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Central Maryland | Hey guys; I just took apart the console and radio out of my Vision (I'm getting ready to apply Gloss black fiber carbon) to the console.
I also ordered Lloydz's upper air filter and hopefully it will get here next week. I do have a question about the orientation of it though; when it is installed.
Below is a picture of the plate that I will have to remove; there is also a steel bracket fastened to the top of it; which is holding connectors from the wiring loom:
I can't see how the upper air filter that I'm getting from Lloydz's is going to fit; unless it is inserted upside down into the frame; where it mounts; meaning that the filter element itself will be inside of the top frame? Is that how it's installed?
Here's a pic of his filter. Is it installed upside down?
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Chattanooga, TN | Yes. |
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| Pull plat DROP in filter put clips back in place and your done. Put some die electrical grease on all your wire plug inns and on radio wires
Keep all bolts and clips away from plate when you do the swap so you don't drop them in.
While your there spray some wd40 down the the Ignition switch |
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Ruskin, Fl | Also, the filter only fits one way. The four bolt holes that are closer together go toward thar seat. That would be the left side in the photo.
I emailed you a photo of the filter in place. I can't post photos here from my phone.
Edited by cw1115 2013-03-30 6:03 PM
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Central Maryland | Thank you Michael for the photo (I received it) and thanks to the rest of you all as well; with the info and tips. |
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Central Maryland | So I received and installed the new Lloydz upper air filter. I though that I read somewhere; that the new ones had a stiff mounting base? This one has a flexible rubber one. Used the Permatex #2 flexible gasket sealer (messy chit) and ultimately got it installed without too much of a mess:
Now I have one more question... how in the hell do you get to the fuel injector clips; to install a Dobeck or Lloydz fuel controller ???? Do you have to also remove the fuel tank covers (the body parts that run parallel on top; and each side of the of the upper frame) ??? Does it make it easier?
Edited by willtill 2013-04-04 1:29 PM
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Ruskin, Fl | It is a much stiffer base, but still has some flex to it. I haven't messed with the injectors but remember reading they are a bitch to get too. |
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| witchdoctor has a video showing how to. As i remember its not a vision but you'll get a good idea.
Permatex why your letting air in not keeping it out. O well |
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Central Maryland | Interesting how the stock metal plate had no gasket or sealant. Just metal to metal contact. |
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Galesburg, IL | I recently did this same installing the Lloydz secondary intake filter...the performance boost is incredible. I really like the sound coming from it as well! |
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Central Maryland | cw1115 - 2013-04-04 2:46 PM
It is a much stiffer base, but still has some flex to it. I haven't messed with the injectors but remember reading they are a bitch to get too.
You are not kidding about that. I was going to install my Dobeck but I gave up trying to get the front injector off yesterday; I could pop the red tap up and get the release to click; but there is no way I could get a good enough grip on it to pull it off.
I do hope it does not run too lean now; with the upper air filter installed only; and no additional fueling available. Do you think it would be prudent to get the local Vic shop to flash it with S1L2 ECU mappings? |
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Central Maryland | Bump for my last question. Anyone? Bueller? |
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The Vic Shop - Central Iowa | willtill - 2013-04-08 6:33 PM
Bump for my last question. Anyone? Bueller?
I have had some bikes in the past that would run fine with a top filter and no additional fuel. But recently the last few bikes have all needed more fuel and am retracting my previous statements that the top filter can be run without any other mods. I would suggest adding the controller.
An easy way to get the clip off is to
1 undo red safely clip
2 have a buddy on the other side of the bike with a long flat screwdriver
3 you push on the release tab while buddy pushes from the other side and you both pry up.
Edited by Vicbuilder 2013-04-08 9:04 PM
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Central Maryland | Vicbuilder - 2013-04-08 10:04 PM
willtill - 2013-04-08 6:33 PM
Bump for my last question. Anyone? Bueller?
I have had some bikes in the past that would run fine with a top filter and no additional fuel. But recently the last few bikes have all needed more fuel and am retracting my previous statements that the top filter can be run without any other mods. I would suggest adding the controller.
An easy way to get the clip off is to
1 undo red safely clip
2 have a buddy on the other side of the bike with a long flat screwdriver
3 you push on the release tab while buddy pushes from the other side and you both pry up.
Rylan, thanks... I am taking the day off today... just to try to get this done. I thought the headlight bulbs were challenging... these fuel injector plugs make the headlight bulbs look like a cakewalk. |
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Central Maryland | Gentleman... I am getting ready to head out in the backyard and attempt the removal of those danged fuel injector connectors again... bought a pair of long nosed 90 degree angle needle nose pliers from Harbor Fraught this morning....
...I shall report back with either a success story or a failed one. I hope for the first. |
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| Sure would like to see a picture of how these injectors clip together. I also need to get this done. But hate to pay someone to just undue a connector! |
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Central Maryland | Got 'er done!!! About three hours. Knuckles a little skinned up. I can see why heart and brain surgeons get paid so much. Minimal room to work; this is the tightest spot ever that I've working on a motorcycle.
Got the O2's unplugged as well, need to get some exhaust bung plugs 'cause I'm removing the sensor's completely. Ugly as hell sticking out of the head pipes.
Bike starts and the Dobecks lights are functioning normally (so far). Can't wait to get it out on the road and see what I can do with it. I feel a lot better now; knowing that I have the ability to add fuel since I installed the Lloydz upper air filter and was worried about a lean condition.
Scene of the crime:
Absolutely necessary; were these long nosed 90 and 45 degree angle pliers. They were VERY helpful in pulling out the original fuel injector plugs; positioning and plugging in the Dobeck's connectors to the OEM plugs, and ultimately repositioning the Dobeck's fuel injector plugs.
The Dobeck Jet kit installed under the V plate in front of the seat.
The front cylinder fuel injector plug; after installing the Dobeck. You can see some of my blood on the aluminum frame in the upper left hand corner of the picture.
The rear cyclinder fuel injector plug; after installing the Dobeck:
Edited by willtill 2013-04-09 1:38 PM
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Broken Arrow, OK | The blood pic is priceless, had me cracking up. Good job! Tool layout almost does look like a brain surgeon ready for work! |
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Chattanooga, TN | +1 on the blood. Congrats! |
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Central Maryland | wingit3611 - 2013-04-09 12:25 PM
Sure would like to see a picture of how these injectors clip together. I also need to get this done. But hate to pay someone to just undue a connector!
Here is the pic of what you are doing with the OEM plugs -vs- EFI (Dobeck or Lloydz) units:
These are not the exact pic's because the connectors are a little different than pictured. But this is what you will be doing. If you are brave. And have beer in the 'fridge to celebrate... once you are done :-)
Edited by willtill 2013-04-09 5:43 PM
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| willtill
you will need a special socket to get the 02's out |
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Central Maryland | johnnyvision - 2013-04-09 7:41 PM
willtill
you will need a special socket to get the 02's out
Can't get a socket on it while the electrical lead is attached to it... unless you wadded it up somehow and stuck it inside the socket wrench itself...
Just gonna use a regular wrench to remove them... not difficult access... maybe a little penetrating oil beforehand.... |
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| You can pickup the correct socket at Autozone. It is made with an opening down the side for the wire to stick through. The other way is just to use an open end wrench. I've done it both ways.
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Central Maryland | Bro's... the angle is right for a simple box end wrench or an open faced wrench... what's with all of the voodoo socket wrenches that you ar3e posting?
Aprils fools is over....!
Edited by willtill 2013-04-09 7:48 PM
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Question about Lloydz's upper air filter
