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New Mexico | Anyone heard of these? Recommendations?
http://www.pulstar.com/index.htm
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"It?s called a pulse plug ? and here's why its technology should be in your engine.
Until now, every gallon of gas you bought was ignited by a simple spark plug- an outdated technology that has barely changed in 100 years. But now you can change to a new eco-friendly pulse plug that uses an advanced technology to make every drop of gas burn better and cleaner.
Here's how it works: Electrical energy from the engine?s ignition coil is stored in the built-in capacitor. At the exact moment needed, that energy is released in an amazingly powerful and quick (two nanosecond) high-energy pulse.
The result: The improved combustion efficiency burns fuel sooner and more effectively, which equals improved mpg, less CO2 based emissions, and better overall drivability. Even the green get greener! For example, in this EPA US06 fuel consumption lab test, even the icon of fuel economy and eco-friendliness- the Toyota Prius- saw notable improvements in mpg.
This new technology is based on plasma research supported by the world famous Sandia National Laboratories ? and yes, that's definitely rocket science."
Edited by Boots 2010-10-03 3:25 PM
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Pittsburgh, PA | ive heard of them , but know nothign about them. i know there is forums that talk about that exact product.. |
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Lehigh Valley, Pa | These new and improved spark plugs have come and gone over the years. Most did nothing, some in the the proper application may have had some benefit. I will stick with the NGK's, I know they will perform exactly as they were intended. |
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| I have these and am happy. About 2k with them now. I have less exhaust black soot on the gatlin tips so that is good enough for me. I believe with those and the ness twin sucker I have about 1.5mpg improvement. I did the plugs first so I know they help with the soot. |
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Tampa, Fl United States | What make,model, & year do you have these in? |
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Indianapolis, IN | Prime Power - 2010-10-03 9:16 PM 09 Vision What is the pulstar part number that fits the Vision? |
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| This is purely a gimmick. Spark plugs provide the activation energy required to propagate a flame front in the combustion/power stroke in the engine. Apply more activation energy will buy you little to nothing. You may see an advantage if you have two plugs per cylinder considering the shear size of the Victory cylinders, but we only have one port. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | http://www.e3sparkplugs.com/
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| Boots - 2010-10-03 3:25 PM
Anyone heard of these? Recommendations?
http://www.pulstar.com/index.htm
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"It?s called a pulse plug ? and here's why its technology should be in your engine.
Until now, every gallon of gas you bought was ignited by a simple spark plug- an outdated technology that has barely changed in 100 years. But now you can change to a new eco-friendly pulse plug that uses an advanced technology to make every drop of gas burn better and cleaner.
Here's how it works: Electrical energy from the engine?s ignition coil is stored in the built-in capacitor. At the exact moment needed, that energy is released in an amazingly powerful and quick (two nanosecond) high-energy pulse.
The result: The improved combustion efficiency burns fuel sooner and more effectively, which equals improved mpg, less CO2 based emissions, and better overall drivability. Even the green get greener! For example, in this EPA US06 fuel consumption lab test, even the icon of fuel economy and eco-friendliness- the Toyota Prius- saw notable improvements in mpg.
This new technology is based on plasma research supported by the world famous Sandia National Laboratories ? and yes, that's definitely rocket science."
What a load of crap.......1 Megawatt of power discharged.....please!!!!! Capacitors do not create power, only store it. |
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seattle, wa | "Eco friendly"...I don't like the sound of the that. |
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| I hear you guys and am not saying to go buy them. I am saying I have less black exhaust on my tips now so that means something is right. A lot less. I must be getting a stronger spark or better burn pattern. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Hey PP, it ain't a forum unless someone is pulling apart what is being posted. After being a part of this forum for about 3 years now, it has come full circle too many times. The last plug discussion was on the idiums or whatever they are called. I see it this way, if a person "percieves" they are more satisfied with a product others think is hoky, let it be. My Vision is shamefully stocked, right down to the NGK plugs with the exception I'm now running Rotella 5w40 oil and an ST7317 filter, but I'm more than satisfied. |
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| I understand that, but I'm telling you it's no placebo. Less black soot period. Also they don't get as black as the stock plugs. I used to clean the stockers all the time. I'm not saying go buy them, but I'm happy. I know I was running rich. Now I am less rich. The only mod at the time was the plugs. They must burn hotter or a better pattern helping to get more of an efficient combustion.
