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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | Ran regular last tank as suggested by a few to help clean out the bike. The bike does not ping, at least with the LLoyds intake plate and fuel controller. If I get no pinging is there any reson to use high test? Has anybody done this enough to know that it will start to ping. I know regularhas potential to get better fuel milage if high test is not needed to prevent detonation. Any thoughts?
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New Bohemia, VA | walt - i've been running regular for the last two tanks and using an addative. the ping has grown less. I'm not sure if I'm staying with it, but the gas mileage seems to be slightly, ever so slightly improved. |
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Reno County, KS | I'm going to start running mid-grade next fill up and then move down to regular if that helps. I've been experiencing some popping consistent with every tank fill until I get down to around 1/2 to 1/3 tank and less. |
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Kincardine, Ontario, Canada | I don't understand the reason behind running regular in a bike designed for premium.
Premium fuels generally have higher detergents and additives along with a slower burn rate to reduce pinging. I can understand better mileage as the ignition system would retard the timing further while using regular to reduce the ping that it senses that you can't hear.
Or have I missed something here?
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New Bohemia, VA | it's kevinx's fault |
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L.I., N.Y. | In N.Y. they run 10 percent ethanol and no matter what grade or brand that I've used, depending on time of year and outside temp. my ride gets between 23 mpg to 37 mpg. In other places they may have other types of blended gas find what works best and use it and enjoy. |
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Cottage Grove, Mn | I have been running 89 for the last 600 miles and the bike runs better then on 91 and i am getting about 1 extra mpg |
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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | I have no problem running high test but I do not believe that just because it is higher octane do not believe it is better or has higher quality additives. I will not risk pinging though, and so far no ping. |
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manitoba canada | if there is no pinging the keep using it ,the bike will run better ,have more power better milage ,victory only says to use prem. to save there ass. |
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| Ok, someone try to tell me how running regular is better than running premium if premium is what it is tuned for? I am an Engineer so I know a little about this stuff. But don't know the particulars of these bikes yet. Are you saying it is not tuned for premium, then we have a problem of course. |
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Belding Michigan | OK maybe I missed something but I asked the shop and they told me that running a type of gas was a personell choice and that Victory recommended priemum due to conditions and altitudes that the bike maybe run at this is a one size fits all attitude that drive me crazy. I live in Michigan and gas here is out of sight for price so I put in regular and found little if any difference I have no ping no increase or decrease in power or mileage and I have more money in my pocket so I have run regular for the last 6000 miles without any issues. Tell me what I have done wrong?? Archie |
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New Bohemia, VA | i'm experimenting off of someone else's suggestion. since running, my pinging has subsided and i find no performance issues. it is also holding better at the mpg than running premium. i'm waiting for the counter arguement toward running regular other than the tuning concern. if it will some how disenigrate my pistons over time, i'll go back to premium, otherwise, i think i'll stay here a little while longer. |
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| Again, not familiar with this bike yet, in fact mine isn't even going to be delivered to me for a couple of weeks. But running a lower octane rating gas is very harmful in auto's tuned/timed for a higher octane rating. I mean, octane rating is the ability of the gas to be compressed without detonating in short hand. So premium gas can take more compression before detonation. So if the engine is tuned to compress so much and then ignite, and you have regular gas in the gas will detonate too early and you will not have a full combustion. So basically premium is not better, just different and you should run what it is tuned for. What I don't know is what is this bike tuned for. I would assume premium since that is what it calls for. |
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Kincardine, Ontario, Canada | Prime Power - 2009-08-30 7:25 AM
Again, not familiar with this bike yet, in fact mine isn't even going to be delivered to me for a couple of weeks. But running a lower octane rating gas is very harmful in auto's tuned/timed for a higher octane rating. I mean, octane rating is the ability of the gas to be compressed without detonating in short hand. So premium gas can take more compression before detonation. So if the engine is tuned to compress so much and then ignite, and you have regular gas in the gas will detonate too early and you will not have a full combustion. So basically premium is not better, just different and you should run what it is tuned for. What I don't know is what is this bike tuned for. I would assume premium since that is what it calls for.
Agreed
But we all have choice in life, I'm staying with premium |
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Memphis | Premium for me. Not sure I could have out run an R1 on regular. That Sunoco 93 in New England is some really nice stuff. My bike never ran stronger than when I was up there last fall. |
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New Bohemia, VA | well, i think my experiment is over. i'm on my third tank of regular, have ran carbon cleaner through and still get knock on load. it may work well in some parts of the country, but I don't live there. oh, and the gas mileage increase is from me not getting on the throttle as much to keep it off the ping. this episode of myth busters is over for me. |
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Cabot Arkansas | I read an article in a performance bass boat magazine once where they bought premium gas from several different name brand stations and had it analyized said in 9 out 10 tests they were getting regular gas instead of premium  |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | SongFan - 2009-08-30 9:34 AM
Premium for me. Not sure I could have out run an R1 on regular. That Sunoco 93 in New England is some really nice stuff. My bike never ran stronger than when I was up there last fall.
Premium DOES NOT INCREASE PERFORMANCE PERIOD. Your R1 run in was situation, and not power.
The air in New England prolly had more to do with the way your bike ran then anything else. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | varyder - 2009-08-30 12:14 PM
well, i think my experiment is over. i'm on my third tank of regular, have ran carbon cleaner through and still get knock on load. it may work well in some parts of the country, but I don't live there. oh, and the gas mileage increase is from me not getting on the throttle as much to keep it off the ping. this episode of myth busters is over for me.
It's simple science, and not myth. The air in your part of the country may not be as agreeable as other parts. Try moving to a mid grade fuel before you throw the extra money, and unburnt hydrocarbons at your engine with premium. Engines make peak power when cumbustion temps are right on the edge of preignition |
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New Bohemia, VA | maybe it don't increace performance but it sure does eliminate the load knock. |
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Memphis | Kevin, Man, that R1 story really hit a nerve. Just having fun with it. There is definitely a difference with ethanol. The 93 octane around here does not compare with how the bike felt with the Sunoco. I got nearly 4mpg better up north and it just ran stronger and felt better every day I was up there. As soon as I got back into VA/NC/TN again I could feel the difference. I've never had a problem with my bike but that Sunoco is some good stuff. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | varyder - 2009-08-30 1:02 PM
maybe it don't increace performance but it sure does eliminate the load knock.
That would be why I said to try mid grade in your case. |
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| Premium itself does not increase performance if it is tuned/timed for regular. Then no. But if it is tuned/timed for premium of course it will increase performance. I guess not really increase, but give you what you should have where regular would detract from performance. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | SongFan - 2009-08-30 1:33 PM
The 93 octane around here does not compare with how the bike felt with the Sunoco. I got nearly 4mpg better up north and it just ran stronger and felt better every day I was up there. As soon as I got back into VA/NC/TN again I could feel the difference. I've never had a problem with my bike but that Sunoco is some good stuff.
Now that is a real point. Corn gas while having the same effect on octane is nowhere near as efficiant in the cumbustion process. On average most people loose 10% MPG with corn, and since it takes that much more fuel to work on cruise; the power will drop. Sunoco here in Florida is cut with Corn. Man I miss good old MBTE
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Prime Power - 2009-08-30 1:36 PM
Premium itself does not increase performance if it is tuned/timed for regular. Then no. But if it is tuned/timed for premium of course it will increase performance. I guess not really increase, but give you what you should have where regular would detract from performance.
It will not detract from performance, but may give yoyu drivability concerns like the dreaded ping. However using a higher octane WILL detract. Peak performance lives on the edge |
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