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Puddle Jumper
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Bella Vista, AR | I've seen several posts where folks have claimed to drag the Vision while cornering. While not saying I don't believe it, I am saying I would like to see photo or video evidence of this occurrence. It seems as though the lean angle to drag the tipovers is extreme to make this a regular, let alone safe, practice. |
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Cruiser
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| Search YouTube for Victory police Vision. I recall seeing some grinding of floorboards going on. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Bella Vista, AR | I like those VV police bikes. I heard a small bit of scraping, but couldn't tell if it was the front or rear tipover. I'm thinking the air pressure in the rear shock would have an effect on the rear touching down. I push my Vision pretty hard sometimes, but have never dragged anything, but also run my shock in the upper range of the pressure setting. As I mentioned before, not saying it ain't happening, just wondering how hard others are pushing when it does happen. |
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Brighton, TN | You don't have to push hard to get that big beast to lean over and stay there. The floorboards touch first as a early warning system(which mine are pretty roughed up). If you have highway pegs they go before the floorboards. I have probably ground a 1/2 inch of material off the ends of the pegs. Then the tipovers touch, grinding away never really upsetting the bike and I have lost quite a bit of material on those. I'll look and see if have pics of the MSF course where I drug them A LOT! That was in a parking lot and I was running as hard as I could. The instructors said goI as fast as your pucker factor will allow. It ain't hard and very stable, lay it on its tipovers and then sit on it and see if you can tip it any farther. One of the reps early on would lay it over and then try to drive it and right the bike. Never heard if he succeeded! I can definitely see where it can be done if he could get traction.
Ride it like a sportbike knee dragging and all and you will really be amazed at what this bike can do. Slide over and shift weight just don't sit in the middle and then get back to me. |
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Iron Butt
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| pollolittle - 2013-04-22 6:33 AM
You don't have to push hard to get that big beast to lean over and stay there. The floorboards touch first as a early warning system(which mine are pretty roughed up). If you have highway pegs they go before the floorboards. I have probably ground a 1/2 inch of material off the ends of the pegs. Then the tipovers touch, grinding away never really upsetting the bike and I have lost quite a bit of material on those. I'll look and see if have pics of the MSF course where I drug them A LOT! That was in a parking lot and I was running as hard as I could. The instructors said goI as fast as your pucker factor will allow. It ain't hard and very stable, lay it on its tipovers and then sit on it and see if you can tip it any farther. One of the reps early on would lay it over and then try to drive it and right the bike. Never heard if he succeeded! I can definitely see where it can be done if he could get traction.
Ride it like a sportbike knee dragging and all and you will really be amazed at what this bike can do. Slide over and shift weight just don't sit in the middle and then get back to me.
I have demonstrated my tipover protection to interested persons when I first got the bike. My tipovers don't touch until the fairing is probably less than a foot from the ground. I can't see riding it down that far. That being said, I was two up once, coming around a corner in the dark, hit a patch of sand or gravel, rode it down to the ground (tipovers), then popped it back up once we hit pavement. Passenger never flinched or jumped off, just rode it back up with me, bless her heart! LOL But, that was a slow speed low side, that without the tipovers, would have caused damage (probably to me and the bike), and well beyond where it could be ridden in a controlled lean. Not even super bike racing takes it down as far as my bike goes before it hits' the tips. Possible differences are that I don't have my bike lowered, and I keep the (chart) recommended air pressure in the shock for whatever "load" I'm carrying. I also keep my tires aired up properly.