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New Bohemia, VA | PP, I'm not disagreeing with you, there are those that naysay, to which I say, if it works for me, then it works until I assess otherwise. It may or may not be something I would personally try. But my overall point is that the information found on any forum has to be taken with a grain of salt. I had an issue that I solved by doing something, but someone pointed out to me that my perception is off because on an automotive principle level it didn't make sense, to which I agree because it is true. Yet, there is another discussion along those same principles that everyone is agreeing with and is contradictory to what I was told, yet no one is chiming in to the negative.
There again, all information on the forum must be taken with a grain of salt. |
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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | The principle of a capacitor used to store spark energy is interesting. I would think the design of the capacitive element would pose some difficult problems for the designer giving the environment and heat and continuous cycle times. The biggest difference in standard coil ignition and one that employs a capacitor is the duration of the spark. How many people remember CDI? This was Capacitive Discharge Ignition. The biggest benifit was a spark that was reduced in duration. By reducing in time the spark what you had was a very 'short' duration compared to the standard coil ignition which in comparison starts weak gets stronger and ends weak. The time interval we are talking about is fractions of a second. The spark was not stronger in total energy but measured accross any specific time segment it would show greater energy.
There will always be scams out there but this design could show promise. The ignitions on our motorcycles have really not kept up with even GM. Gm has probably the strongest ignitions (hotest spark energy) in the world. They gap there plugs at almost twice what is spec for our Vision.
The auto companys have had to deal with CAFE standards and a buying public that want horsepower at the same time. If motorcycles would have to deal with CAFE standard we might see with very little effort (improved ignitions)our beloved Vision approaching 50-55 MPG instaed of being happy with 40.
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| Do any racing teams use these.......that would be more of an endorsment of function than the sales brochure....unless of coarse they are sponsoring the winning team.. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | I do remember CDI, don't hear much talk about that now. Time tells about all this aftermarket stuuf, it eventually settles everything......... |
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North Orange County CA | Unless I misunderstand the concept, ALL electronic ignition systems are CDI. Which may be the reason why nobody is making a big issue out of it anymore. This is the technology that superseded points and condensers.
What makes me wonder if this plug concept might be a great idea is one word - INDEXING.
NGK's website claims that properly indexing plugs in an engine can yield a 1% gain in horsepower.
If just changing the orientation of the electrode can gain you more efficient combustion and more horsepower, it's not out of the realm of reality that a change in plug technology could have similar benefits especially in engines intentionally designed to burn contaminated air fuel mixtures.
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | I hope all it claims are true. The next really big thing will be direct cylinder injection. Just becoming reality in the automotive world, more power, more MPG's and cleaner burn................... |
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New Bohemia, VA | ---maybe they'll bring back the "water injection" that was so popular in the 60's and 70's and claimed an increase in mpg from the first use. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | And the 1957 Corvette had ....... ? |
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on the edge of Los Angeles | chesshiretuna - 2010-10-04 10:58 AM Do any racing teams use these.......that would be more of an endorsment of function than the sales brochure....unless of coarse they are sponsoring the winning team.. In racing applications a commonly used system is "MSD" Multiple sparks mainly at lower engine speeds that help in combustion and power. Details at their site for reference. Indexing is an one way to gain performance and aid in not closing the gap on a high domed small quench piston configuration. Pointing the open end of the gap towards the exhast valve where the gasses are the hottest will aid some but unless you are on a controlled dyno for testing your results may be negligable on the open road. On fuel, a dose of low sulfer Diesel will minimize the soot too. Oh wait these bikes are gas powered.. ( Forum Tech) |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Hey I know about water injection, I was a B-52G pilot in the USAF, I had eight Pratt & Whittney J-57-43-WB's in the palm of my hand. The WB stands for water burning........It works and makes 25% more power but the fuel flow went from 70,000 lbs an hour to 110,000 lbs per hour on takeoff...........not good for fuel economy, hahaha.................. |
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Albuquerque NM | Hello all, I'm brand new to this forum so excuse me if I miss appropriate protocol. But I would like to add my two cents on this one.
First I am anxiously awaiting my 08 vision, and will be testing my new bike on the dyno with new NGK plugs and then the Pulstar plugs. I'll be doing this because I am a product designer for the company that builds them, (I actually built the tooling for the assembly line and am currently working on the fourth generation of the plugs). So as soon as I have some data I will happily post it for all to see, and I will not be pushing them here, my bikes are just fun for me. But I'll gladly answer any questions you might have.
BTW I know that this thread is almost two years old. |
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