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Memphis | I got off track on another thread so I thought I'd open this one. VVPA is my offering as a Vision rider/owner group. The concept of being a Vision Pilot would match the futuristic impression of the bike. I even have a logo in mind: A dark red "V" with a sightly smaller black "v" superimposed over the red one. The outside of the large red "V" would be edged in grey. The three colors would reflect all three colors of the original 2008 Vision. It would be simple and easy to make into a pin, patch, sticker, or even a back-lit emblem to attach to a bike. The colors of the logo could change as the model years introduce different color options. The hardest part is designing a "V" that is unique without being goofy looking. I thought about wings to the side but keep coming back to "simple". Any thoughts? |
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Puyallup, Washington | Sounds good with the colors and superimposed V's. I won't be much help on designing; I don't have an artistic bone in my body. However, if it's going to be a "Pilot's Association", it absolutely has to have wings. |
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New Bohemia, VA | There is already the Vision logo V that is on your key. With Victory having Wings already, that's two pieces to build from. I agree with the pilot connotation and it fits well with the fact that it has been said you sit on a motorcycle, you sit in a Vision. This machine is a true man and machine experience. I don't advocate doing this but I know you all do, but anyway, I was heading to work and decided to try the no-hands routine. After a few miles of slight curves and trying to adjust to let this machine do its thing, it would lay in a curve nicely without handle bar input. Then I was on a straight stretch, with no hind traffic but two cars on my outside lane. As I got closer knowing I would have to do some handle bar input, I found the Vision begin to "drift" into the passing lane on que with no input. It almost seem to have a mind of its own, like it was on "auto-pilot".
I'm okay with VPA, and if we are going to get serious about doing this then we must have someone to direct it. I do not suggest anyone who does that Vespa thing, because before it is over we'd be the VBNPA, and I won't go into what all that means...
(This video looks like it was filmed Tennessee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwYkAxDj5pA, could it be????)
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Southeast Iowa | What does anyone think of VVPA or VPA just being VP?
VP simply stands for Vision Pilots. I really agree that riding a Vision is more like piloting than riding. Does the word Association need to be in the name to make it one? Besides, VP's are high ranking important people don't ya know! |
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Las Vegas, Nevada USA baby! | The Tennessee You Tube link had this message: URL contained a malformed video ID. It just goes to the You Tube home page instead. |
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NW Illinois | First let me say, as some of you already know I have been a Harley rider for the past 25 years, and the Vision is my first Victory.
I believe one reason Harley and HOG do so well is because they do not form different sub groups for all the different models. I agree this is one fine machine, but do not know if there needs to be its own organization. I would like to see Victory as a whole continue to grow and profit I believe being one group the VRA is the best way to do this. I know there are people who think that other groups have some people that go on rants or may not represent what most of us would like to see in a club but any large group is going to have this and there are always growing pains. I guess what I'm saying is I would hate to see Victory or the VRA suffer because of multiple sub groups. Would I be part of a Vision only group probably, but I would support the Corporation sponsored VRA group first because I believe that is what will help Victory grow.
I think its great to have some choice shirts, pins for our model. As for the names I like to keep it simple Victory Pilots and you have a great idea for the design and colors to go with model years.
That's my 2 cents.
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | I agree with graybeard, an association is stronger if it flies under one banner 'Victory' instead of an association for every model there is. It doesn't mean there can't be special interest groups within VRA with their own threads.
Anyways here is a logo I put together that could be used for a patch or pin for the Vision Pilots. I know it's a bit different than what you described SongFan but I felt that two V's was more fitting 'VictoryVision', the centre V is black and gray and looks like the tail light on the Vision. Let me know what you all think of it.
Edited by Crawford 2008-03-08 10:40 PM
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NW Illinois | I like it |
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Southeast, AZ United States | Crawford - 2008-03-08 7:15 PM
I agree with graybeard, an association is stronger if it flies under one banner 'Victory' instead of an association for every model there is. It doesn't mean there can't be special interest groups within VRA with their own threads.
Anyways here is a logo I put together that could be used for a patch or pin for the Vision Pilots. I know it's a bit different than what you described SongFan but I felt that two V's was more fitting 'VictoryVision', the centre V is black and gray and looks like the tail light on the Vision. Let me know what you all think of it.
That's what I'm talking about...That in a decal along with the Vision-Riders logo decal would look really good on the back of the Vision, under the license plate between the V tail light...wouldn't it...I'm looking for something Vision related to put there, anyone else?