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Cruiser
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| Prior to me installing the saddlebag skirts/exhaust lowers on my bike, I used to love the lean angle on it. I rode crotch rockets for 20 years and loved cornering. For such a huge bike, the vision feels right at home in corners. I've had many friends ask me how da hell am I able to hold that heavy bike in the curves as I do. They dont realize that the bike is doing most of the work, I'm just the picking out the lines while she eats them up, lol. After installing the saddlebag skirts/exhaust lowers on the bike, I've noticed that I have to be extra careful because they drag very easy. I have to go through turns slower or at least wider so as not to scrape them. I've even scraped them making a left turn to sharp. Since they are color matched to my bike, I dont want to ruin them. So I've said all this to say, Aesthetics comes with a price. I love the look of this accessory but I hate the loss of the tight cornering ability that I had to give up. There's pics of them in my gallery if you wanna see them. If you decide to pursue this mod think carefully about whether or not you like to carve canyons with your bike prior to purchasing them. If you do prefer your vision leaned over, I would highly recommend against getting these.
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Phenix City AL. | Come to the S.E. Victory rally at the end of may to the first of june in Helen GA, if you have slight brain damage, or a set of nuts, you can ride with some people that just love that scrapping sound. |
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Iron Butt
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| jb.hatch - 2013-04-22 8:03 AM
Come to the S.E. Victory rally at the end of may to the first of june in Helen GA, if you have slight brain damage, or a set of nuts, you can ride with some people that just love that scrapping sound.
I was there last year. Is your bike lowered, I don't recall now....
Anyway, as I said, I've seen my bike on it's tipovers.... the fairing is just barely above ground. I've never seen anyone ride a bike at speed that far leaned over, even the superbike racers on TV don't get it as far over as my bike leans on its tipovers. |
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Central Wisconsin | Peg mounts and floorboards are scraped, the rear tip overs are clean. 
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New Bohemia, VA | for criminy sakes, double post. Joke time... FB6
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New Bohemia, VA | I wonder if some questions are real. Dragging the Vision, are you kidding me, you can do it all day long and then some. If you know how to ride, however, you'll only drag it when you are meaning business. I learned late that when you go into the turn, slide and lean to the low side to keep the bike up more. If you lean opposite, like when I didn't know any better, I dragged the Vision boards several times. I don't think it is a cool to push it in anymore, but when I do drag, I'm impressed because it's running hard... ride safe. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Bella Vista, AR | It was definitely a real question, and it's not as though the bike hasn't been pushed hard, but not that hard. When I lay mine over, it looks like the boards don't touch til the tipovers do. Again, I wonder if the rear shock pressure has an effect. I'm not looking to drag, just wondering how hard others that are dragging are pushing these big bikes. I agree the handling is awesome, and I can already run off and hide from anybody I ride with, so I'm not likely to be pushing any harder anytime soon. Would still like to find some video of these bikes being pushed that hard though. |
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Iron Butt
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Rockford, IL | This video should answer all your questions.......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQRq0xgrP1g
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Puddle Jumper
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Bella Vista, AR | Are there supposed to be feelers on the bottom of the floorboards that touch first? That didn't look like much lean angle before he was dragging. There is nothing on the bottoms of my boards. With the bike on the sidestand, the rearmost part of my left floorboard, and theoretically the part that should drag first, is still 6 3/4" from the ground. I bought my bike as a demo model, and the bottoms of the boards are chrome. Maybe the dealer didn't put the feelers back on, or do they not go on the chrome boards?
