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Iron Butt
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North Orange County CA | Clearwater Lights is looking for a Sacramento area Vision owner who would like make their bike available for final fitting and testing of their revolutionary LED Glenda driving lamps.
The lucky local owner will be able to purchase this cool setup for 50% off and get free installation.
Any norcal Vision owner interested should contact:
sales@clearwaterlights.com
Glenn Stasky
President
Clearwater Lights
2546 Mercantile Drive Unit B
Rancho Cordova, CA 95742
916 852-7029
http://www.clearwaterlights.com |
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Iron Butt
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North Orange County CA | I am fascinated by the drivers ability to adjust the brightness of these units at will.
Seems like that would be as close as one could get to an ideal option for riding in foggy conditions.
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Visionary
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Memphis | I agree Tarpits. One of the few LED running light kits that throw off enough light to actually be used (not just seen). If they get these fitted for the Vision and we can get in on some kind of group buy discount, I'm in. Here's a short YouTube video from WebBikeWorld.com. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZPjH2E76S8
Edited by SongFan 2009-12-08 10:27 AM
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Iron Butt
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North Orange County CA | I know that I'm planning on ordering as soon as the mounts are done. I like the low system draw (12 watts - 1 amp) as well.
Anyone else interested?
Hey, you guys up north, don't make me drive up there and do this myself or my friends and I will keep stealing your water!  |
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Tourer
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Tacoma, WA | The lights sound really nice. I would be interested, as long as they are reasonable.----Metalguy |
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Visionary
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| I'm not seeing a price but I can't really say I think much to the lights design either. I'd also think they would provide the lucky Vision owner willing to give up his bike for fit and testing a free set w/install. |
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | metalguy - 2009-12-08 7:08 PM
The lights sound really nice. I would be interested, as long as they are reasonable.----Metalguy
I completely agree |
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Iron Butt
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New York State | I like these if the price and color of the housing are good I'm in. |
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Iron Butt
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, FL United States | Any Nor-Cal Vision-Rider able to take them up on it? Definitely interested. |
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Cruiser
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Citrus Heights, CA United States | I will call them this morn to set up appoitment Vern |
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Visionary
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Memphis | These are not the lights you want if you are looking for a "good deal" on LED running lights. They will probably cost around $500 but I feel like I will get what I pay for. I was thinking about the Victory PIAA running lights but the first thing I would want to do is upgrade the wattage from 35 - 55W. The bike isn't really wired for 55W but could probably handle it no problem. The Clearwaters only run 12 watts at full blast and are probably brighter than the 55W PIAAs. The dimmer is a first. I like the idea of supporting a small American business that makes world class stuff. Here is a great article on Glen Stasky and how Clearwater got into the LED business. http://www.pashnit.com/product/clearwater/photos.html More info here: http://www.pashnit.com/product/clearwater_lights.html http://www.pashnit.com/product/clearwater/buy_bmw.html Not for the faint of heart, but neither is the Vision. p.s. Many thanks to Tarpits99 for finding these guys and rldr12 for donating his bike for the set-up.
Edited by SongFan 2009-12-10 9:51 AM
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Cruiser
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Citrus Heights, CA United States | called clearwater 300.00 half price and istall these will not be cheap I will wait for awhile |
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Visionary
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Memphis | rldr12, That is a big chunk of change. Thanks for giving them a call. |
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Iron Butt
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Reno County, KS | They're ugly as he11 but they look tough as nails, they're small so I guess they wouldn't stick out that much... They'd be an awesome addition to an ATV with it's low amperage electrical but $600 outright... OUCH. I like adjustability but not that much... |
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Cruiser
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Citrus Heights, CA United States | Update Took bike to shop to have lights installed Talk to Chris in Sales and Glen about a gruop buy and they seemed very interested. Will post more when I get bike back tomorrow. |
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Cruiser
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Citrus Heights, CA United States | Also talk to them about cost and looks like the 300 was including install The price looks like it mightbe a lot less group buy and they will probably wright an install instructions We did find a simple way to install them 1=2 hours looks like will know more tomorrow |
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Cruiser
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Houston, Texas | I am a little confused by this thread.....its been my experience when someone is trying to roll out a new product and need a test bed for some R & D they don't charge for their demo. They eat the cost of the product, installation and the R & D.....that's part of the development costs.
Personally I wouldn't pay to test someones product.
I'm just saying...
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Iron Butt
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North Orange County CA | The product has been available and in use on many other brands of bikes for some time. The mounting system for the Vision is new.
The development (CNC time and fabrication) of the Vision specific mounting system and the creation of the installation routine and instructions are the issue. There is also the issue of the costs involved in actually producing the first batch of mounts; and there is no guarantee that any of us will buy.