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San Antonio, TX | I see that someone registered "visionpilots.com" today. I hope it is someone with this groups best intentions in their heart.
Edited by radioteacher 2008-03-08 11:34 PM
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Florida | Crawford, VERY NICE! Wow! Great logo! |
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Memphis | I agree 100% greybeard. I had no intentions of starting another association, just wanted to come up with a cool logo that broke out of the motorcycle pack with a futuristic slant to match the bike. I didn't think far enough outside the box and tried to incorporate "Group" or "Association" into the title. Vision Pilots is absolutely the way to go. Crawford, the logo is perfect! I'm totally behind it. Can't wait to show it off!
We have a ton of talent in our ranks. This is very cool how quickly it all came together. I'm humbled and impressed.
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San Antonio, TX | I did not mention in my earlier post that....I love the name "Vision Pilot's" and Crawford's logo. I would proudly wear the logo and name. It would be great on my jackets and I will have to have it on my Vision.
If someone just joking around wanted to see my pilot's license , I would have to show them the license that I earned in 24 years ago from the FAA. Then tell them that I can not fly everywhere I go, not enough airports.
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Mount Vernon, WA United States | Just FYI, we're working on a Vision-Riders sticker and/or cling. Personally I like Vision Riders, but I assume anyone would have guessed that.  |
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New Bohemia, VA | Sure has been a lot of action here over the association idea, which I fully support and intitially suggested. I see one of the main motivation is not to disassociate ourselves with any other rider or the parent company, as it seems we think we might do by forming an association. By in large, Vision-Riders has already begin to accomplish where I was going to, so that arguement no longer exist.
Overall, we do not have control over what people do, so there still could be one day, and even soon, someone starting a Vision Pilots Association and moving on to an intended goal. So what would our goals be. First, who is by and large our foundational people? The demongraphic report has already told us. We are older, with a few dollars in our pockets and we want to travel. So I have to cite names here to get my point across. GWRRA - GoldWing Road Rider's Association has set the stage to my suggestion. They have a lot perks that would not be found under VRA, if so, then someone run down the gamit of what GWRRA offers and what VRA offers and see if I'm over shooting.
They offer group rate discounts on many desired services and products because they are an association. Beyond the commaradire and the cool forum, we would have discounts over and beyond others. Here is the list of the benefits offered by GWRRA.
Wing World Magazine
Gold Book
Rescue & Rescue Plus Roadside Assistance
Member Materials
Professional, Full Time Home Office staff
Home Page with Interactive Message Boards
Chapter Life
Rider Education
Platinum Plus® Visa® Credit Card
Find-A-Friend Program
Special Interest Groups
Couple of the Year Program
Discount Custom Pin & Patch Program
Official Products
Travel Now Discount Hotel Program
Health Programs
Credit Union Benefits
Motorcycle Shipping
There are also many vendors if you flash your current GWRRA card you'll receive a discount.
Now keep in mind they have a much larger association than what we have at this point in time, but we are growing, so little by little it would form into what will benefit Vision Pilots. I believe the Vision owner will prove to be a different set of people than the Wingers in that we have thought out of the box and took the chance to purchase something as radical as the Vision, though there will be many to follow as more make the purchase, it will happen. (okay, leave the economy out of it)
I'm talking smart and not opinion here, nor am I funnin' over this. I posted this and made this suggestion because of the smart people here that have the resources and talent to make this happen, otherwise I would already be putting something in place. I do not have the time to start this, but what Miles and the others have done here for Vision-Rider is the foundation, the core of what I'm talking about. I like Vision Rider, but when I heard Vision Pilot, that is exactly the connotation that comes across when I pilot this machine against anything else I have riden.
The bottom line is that the Association will come, and it is not nor will it ever mean we are disassociating with any other rider, but we are building needs to our unique ride and ridding habits and as individuals, just as did the Goldwingers. Also, it stands to attract those to the Vision who now would not want to give up their benefits by riding a Wing, or being part of GWRRA.
Again, slow and easy, build the foundation and let it grow. No great expenses, not large and radical moves, just take it as it comes and grows over the next few years and we'll look back and say, "Glad we did it." Besides I like the emblem up top, but I think we need to put that out and let others use their talent to come up with a winning design by vote.
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New Bohemia, VA | varyder - 2008-03-08 4:29 PM
(This video looks like it was filmed Tennessee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwYkAxDj5pA, could it be????)