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Prairie City, IA United States | Lotzafun - 2013-04-22 3:51 PM
This video should answer all your questions.......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQRq0xgrP1g
Sorry to disagree with you on this one. The video shows me nothing but poor riding skills. Let the air out of the shock and counter weight the bike and sure you can drag a board all day. Set up correctly and you can easily do the same slow speed maneuvers without touching a thing. All it takes is some practice. |
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New Bohemia, VA | fish51 - 2013-04-22 5:24 PM Are there supposed to be feelers on the bottom of the floorboards that touch first? That didn't look like much lean angle before he was dragging. There is nothing on the bottoms of my boards. With the bike on the sidestand, the rearmost part of my left floorboard, and theoretically the part that should drag first, is still 6 3/4" from the ground. I bought my bike as a demo model, and the bottoms of the boards are chrome. Maybe the dealer didn't put the feelers back on, or do they not go on the chrome boards? perhaps feelers have been on some bikes, but, the only time I've seen feelers is on a 65 impala low-rider. It's question like this that makes me wonder if you are being serious or yanking a change. I can play, butince my tone in which the way I post can be crass, I'll try to be nicer. I hope you've taken a MSF course. So much you don't seem to be taking into consideration is physics, primarily your weight changes the dynamics from sitting on the kick verses when you're screaming down the highway. My floor boards would always push up first before it would touch the tips. However, with so much uneveness on the roadway, concrete seams and such, I avoid the drag when ever from riding skillfully. Air pressure in the shocks of course changes the height, just as weigth does. I ride hard for me, and like I mentioned before, I did a lot of dragging on my Vision, and still can I did so this morning on an exit ramp that is sharp and short so I pulled it hard to get into the flow of traffic. I was down low and it was laid over pretty low and I just went for it. Traffic is hard and fast through this stretch and a lot of accidents so I like to get the advantage through here. I was probably already doing 55-60 on the curve, and had it over 70 on the straight. I can say I'm not good enough to do what ride like a pro does in a parking lot, but with practise I guess I could be.
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| Yup back edge of floor boards all scraped up/ A badge of how far you lean |
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New Bohemia, VA | Draggin'
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Yes, I could have made these turns without dragging with better body position, but I was trying out the Arizona Vic PD floorboard skidplates. They are 1/4" thick plates that mount to the floorboards so you don't mess your boards up. The Visions can do about a 19' dia donut if you practice.
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Puddle Jumper
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Bella Vista, AR | Unless you're just trying to be a complete ass, I think you can agree that most all factory floorboards/pegs come with some sort or nub/feeler that is there to touch down before the board itself starts dragging. I have not taken a MSF course, as I feel the 30+ years I've been riding all manner of dirt/street machines will suffice. I don't have nearly the mileage on the Vision as you do, but am plenty pleased with the bikes handling and my riding. I was simply asking a question, and was simply looking for simple answers, as opposed to your assumptions about my riding experience or intelligence. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I can play, but in my tone in which the way I post can be crass, I'll try to be nicer. I had to say that again because my smart phone played a trick on me in the earlier post. And I'm saying, yes I come across that way. My miles has nothing to do with anything, I'm my own expert and nobody else's, and don't think that I know more than anybody else. I do have a concern, more than I should maybe, or maybe not, the survival of other riders. While your years exceed mine in years owning/riding a motorcycle, it doesn't say you know everything either. I do know this, that even the experts, any given one that has more saddle time than I'll ever have agree on one thing; take a MSF about every 5 years. I'm due one, my last one was about 5 years ago and I could use the reminder. I won't challenge you on anything else and hope you get the answer you are searching for. I never knew there were any kind of "early warning" feelers on any motorcycle, but I guess I learned something, so thank you. I hope we get to ride together some day...
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Puddle Jumper
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Bella Vista, AR | No harm done. Your concern for others is evident in other posts I have seen. Look me up if you get over to northwest Arkansas, and I'll show you some of my favorite roads. |
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Jasper, MO | fish51 - 2013-04-22 10:26 PM
No harm done. Your concern for others is evident in other posts I have seen. Look me up if you get over to northwest Arkansas, and I'll show you some of my favorite roads.
Hey Nick!
I've been meaning to get down your way to look at the Redbuds and wild plums. Are they still blooming? It seems like it wants to rain every time I want to ride here lately.
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Puddle Jumper
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Bella Vista, AR | Hey Ronnie, things are just starting to bloom good down here. Rode about 150 miles yesterday. I never get tired of that country down around Boxley and Kingston. |
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Iron Butt
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| Lotzafun - 2013-04-22 3:51 PM
This video should answer all your questions.......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQRq0xgrP1g
You're kidding me.... that bike is either lowered, or has the bash plate on the bottom (which is what you probably actually hear scraping) or both. My bike leans much further over than that before it hit's the tip overs. That's nothing in that clip. |
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Dragging Vision
