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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Has anyone combined the Power Commander auto tune with a Lloyds reflashed ECM ?? Seems you would have the best of both worlds, full fuel adjustability for initial set up, then auto tuning for the fine adjustments with constant exhaust gas readings AND a 6400 rpm redline.
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Iron Butt
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| I don't think it would make any difference to the mixture. Over time the Autotune will rewrite the map to achieve the a/f ratios set by the a/f table. The map is just a starting point but ultimately it won't make any difference to the final settings. Of course you could limit how far the Autotune trims as a percentage. The default is 20% change which you could lower but that kind of defeats the reason for having Autotune in the first place.
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Iron Butt
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Rockford, IL | I'm pretty positive you can get the 6400 RPM with just the Autotune, no need for Lloydz ECM. |
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Tourer
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Atlanta Area | The PC-V will give u an rpm bump to 6000... That's it.... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Now the question: Are they compatible ?? I've read that the PC V will tune to almost perfection and eliminates almost all popping, that and the 6400 rpm rev limit with the Lloyds ECM would be killer................... |
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Iron Butt
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Rockford, IL | 1atom12 - 2010-10-31 2:30 PM The PC-V will give u an rpm bump to 6000... That's it.... On the Power Commander site there is a release type form you can print and fill out and sign and fax to them and they will give you a code that you put in the unit and you can up the RPM another 400-500 over stock.
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Lotzafun: Are you saying there is a upgrade to the PC V that allows 6400- 6500 rpm ?? I've not heard that before................ |
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Iron Butt
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Rockford, IL | XRsteve - 2010-11-01 1:20 PM Lotzafun: Are you saying there is a upgrade to the PC V that allows 6400- 6500 rpm ?? I've not heard that before................ Yep...its part of the Rev-Extend feature. A link to the form.... http://www.powercommander.com/downloads/GeneralDocuments/FormWaiver...
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Thank you alot, that will save money AND do the job.................... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | One more question to get this all straight: If I get the PC V with auotune and the rev extend down load I'll have 6500 rpm in all gears AND no top speed limiter. If I have all this power I'd like to have a 135mph dresser !! (Happy, Happy) |
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Puddle Jumper
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Stony Mountain, MB Canada | I already had the Stage 1 Level 1 Exhaust with the Gunner Tips and the extra Air Filter in place of the block off plate on the intake.
At the Spirit Lake Rally this year I had Lloydz do a set of Cams for me and put the Power Commander V on my bike, I didn't get the auto tune as I have heard rumours that it doesn't work as good as what it should on a Victory and I got Lloydz to put a flashed ECM on it to give me 6400 RPM Rev Limiter and no speed limiter. It all works great, I get better fuel milage than before and 114.08 HP. & 112.44 ft. lbs. of Torque. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | So does anyone on site have the PC V with autotune and 6400 rpm rev extend in ALL gears............... |
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Cruiser
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Vancouver, B.C. & La Quinta, CA | I have the ECM from Lloyd with his fuel controller. Running 116.2 HP and 115 ft/lbs. Will be installing the PCV shortly for what I'm told by my tuner shop another couple of horse hopefully. Don't want the auto tune. Once properly dyno'd no need. The thing the ECM gives over and above rev limit extension is critical timing change for more power and much better ridability. It is the cheapest hp addition.
Good luck with your power tuning. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Dal, will it go 135 mph ?? |
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Iron Butt
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Rockford, IL | Ok....I've got the PCV with Autotune and I have yet to find a rev limit. And I've tried more than a few times.
The Rev-Extend is a feature of the PCV. So Autotune is not required.
Due to a couple of factors I have yet find out the absolute top speed, however I've had it well over 120 a couple of times.
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Lotzafun : when you write "I have yet to find a rev limit" Do you mean you have reved it passed the 6000 you can see on the tach ?? Thanks... |
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Iron Butt
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Rockford, IL | XRsteve - 2010-11-07 8:12 AM Lotzafun : when you write "I have yet to find a rev limit" Do you mean you have reved it passed the 6000 you can see on the tach ?? Thanks... Yep...have buried the tach more than a few times. Once it starts scratching the 6g-plus mark the motor starts howling a decent howl but you can tell she ain't got much left though so you aren't going to want to spend a lot of time in this area. With the PCV....if there is a rev limit.....I can't find it.
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Sounds good.............. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | DAL - 2010-11-06 2:17 AM
I have the ECM from Lloyd with his fuel controller. Running 116.2 HP and 115 ft/lbs. Will be installing the PCV shortly for what I'm told by my tuner shop another couple of horse hopefully. Don't want the auto tune. Once properly dyno'd no need. The thing the ECM gives over and above rev limit extension is critical timing change for more power and much better ridability. It is the cheapest hp addition.
Good luck with your power tuning.
If you are going PCV then it is a waste to not go with Auto Tune. No tuner is going to get you as good as the AT feature during normal riding |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Kevin have you had any experience with the PC V auto tune and it's over rev capability ?? I had not read before this post of an additional down load to the PC that allows 6400 rpm in all gears. ( I guess that would override the speed limiter in 6th ?? ) The only one I've read about before that does all this is the Lloyds reworked ECM.... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Next Monday 11/15/10 I'm going to a Power Commander seminar put on by DynoJet in Atlanta, it's sponsored by Drag Specialties, I'll get some answers about the PC V for our Visions ............................ |
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Tourer
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Albuquerque, NM | Some actual part numbers for the PCV and the Autotune module for the '08, '09, etc... if different. A discount if purchased together would be nice. I'm sure they'd sell alot more for Vics....thanks |
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Tourer
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Sturbridge, Mass | So, if I read this- if one wants to get the best bang for the buck without doing the cams on an 09 vision,
Add;
Lloyds Air intake Plate
IAC valve
PC-V or VFC- 3 ?
No need for the ECM re-flash if getting the rev limit feature on the PC-V ?
What would one expect in performance change with these mods ?
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | I'll find this all out on Monday................. |
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | DAL - 2010-11-06 2:17 AM
I have the ECM from Lloyd with his fuel controller. Running 116.2 HP and 115 ft/lbs. Will be installing the PCV shortly for what I'm told by my tuner shop another couple of horse hopefully. Don't want the auto tune. Once properly dyno'd no need. The thing the ECM gives over and above rev limit extension is critical timing change for more power and much better ridability. It is the cheapest hp addition.
Good luck with your power tuning.
The PC-V with the Auto Tune also lets you adjust the timing... There is a table for it and it works nicely in all gears...
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Best of both worlds combination ??
