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Newburgh,IN | Hey gang:
This was on the HD Forum. The new HD's have more heat on the legs than the Visions
Hot Legs
This is my first summer on a Harley and I''m feeling the heat! I don''t do a lot of stop and go traffic, but a stop lights I almost cry from the heat on my legs. Hours after I get home there are visual red burns. I wear half chaps and have saddle shields. What''s the next step? I''ve looked at the fan kits, but someone said that won''t help my legs (especially left) much. They suggest an oil cooler? Everything cost good money, so I''m looking for direction before I just start trying things. Any suggestions where to start?
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northwest florida | google " no more fried thighs" heat shield for the harley's... |
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New Bohemia, VA | Wow. I guess it is all in the toleration of the heat. I find that the heat from the Vision is very tolerable. I read some of the testimonials at the Fried Thigh site, and what I read is that the desire to ride is greater than forsaking being miserable. Or maybe it is just part of that Harley image to be shakin', beatin' and burned to prove you are a man. The Vision is no doubt to me to be the best contructed bike for comfort for the human being ever built. I feel guilty (yeah, right) on how easy I have it on the Vision when I pass a bugged eyed Harley rider that is about worn down to nub after a few miles and and has the desire to press on in spite of the punishment. |
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Reno County, KS | Uncle - 2008-07-12 10:15 AM
This is my first summer on a Harley and I''m feeling the heat! I don''t do a lot of stop and go traffic, but a stop lights I almost cry from the heat on my legs.
I think this is what Goerge Carlin had in mind when he pointed out the "pu$$ification or Harley Davidson" on stage. LOL But seriously, there's a freakin' engine with exhaust headers between your legs when you ride a motorcycle. It's part of the experience and guess what they do??? THEY GET HOT!!! Alas relief and a solution are available. Here's a link: http://www.wikihow.com/Drive-a-Car (real link; LOL). Turns out they've had these things for years  |
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Carrollton, TX | If you think the Vision is too hot you need to install the lower wind deflectors and highway pegs and you will be fine. If you are too hot after installing both of these than you need to give up riding a motorcycle. LOL The lower wind deflectors make a huge difference in both heat and cold and the new mounting tape they are using is rock solid.
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Woodstock, GA | So these lower deflectors allow you to redirect airflow to your legs rather than around them? I ask because the inherent reason for deflectors is to deflect, right? |
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Linwood, MI | bsquared62 - 2008-07-13 10:18 AM
So these lower deflectors allow you to redirect airflow to your legs rather than around them? I ask because the inherent reason for deflectors is to deflect, right?
Yes. They are adjustable, made to swing out for full deflection or in for full diversion of air to the engine and leg area. The clamp/hinge has an adjustment screw on it to make them clamp tighter or looser. When adjusted properly they hold very well in the wind, yet can be easily swung in or out. |
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Woodstock, GA | Cool - thanks. Are these available through the dealer or a third party? |
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Newburgh,IN | Bsquare;
Here is the part # 2876259 Don't know about availability though. |
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Nebraska | How do they help when sitting in traffic ? That's the only time the heat bothers me. |
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Baltimore, Md | Pardon my (apparent) ignorance, but I don't see, from the photos anyway, how these would divert air toward the legs/engine to dissipate heat any better than normal wind flow. Are they curved in at the trailing edge to somehow induce an inward flow toward the engine? They appear to be in line with the fairing which would not seem to have much different effect than normal flow around the fairing itself. I can see how they would help divert flow, but not how they enhance it to affect cooling. There's probably a simple explanation, but it escapes me with only the two photos to judge by. |