Search on Vespa Wheelie King in youtube, and you'll find this video. |
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New Bohemia, VA | radioteacher - 2008-03-08 11:27 PM
I see that someone registered "visionpilots.com" today. I hope it is someone with this groups best intentions in their heart.
I checked the stats and it was registered in 2001, so it wouldn't have been anyone here. |
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Puyallup, Washington | Crawford, that is an awesome design. When can I order the patch and decal? Everyone does know that the Harley and Goldwing riders may see us as presumptuous at best and elitist at worst if we start displaying patches and decals like this. Oh well, let em join us. Anyway, whatever Association is started, I hope, does not cause everyone to jump ship from 'Vision-Riders'. After all, Miles' and Jeff's creation is how I met you all.
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New Bohemia, VA | Innkeepers - 2008-03-09 6:48 AM
Crawford, that is an awesome design. When can I order the patch and decal? Everyone does know that the Harley and Goldwing riders may see us as presumptuous at best and elitist at worst if we start displaying patches and decals like this. Oh well, let em join us. Anyway, whatever Association is started, I hope, does not cause everyone to jump ship from 'Vision-Riders'. After all, Miles' and Jeff's creation is how I met you all.
Hope all understand that this is a prod to have Miles and Jeff to take in consideration what is being talked about here and not a means to jump ship. If that was the case, I would not have brought it up here in this forum. There is a fantastic foundation here and I immediately gravitated to it when I found it, even though there are others Vision forums out and about, none matches this. The pilot idea still seems to be directed toward the mentality of those who "pilot" a Vision and is a great tag for any one who owns a Vision. With that said, domain name switching and so on may be a pain, but is a very doing thing. Now, I'm not pushing us in that direction, though it sounds as if I am, we may end up going in a different direction or stay status quo, however, there still stands a chance of someone doing it. We are not the only "pilots" out there, there are many other Vision riders that has not graced us with there presence. If I was a ex-winger, which I am, and came over to riding a Vision without the perks of being part of GWRRA, I would miss them, which I do. I would never go back of course, but one of the most invaluable assets of GWRRA is the Goldbook which lists all the members, 80% I would venture to say never use the forum. They provide levels of assistance they would choose to provide to a fellow Winger, to include coming to get you late at night. Okay, we're not there yet, but I'm taking foundation folk, not a full blown deal, foundation. Start now, grow, and so on. Don't wait until there are many before we do this, because someone else will.
Okay, I'm quiet now, I just want to get the point across this is real, and this is now, because I see something with this product that will leave others sitting in the wind.
I have a Vision....
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Florida | I really like the Vision-Riders.com Logo. The flowing lines says it all. I even ordered the T-Shirt! |
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Memphis | I personally have no intentions of trying to change Vision-Riders or start a new organization. Vison Pilot wings are just a cool way to express my mindset from the seat of my new bike. The Victory "V" logo that is shown on the website and on the key is just a little too Trekkie for me personally and it doesn't really convey "pilot" like the wings logo does. I think it would be great to see a bunch of us scattered around a large motorcycle gathering and be able to pick each other out just by the wings.
There should be three colors of shirts; maroon (midnight cherry if you can find it), grey, and black (to match the color of your bike). Then have the wings embroidered over the left breast with your Vision-Rider call-sign stitched beneath the wings. (You wouldn't need the words Vision Pilot, it is implied by the wings.) Instant recognition with a classy logo to boot. JAM did a fantastic job with the Vision-Riders logo. Instantly recognizable with clean, simple lines. Vision-Riders is the organization that brought us together. I've bought multiples of everything they offer. It's like being in a squadron. Vision-Riders is the unit patch. The wings are personal. Wear them both with pride.
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Dale, Indiana | First let me point out I am generalizing several threads here, and general observations outside of the Internet.
I guess me being a new guy to this motorcycle stuff I don't understand……
I bought a bike so I can ride it, and I surfed all over Vision-Riders.com so I can learn all I can learn about my bike, and get updates and input from other Vision Riders. I like the site so much I am having the web address put on my big truck (with a couple Victory stickers) so I can pass the word, and maybe run across a fellow Victory & Vision Rider in my travels.
Now I am seeing I need to join clubs, surf off the site to other sites started by upstarts who are using this forum to grow their site, just so I can learn something new.
Whatever happened to one stop shopping?