Does anyone know the exact number of Visions on the road? This bike is a very small potential market, with a limited profit potential, and is difficult to reach. There are only 1700 registered on this board and a few on "the other" site. How does one effectively market (another cost factor) a product to Vision Riders?
If someone asked you to develop a product where there were only say 5000 potential customers spread over the planet would you do it free?
I am very pleased that the folks at Clearwater Lights were willing to embrace our little community and build a mounting system for our bikes. I hope that some of us like the result enough to support their efforts. Every successful aftermarket product increases our choices and encourages others to jump in with options for our bikes.
My thanks as well, to rldr12 for donating his time and his bike as the guinea pig. I am looking forward to being able to purchase my set.
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Visionary
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Memphis | The PIAA driving lights would cost me $520 installed with upgraded 55W bulbs. PIAA's - $350, install/1 hour labor - $60, tax - $40, 55W bulbs - $70/pr. (My own personal quirk: If I buy it from the dealer, I'll pay the extra and let them install it. If I buy from somewhere else, I'll install it myself.) The Clearwaters are not such an outrageous alternative. The adjustability and low power draw are big plusses. Clearwater also suggests rigging the wiring harness so that when you hit your brights, the Clearwaters go to full blast no matter how dimly they are adjusted as running lights. That is a good thing in my mind because I never go to the brights unless I have the whole road to myself or I want to get some knucklehead's attention. With the PIAAs, when you go to high beams, you lose the PIAAs. As far as looks go, I ride a Vision. You think I give a flyin' flip if someone doesn't like the looks of something I like? I think Clearwater is a cool little company and look forward to supporting them. |
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Cleveland, GA | Tarpits99 - 2009-12-11 10:50 AM If someone asked you to develop a product where there were only say 5000 potential customers spread over the planet would you do it free? Not knocking Clearwater, but Bushtec Trailers did when they developed the trailer hitch for the Vision. They used my bike for development and I got the prototype hitch in return. |
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Iron Butt
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North Orange County CA | Lone Ranger - 2009-12-11 9:49 AM
Tarpits99 - 2009-12-11 10:50 AM If someone asked you to develop a product where there were only say 5000 potential customers spread over the planet would you do it free? Not knocking Clearwater, but Bushtec Trailers did when they developed the trailer hitch for the Vision. They used my bike for development and I got the prototype hitch in return.
I have no doubt that that is true. However, the last time I looked Bushtech's least expensive trailer was $2500 without any options.
I would argue that Bushtech's development of the trailer hitch for the Vision was motivated not by their desire to sell hitches; but rather because they hope to sell trailers and accessories and custom match paint, and chrome wheels and.......
In the case of these driving lamps were talking a single 600 buck sale, with no additional revenue stream (not even lamps as far as I can tell). |
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New Bohemia, VA | I mean, what do you want, in essense you are getting $300 for them to use your bike for a while. I don't see the beef and when it comes to lights, I would rather have these clearwater lights over the PIAA's, just for the dimmer.
I paid $400.00 for my Vision Dash Organizer for my own personal use, and currently working to get the cost down for a very few others that want one. To date, it is the best $400.00 I spent on my Vision as I use this thing everyday, it truly is a convenience that I've wanted.
I'm not busting on anyone, but many would spend well over a grand for unnecessary performance upgrades, but complain about a safety product that will help you when you engage those upgrades on a dark night on a rainy twistie road...I'm just saying... |
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Cruiser
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Citrus Heights, CA United States | Got the lights installed today. Took longer than expected but that is normal on the maiden install. I never thought that I would say this but the ability to adjust the brightness is wonderful and when hi beam is selected lights go to full bright no matter the setting. Talked with Glen and he is looking around Jan 5 to have instructions written and ready to ship Great news (and this is not firm but close) Again not firm yet but the price looks like around the $400.00 mark on a group buy plus flat shipping rate. I believe those of you with any mechanical ability could install lights in about 2-3 hours start to finish. These lights put out over 51watts of power for about 12 amp draw. I could not be more impressed with the quality and finish of the caising They installed black ones to match my Black Street Premium bike. I highly reccommed these lights over the PIAA I will post pics as soon as I can |
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Memphis | Great job! Thanks! (I'm guessing you meant 12 watt draw instead of 12 amp.)
Edited by SongFan 2009-12-11 8:00 PM
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Cruiser
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Citrus Heights, CA United States | Songfan you are correct. A hearty Thank YOU to Tarpits99 for the info Don't know hot to post pics Sorry
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Driving lamp test bike needed - Sacramento