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Carrollton, TX | flint350 - 2008-07-13 10:30 AM Pardon my (apparent) ignorance, but I don't see, from the photos anyway, how these would divert air toward the legs/engine to dissipate heat any better than normal wind flow. Are they curved in at the trailing edge to somehow induce an inward flow toward the engine? They appear to be in line with the fairing which would not seem to have much different effect than normal flow around the fairing itself. I can see how they would help divert flow, but not how they enhance it to affect cooling. There's probably a simple explanation, but it escapes me with only the two photos to judge by. The wind deflectors turn in all the way towards the engine so they provide a lot of adjustment to direct the air where you want it. The picture shows them turn out to the furthest position to block wind from the legs but they will turn in to direct the air to the engine so the air flows along the engine as it exits the back or the engine area to the rear of the bike. While doing this they keep your legs cool without putting a lot of wind force on them. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | i seen a set at a rally that was just recently here. Victory had them on all their visions for the demo rides. they also turned OFF all the radio too..i asked on of the guys why. and he said they got No reception where the rally was... LOL The ones i seen on the visions werent very eye pleasing. They did not flow with the bike. |
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Baltimore, Md | Well, now I understand how they work at least (thanks Spock). I guess it comes down to whether I'm really bothered by the heat (only had the bike a month) and the compromise with the aesthetics. |
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Carrollton, TX | maddog - 2008-07-13 10:05 AM How do they help when sitting in traffic ? That's the only time the heat bothers me. That is where the highway pegs help. They allow you to place your feet and legs especially the right further away from the engine while stopped. They also work great when riding both with comfort and foot positioning and to keep the feet and legs cool. The lower wind deflectors keep your legs cool when moving so when you stop your legs are not already cooked so the heat doesn’t bother you unless you are sitting for a long time. This combination works well for me even in the 100 plus degree temperatures here in Dallas. |
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| Having owned BOTH the HD with the 96ci and now the Vision can impart some personal knowledge. First off the stock 96ci has the crossover under the riders seat front which gets REALLY hot. Yes they make deflectors, parade fans, and a free flash download that will shut down the offending rear cylinder during idle and just off idle for heat relief. NONE of these fully eliminate the heat, after all it is a big Vtwin. What will is going to a true dual which can be expensive. Fulsac offers a dual conversion VERY cheap at only $175 and i does eliminate the heat without remap or anything else, problem SOLVED.
Now lets look at the Vision. Anyone with half a brain had to know that a big ole cowl that was aimed at directing airflow across the engine would also allow the heat from said engine to be directed across the legs of the rider (see Goldwing). Victories answer?? Hwy Pegs which stretch your legs out away from the heat, but in doing so alters the riders position. Lets not mention the issue is most noticeable in town where hwy pegs should not be used. Ok so lets add deflectors. Yeah like that hasn't been done before (again see HD & Goldwing). This is a BS fix for a heat issue. Will you get a little relief? Sure but not enough to justify the $200+ price tag. Now in all reality Victory SHOULD be GIVING the lower air deflectors to owners of 2008's since it is a design/warranty issue. What you say, how could this be warranty related?
Look at your pipes (which isn't hard since they reflect in the belt guard/cover) they are blue as hell. The Vision like the HD are SOOOOO lean to meet EPA and hence the heat issues. Since Victory doesn't want to richen up the download spec's to address this issue of heat, they should provide the deflectors free of charge to address the heat caused by the overly lean running condition.
Bottom line is all these heat issues be it Harley or Victory are the result of EPA restrictions. The real solution is for you to install fuel processor so you can set your bike up where it should be. Or you could just learn to live with a little heat. I frankly ride with my feet more forward on the roll over guards and don't have an issue with the heat. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Teach - 2008-07-13 1:12 PM Having owned BOTH the HD with the 96ci and now the Vision can impart some personal knowledge. First off the stock 96ci has the crossover under the riders seat front which gets REALLY hot. Yes they make deflectors, parade fans, and a free flash download that will shut down the offending rear cylinder during idle and just off idle for heat relief. NONE of these fully eliminate the heat, after all it is a big Vtwin. What will is going to a true dual which can be expensive. Fulsac offers a dual conversion VERY cheap at only $175 and i does eliminate the heat without remap or anything else, problem SOLVED. Now lets look at the Vision. Anyone with half a brain had to know that a big ole cowl that was aimed at directing airflow across the engine would also allow the heat from said engine to be directed across the legs of the rider (see Goldwing). Victories answer?? Hwy Pegs which stretch your legs out away from the heat, but in doing so alters the riders position. Lets not mention the issue is most noticeable in town where hwy pegs should not be used. Ok so lets add deflectors. Yeah like that hasn't been done before (again see HD & Goldwing). This is a BS fix for a heat issue. Will you get a little