I have been around posting boards for venders who have done the One Stop shopping for years. Burns my butt when upstarts start gleaning a board to start their little enterprise. (yes I know this is not a Vender Site, but it's as close to being real as any site I have seen in some time)
In just a couple weeks I have learned I need to wear this, join that, jump to this site and that site, speak right, not speak out of turn, and act a certain way so I can be accepted. God this stuff is starting to sound like Harley Rider crap.
I bought my bike to get away from sticks in the mud types of people, upstarts who use others to build their enterprises, clubs, and for the most part stereotyping.
I hate stealing a line from a movie, but "I just wanna ride"! I want to ride and relax, and put the world and the worldly kind of people behind me. I want to be where everyone is equal, equal in a way where people and their unique personalities can come out and not be looked down on because they aren't a "somebody".
Personally, I believe The Victory Demographics (posted in another thread) say that's what most Victory riders are like. But, maybe Victory is wrong since it beginning to sound like we're supposed hang around a biker bar and try to fit in.
BTW I do love the sticker and YES it explains what ‘I believe' most Vision riders are. I'd pay whatever it cost and proudly stick it on my bike, but I am not joining any club or website just to have it.
Maybe this will help.
I have been in the limelight for to many years, my trucks and my face end up in trade publications for reasons I have yet to understand. I just speak my mind, do my job well, fix up and clean every truck I drive to show my love for my ride. I never feared or cared what other s think just so I could fit in. I love doing volunteer things, and helping get the word out for people with a passion to make things better.
But after 30 years of it I get beat-up more and more because people think if you're different and in the limelight you're supposed act and talk a certain ways or they won't like you.
Well phooey on them.
I just want to be left alone and be a nobody.
Riding a bike seems a great way to be equal with folks from ALL walks of life, even those who have no life (whatever we think that is)!
Ok I now sound like a fruitcake.
But that's how I feel and I'll just Google for information if I have to act like a Harley Rider with a corncob up my butt to be a Vision Rider.
Timothy J. Begle
Trucker by trade, Vision Rider by love.
‘Now local nut case'
Edited by Indiana RoadRunner 2008-03-09 11:27 AM
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New Bohemia, VA | Folks, folks, not my intent, and it is not necessarily agreeable, but the benefits is what we are talking about. When you talk about benefits for the group then it is a good thing. I don't want to be club, personally, that is not me, but having benefits from an association is the target. It sounds like we as a group don't want to go that direction, so I sit down and enjoy my ride. |
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Memphis | Tim, Let me start by saying you are a looooong way from being the local nut case. The boys from SoCal, AZ, and TN (myself included) are not about to be dethroned anytime soon. You make some valid points. I've been riding for 10 years and the biggest group I've ever ridden with is three other bikes (once). I've never been involved with any organization outside of my local church and this is uncharted territory for me. I've been to the other websites and watched how other groups operate and know exactly what you are talking about. That is why this site is so attractive to me. It honestly feels different here. I think there are enough people who have been on the other side and are sick of it that it would have a hard time degrading to that. I know I come across wrong at times but no matter how it sounds or reads, I'm just trying to get the word out about this fantastic bike. The last thing I want is for us to be perceived as unapproachable or stuck-up. I keep coming back to what a big deal it was for Victory to make the Vision. It is really amazing that they have pulled it off to this degree. My mind won't let me think that this is just another model and it will soon blend in with the masses. I'm trying to ramp it up a notch. If someone gets their panties in a wad because I'm wearing a great looking shirt with a kick-ass winged logo and SongFan embroidered in gold beneath it, there is not a whole lot I can do about that. It is their decision to be stand-offish. (By the way I'd also have the Vision-Riders logo on the left shoulder and an American flag on the right. Read into that what you want.)
So far I think Vision-Riders is doing great. If it turns into another flamer site I'll be the first to bail out. (Again, the aviation tag.) Until then, I'm proud of the bike and feel good about being associated with this squadron of pilots.
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Southeast Iowa | WOW! I missed a lot since yesterday. I don't really care one way or the other for the whole club/association thing, I don't veiw the benifits as that big of a deal. I can get credit cards, loans, and discounts elsewhere. The logo on the other hand is just plain cool! If you drop the S and go with Vision Pilot then you loose the whole "group" concept and still show the world what you are. A "Vision Pilot" If someone makes T-Shirts I'll buy one! XXL in Midnight Cherry please...............white or grey would also work. |
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