornering especially when the wifey is flipping around in back of you taking pix ! This concern is eliminated with the car tire.
The ride is the same as an MC when slabbing it. Turning at slow speed requires a little more aggressive "tip in" to the turn but it's all very stable. You have 3 to 4 times the contact with the road with a CT than you do with a MC and in the turns you are AT LEAST the same - if not more than an MC. �The idea that a car is spreading out the load more so the CT can handle the weight is not correct. A 3000# car has (ideally) 1500# at each corner. The car tires are rated for much higher weight than 1500# so you are very safe in running it on the rear of a Vision that in the rear (ideally) you are running half the total weight. So the safety is there. As far as cornering - have you ever seen a car going through a turn ? The tire is rolling under to the side yet still has all the traction available or it wouldn't turn. The same happens on a Vision. We are not riding these big momma's on the chicken strips all day like the sport bikes.� � There are some VERY aggressive Wing riders in the Southeast that tear up the dragon all the time on their Wings with CT's. Again, check out the Darksiders forum above to see what this is all about.
Darksiders are getting 20000+ miles (and I mean 10K + depending on the riding style) on these tires without any reported problems.
When I went to the Darkeside I wondered why I waited. The difference was THAT dramatic. I am going to run out the MC tire on my 08 because it was new when I got the bike used but a CT is going on after that - probably before next summer as we have plans to go to South Dakota and Yellowstone. I don't want to be way out there without a runflat tire !
I agree with the comment above - don't knock it until you have ridden one !
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New Bohemia, Va | Are darksiders now a politically protected minority? |
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Bay of Gigs, WA | Heck, sometimes I think the Vision is more car than bike anyway, what with the temp, mileage, heated grips, seats, etc. Why not shoes too?
Last summer I had a new Metzler Marathon spooned on in Medford, OR when I discovered three cuts in the Dunlop while a long way from the house for a little under $300.00. Trust me on this, if I'd known about Honda Fit tires then, I'd have had a bit more cash to spend at the casinos along the road than I did, and I'd be expecting 60,000 miles to boot! |
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Bay of Gigs, WA | Now I just need to know what kind of oil to use when I go to the darkside.... => |
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Corona, CA | As far as side loading . . . 
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Tampa, Fl United States | turbobuick - 2010-12-22 3:23 PM
sonicbluerider - 2010-12-22 2:26 PM
Good god man all he asked about was psi not for some anti darkside tirade. And y would anyone run sunlike when Metz r 37.3456% better all the way around. Oh ya roflol
Thank You "sonicbluerider"!!!
1st of all I notice people who knock it never tried it & all they can do is copy & paste links
I did my research on the Darkside, went over to gl1800riders.com (honda goldwing site,their front/rear tires are same size as ours)There is over 850 goldwings that went to the Darkside w/nothing but positve info & most said they wish they would have done it sooner & won't go back to a motorcycle tire!!!
Also I visited Youtube & was shown via video camera pointed to rear tire car vs motorcycle tire in turns (contact patch) & felt even more comfortable about the changeover
The 10x stopping power was obviously exaggerated (meant to mean a BiGGGGGGGGG difference)
Any time you make any change, whether its KevinX power package,aftermarket brake pads,shock setting, it all takes alittle time to get use to
Lets not make this an OIL controversy, don't add any NEGATIVE comments if you personally haven't tried it!!
Another thing I notice on a positive note is the bike likes to stay centered & feels (almost feels ,especially when coming to a stop I have built in tip overs) more stable at slow speeds & making U turns
Fred
PS-over 850 Goldwingers can't be wrong especially these type of people usually more conservative, safety consious, & older (usually have been riding longer)
All I ask to the DARKSIDERS the tire pressure
After only a few days & a few hundred miles on the DARKSIDE I won't go back to a motorcycle tire
Also forgot to mention,Gravel or loose Dirt is easily handled w/the car tire vs motorcycle tire(doesn't slide out from under me)
STILL LOOKING FOR INPUT ON TIRE PRESSURES!!!! |
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Tucson, AZ | Let chime in on this discussion. I do not have a car tire on my Vision. The ONLY reason I do not is because I haven't worn out my E-3 yet. When I do do the Potenza will be installed. On my previous bike, 2000 Honda Valkyrie, I ran two Potenzas totaling over 38,000 miles. When I traded her in for the VV, the Potenza still had at least 50% tread left. I am a true believer. Rain traction and rear brake stopping is superior. Are there slight handling differences? Sure, but nothing major or something that can't be learned in a short period of time. With the car tire I feel safer and more confident. If you want more testimony, go to the VRCC site and read some of Smokin Joe's posts. This guy has worn more car tires on his Valkyrie than you can count. And as far as motorcycle companies not putting car tires on their bikes, what did makers of the Boss Hoss install before the Avon 300 came out?
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Does going dark void warranties? |
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Central Wisconsin | turbobuick - 2010-12-22 8:44 AM ... ...MY Question to Existing DarkSiders is what Tire Pressure are you Running???? For 2up I run 38 lbs in the rear and 38 in the front. 
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | You Darksiders are "Cheap and Proud"!
Gotta Luv 'Ya !!! But NEVER join 'Ya !!!
Who says the Minority is never right, 'eh? If 6% of the Wing Riders think Darkside is Best - that's gotta mean something....
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Prairie Dog Heaven, CO | Thomas - 2010-12-22 6:41 PM
turbobuick - 2010-12-22 8:44 AM ... ...MY Question to Existing DarkSiders is what Tire Pressure are you Running???? ? ?For 2up I run 38 lbs in the rear and 38 in the front. ? ?
Your passenger looks a little concerned there.... |
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Salinas, Ca. | Thank you TurboBuick for your posts.. I went to the Darkside about 10K ago and am completely satisfied with the decision. I too get a lot of flak from my brothers (one for riding a Vic, two for riding a Vision and now for running a CT) but I just laugh about it now. They all have seen my bike perform in all types of conditions and scenarios and quite honestly that has proven to them the worth of my bike and its crazy car tire. Anyway, time to get back on topic. I usually run my air pressure around 42 to 44 psi.. I like the firmer feeling the tire has those pressures. I ran it around 38 for awhile but it felt a bit squishy to me. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | We gotta run a test to see how many Darksiders there are who also believe in Conspiracies! I bet most of them believe Osama is still the only President born in France!
WOW ! Who would have thought bike riders know more than the folks who build them - that car tires are better than bike tires! WOW! You guys....
Come on - it's Christmas - and I am a little pissed - ..... but .... everything I have heard from scientists for fifty years - they all lie to me? |
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Corona, CA | donetracey - 2010-12-22 11:21 PM
We gotta run a test to see how many Darksiders there are who also believe in Conspiracies! I bet most of them believe Osama is still the only President born in France!
WOW ! Who would have thought bike riders know more than the folks who build them - that car tires are better than bike tires! WOW! You guys....
Come on - it's Christmas - and I am a little pissed - ..... but .... everything I have heard from scientists for fifty years - they all lie to me?
Wow ! You sound like the Gold Wing non believers - 830 people ago !!
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Do you still believe global warming is caused by people and money grubbing companies are trying to to rip off everyone ?? Al Gore's carbon trading company comes to mind.
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