relief? Sure but not enough to justify the $200+ price tag. Now in all reality Victory SHOULD be GIVING the lower air deflectors to owners of 2008's since it is a design/warranty issue. What you say, how could this be warranty related? Look at your pipes (which isn't hard since they reflect in the belt guard/cover) they are blue as hell. The Vision like the HD are SOOOOO lean to meet EPA and hence the heat issues. Since Victory doesn't want to richen up the download spec's to address this issue of heat, they should provide the deflectors free of charge to address the heat caused by the overly lean running condition. Bottom line is all these heat issues be it Harley or Victory are the result of EPA restrictions. The real solution is for you to install fuel processor so you can set your bike up where it should be. Or you could just learn to live with a little heat. I frankly ride with my feet more forward on the roll over guards and don't have an issue with the heat. Whew! Thanks Teach, I was beginning to think it was Bush's fault. Supposeably Victory is coming out with a new stock download to rich it up a tad because of the stalling as the result of the lean mixture. Soooooo maybe... Again, just may be a rumor but my dealer told me that Victory is trying to get all the 2008's straight before the announcement of the 2009's. |
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Woodstock, GA | So it seems to me from this thread that the deflectors are:
1) effective at speed
2) over $200
3) not that attractive
Also, from this and other threads, there are two ways to cool off the engine:
1) install a fuel processor that permits a richening of the mixture
2) install the permanent oil filter that lowers the temperature 10-15 degrees
The total of these is about $400 and the solution will work both at slow and fast speeds. Does that about sum it up? |
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Dale, Indiana | You know if it wasn't for this forum, I would have never known that the heat was an issue.
I have always thought that sitting on V-Twin would be warm on hot days.
Guess I didn't know that the bike should ride like it's air-conditioned.
Silly me
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Carrollton, TX | bsquared62 - 2008-07-13 3:36 PM So it seems to me from this thread that the deflectors are: 1) effective at speed 2) over $200 3) not that attractive Also, from this and other threads, there are two ways to cool off the engine: 1) install a fuel processor that permits a richening of the mixture 2) install the permanent oil filter that lowers the temperature 10-15 degrees The total of these is about $400 and the solution will work both at slow and fast speeds. Does that about sum it up? The lower wind deflectors provide a lot more than relieve from the heat. They do a better job of keeping you warm in the cold weather than they do in keeping you cool in the hot weather. They can also keep the wind off your legs when you have your feet part way out on the highway pegs. I ride my bike to work most of the time and wear dress slacks and I can adjust the wind deflectors to keep the wind off my legs so my pants do blow up my leg yet don’t get too hot. They work great. Everyone I know who has installed them wouldn’t part with them. |
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Woodstock, GA | Thanks, Spock! That sounds like a ringing endorsement. |
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| For me, the heat seams to be more of an issue at highway speed than around town since the bike forms such a nice non-turbulent "bubble" around the rider while cruising that the heat is trapped behind the legs and air is blown around the rider. I actually played with the stock deflectors moving them in and out until a draft was caused that broke the bubble a little around the legs, it was still warm but much more tolerable. |
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Northeast Pennsylvania | tralphaz - 2008-07-14 3:10 AM
For me, the heat seams to be more of an issue at highway speed than around town since the bike forms such a nice non-turbulent "bubble" around the rider while cruising that the heat is trapped behind the legs and air is blown around the rider. I actually played with the stock deflectors moving them in and out until a draft was caused that broke the bubble a little around the legs, it was still warm but much more tolerable.
Worked for me also. Only time I really feel the heat is stopped in traffic and I try not to stay in that situation. All my V-twins had heat issues. I wear boots, long pants, and ride fast  |
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Reno County, KS | Yeah, I've also begun to realize what I'd be dealing with if I weren't wearing the equivalent of riding boots. I suppose I've never tried to ride in low-cut boots or sneakers because I always run around in long-lace, steel toes. I might try riding with some gym shoes and see what that's like.
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LONDONDERRY NH | Just picked up my Vision this weekend and the only thing I don't like is the heat on the legs. At highway speeds the heat just below the knees on the inside is unbearable. May try the wind deflectors |
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