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New Orleans, La, | Harley has a new engine family line with priority oiling, liquid cooled heads, 8 valves per cylinder heads, and comes in 107 oil/air, 107 liquid cooled, and 114 liquid cooled. Harley is fighting to get back the market share they have been loosing over the past few years in a big way. The new engines also have a single cam, no valve adjustment intervals, 10%more power and 7% more torque, thinner glitter primary, and cooler by relocating the cats away from the riders. The new motors will go in all big twin models except the dyna glides. |
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| " thinner glitter primary, "? At first I thought this was a typo, but you know... it may be an better avenue for Harley to find new market share.
INTRODUCING: The New Poly Pocket Ultra Low...
Or perhaps...
... The My Little Pony Road Glide :D |
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Pittsburgh, PA | They claim every part in this 107 is brand new, nothing used from previous motors... no push rods, etc |
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| take your pick 107 or 114
http://cyrilhuzeblog.com/2016/08/24/harley-davidson-2017-touring-mo...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDFnA-Zc_qM
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| you better go back to reading about the new motor V92SC
I see they did away with the air shocks and went back to cartridge forks. All so 2 spark plugs per head.
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Sand Rock, AL United States | all new engine and only 10% increase? |
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Jasper, MO | jimtom - 2016-08-25 6:04 AM
all new engine and only 10% increase?
They saved the 24% increase for the Screaming Eagle kits. Smart marketing. Make the consumer pay extra to get it all.
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Sand Rock, AL United States | Not this consumer.
Edited by jimtom 2016-08-25 9:48 AM
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Prairie City, IA United States | jimtom - 2016-08-25 6:04 AM
all new engine and only 10% increase?
It is about the Cubic inches not the power increase. You know, my dog is bigger than your dog.  |
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| Harley is smarter then you give them credit for. Yes its only 10% increase and that fine for the normal rider. BUT
Now the dealer can offer bigger cam bigger heads and pistons. Not every one wants big power
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Sand Rock, AL United States | Still underwhelming to me. But hey, at least they offered something new. |
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New Orleans, La, | The point I was trying to make hear is that H D is bringing their pushrod big twin into the 21st century and meeting the pollution standards of Europe and CARB through modern engineering. They have made their big twins breath 50% better, increased amp output at idle, cooler running , higher torque starter, higher compression , dual knock sensors for more accurate timing and prevention of knock allowing for leaner more precise fuel metering, dual spark plug heads, reconfigured exhaust port. They essentially looked at what worked with all of the other makes and adapted it to their engines. They now have the basis of an engine that can potentially make reliable big power and torque with efficiency across the board. With all of the improvements the H D big twins now have the performance stock to stay with the Victories, Hondas, and other makes without having to add cams, tuner, and exhaust before they take them out the door. All of this along with improve suspension, thinner slipper assist clutch, and improved foot placement at a stop for inseam challenged riders. Hopefully this will prompt Polaris to up the game of Victory to address some of the few flaws of the Vision. I'm hopeful for some much needed evolutionary changes/improvements to our beloved Vision so that we might be as excited over our choice as I am about the potential of the Vision. IJS. |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | well, when you put it that way...I appreciate your commentary. |
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| I Wouldn't buy an HD with that engine for 5 or more years untill most of the major bugs are worked out. |
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Jasper, MO | Banjo - 2016-08-26 10:57 AM
I Wouldn't buy an HD with that engine for 5 or more years untill most of the major bugs are worked out.
Lol! I understand, but I can't help but remember how many people were saying the same thing about Victory 16 - 17 years ago.
You wouldn't believe all the crap that both my Harley riding buddies, and my Honda riding buddies gave me when I bought a Victory.
By the way, I still have it.
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Dallas, Texas | These seem great, but the REAL question...what do they SOUND like? potato, potato, potato? |
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Pittsburgh, PA | My understand these new engine Are NOT push rods motors.. this will be a game changer for HD . I know a guy that works for a very big Harley dealership he actually got to test ride the 107 he said it was extremely quiet compared to their other engines as far as engine noise and the performance was very Snappy and quick.. Frost this might not be a big deal but for them going from the tube out to a 4-valve going from pushrods to a cam chain this is a big deal welcome to the 21st Century Harley Davidson |
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New Orleans, La, | The new engines are still using push rods to actuate the valves using a rocker arm similar to the one in the Freedom engine. The cam remains in the valley but uses a silent chain drive reducing the number of parts and the complexity of their previous drive set UPS. H D went to great lengths to insure the engine retained the iconic look and exhaust note that made them the most recognized American motorcycle world wide and those two aspects have not changed. Fact is with the huge reduction in NVV they were able to give customers more of that distinctive exhaust note and stay in compliance with noise restrictions world wide. The engineers at H D have been extra busy the same of which I cannot report from Victory at this time. The way Victory is trying to mimic HD I guess significant up date won't occur until 2023 cause that will be the15th birthday of the 106. Snh. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | https://youtu.be/knKBF9OfXJY |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | good video. |
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| the 107 has the same horsepower as the Vic |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | WHO GIVES A SHIT ??? They still look like CRAP from the 40's ..... LOVE my 60'ish SPACESHIP !!!!
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Barrington, NH | johnnyvision - 2016-09-01 7:16 PM
the 107 has the same horsepower as the Vic
Slightly less, but pretty close... 106 victory is rated at 97hp and the new 107 is rated at 92.5hp according the EPA certifications... |
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Barrington, NH | Arkainzeye - 2016-08-30 8:19 AM
My understand these new engine Are NOT push rods motors.. this will be a game changer for HD . I know a guy that works for a very big Harley dealership he actually got to test ride the 107 he said it was extremely quiet compared to their other engines as far as engine noise and the performance was very Snappy and quick.. Frost this might not be a big deal but for them going from the tube out to a 4-valve going from pushrods to a cam chain this is a big deal welcome to the 21st Century Harley Davidson
Still uses pushrods, very similar set up to a Yamaha Star motorcycle! |
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| New engine!! What about the rest of the bike?? |
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Harley D. has a promising new engines
