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Dallas, Texas | I have been looking for a better semi syn than Vics. Thinking of mixing 3 qts. dino with 1.5 qts full syns at the next change. Thoughts?
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Grand Cane, LA | So you are wanting to do this so as to save maybe $10 on oil changes? That's about the only benefit I see to trying it. You going to have to change the oil just as often because of the ratio of regular to synthetic, so no benefit there. |
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| I use full synthetic but from what I've learned from friends in the oil business your 2-1 ratio would have more synthetic than the oil companies put in theirs. Don't have any idea if it would help or hurt though. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | let us know how that works out..........
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Dallas, Texas | Ok, so the more I think about, the more that I think that I will go 4 qts good dino and 0.5 qt full syn. Hmmmmm.... |
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Desert Hot Springs (Palm Springs area), CA | iluvink - 2013-01-25 7:20 PM I have been looking for a better semi syn than Vics. Thinking of mixing 3 qts. dino with 1.5 qts full syns at the next change. Thoughts? I've been mixing 50/50 for the past 5 oil changes... Don't know why, just sounded good! <grin> |
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Dallas, Texas | JS5Owner - 2013-02-05 10:30 PM
iluvink - 2013-01-25 7:20 PM I have been looking for a better semi syn than Vics. Thinking of mixing 3 qts. dino with 1.5 qts full syns at the next change. Thoughts? I've been mixing 50/50 for the past 5 oil changes...? Don't know why, just sounded good!
Hmmm..so what brands of dino and syn do you use? |
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Desert Hot Springs (Palm Springs area), CA | iluvink - 2013-02-06 11:38 AM JS5Owner - 2013-02-05 10:30 PM iluvink - 2013-01-25 7:20 PM I have been looking for a better semi syn than Vics. Thinking of mixing 3 qts. dino with 1.5 qts full syns at the next change. Thoughts? I've been mixing 50/50 for the past 5 oil changes...? Don't know why, just sounded good! Hmmm..so what brands of dino and syn do you use?Good ol' Rotella! And yes, both are Jasco-MA, AND (in the voice of Forrest Gump) that is all I'm going to say about that...<grin> |
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| iluvink - 2013-01-25 7:20 PM I have been looking for a better semi syn than Vics. Thinking of mixing 3 qts. dino with 1.5 qts full syns at the next change. Thoughts? Not trying to afend you but do you think you know better then enginers who get paid to come up with the righ specs for oil. Now your going to add 3qts of one oil additive and then add a 1.5qt of anouther and hope they do the same job. I think you need a harley |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | +1 |
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| The synthetic oils have Viscosity Index Inhibitors for achieving the required weight (I.e. 40W) at different temperatures. Mixing Dino and Syn may adversely affect this . Oils are engineered products these days and trying to do alchemy by mixing different types may not be a good idea. You bought a well engineered motorcycle , be kind to it with the recommended oil for longest life. |
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | Synthetic jet turbine engine oils will not mix, if your fleet runs on EXXON 2380 and a quart of AEROSHELL gets added the two seperate like oil and water and never mix, just get foamy in circulation.
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Dallas, Texas | Oh boy...Is synthetic jet turbine engine oil, rated JASO MA? Clutch might slip though... |
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | iluvink - 2013-02-06 8:26 PM
Oh boy...Is synthetic jet turbine engine oil, rated JASO MA? Clutch might slip though...
What I'm trying to point out is petroleum based lubricant formulas will not intermix with purely chemically created lubricants and may cause problems up to causing catastrophic failure of the unit using that 'mix'. Like I said, it will be like oil and water it may work volume wise but not on a lubrication level-it's your motor so do what you want up to and possibly including being able to study the crankshaft through the side of the case.
Is all this sciency sorta stuff causing you some grief? |
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Desert Hot Springs (Palm Springs area), CA | SYNSTR - 2013-02-07 10:05 AM iluvink - 2013-02-06 8:26 PM Oh boy...Is synthetic jet turbine engine oil, rated JASO MA? Clutch might slip though... What I'm trying to point out is petroleum based lubricant formulas will not intermix with purely chemically created lubricants and may cause problems up to causing catastrophic failure of the unit using that 'mix'. Like I said, it will be like oil and water it may work volume wise but not on a lubrication level-it's your motor so do what you want up to and possibly including being able to study the crankshaft through the side of the case. Is all this sciency sorta stuff causing you some grief? Just to continue this a bit more... I called Shell a while back and asked them why their T-5 wasn't JASO-MA. The T-5 is their semi-syn. The tech, who was really nice and articulate, said that they didn't want to bother with such rating and that besides the dino and T-6 was and that the T-5 was just a blend of both.... So, that is why I have blended them and have had zero issues with them mixing. Now, I'm not claiming to be a chemist... I haven't noticed any "oil and water" type foaming or non-mixing. The oils seem to blend quite well. FWIW |
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Dallas, Texas | JS5Owner - 2013-02-07 12:21 PM
SYNSTR - 2013-02-07 10:05 AM iluvink - 2013-02-06 8:26 PM Oh boy...Is synthetic jet turbine engine oil, rated JASO MA? Clutch might slip though... What I'm trying to point out is petroleum based lubricant formulas will not intermix with purely chemically created lubricants and may cause problems up to causing catastrophic failure of the unit using that 'mix'. Like I said, it will be like oil and water it may work volume wise but not on a lubrication level-it's your motor so do what you want up to and possibly including being able to study the crankshaft through the side of the case. Is all this sciency sorta stuff causing you some grief? Just to continue this a bit more... I called Shell a while back and asked them why their T-5 wasn't JASO-MA. ?The T-5 is their semi-syn. ?The tech, who was really nice and articulate, said that they didn't want to bother with such rating and that besides the dino and T-6 was and that the T-5 was just a blend of both.... ?So, that is why I have blended them and have had zero issues with them mixing. ?Now, I'm not claiming to be a chemist... I haven't noticed any "oil and water" type foaming or non-mixing. ?The oils seem to blend quite well. ?FWIW
Did the Tech give you any idea of their percentage of dino/syn in the blend? |
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New Brunswick , Canada | Anybody tried this "Castrol Actevo X-Tra 4T Semi Synthetic Oil 10W40 " |
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| what you fall an hit your head?
What do you think your smarter then the engineers. If it was smart to do wouldn't every one be doing this in there cars and boats.
Run a 10/40 and be done with it. |
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Desert Hot Springs (Palm Springs area), CA | iluvink - 2013-02-07 3:03 PM JS5Owner - 2013-02-07 12:21 PM SYNSTR - 2013-02-07 10:05 AM iluvink - 2013-02-06 8:26 PM Oh boy...Is synthetic jet turbine engine oil, rated JASO MA? Clutch might slip though... What I'm trying to point out is petroleum based lubricant formulas will not intermix with purely chemically created lubricants and may cause problems up to causing catastrophic failure of the unit using that 'mix'. Like I said, it will be like oil and water it may work volume wise but not on a lubrication level-it's your motor so do what you want up to and possibly including being able to study the crankshaft through the side of the case. Is all this sciency sorta stuff causing you some grief? Just to continue this a bit more... I called Shell a while back and asked them why their T-5 wasn't JASO-MA. ?The T-5 is their semi-syn. ?The tech, who was really nice and articulate, said that they didn't want to bother with such rating and that besides the dino and T-6 was and that the T-5 was just a blend of both.... ?So, that is why I have blended them and have had zero issues with them mixing. ?Now, I'm not claiming to be a chemist... I haven't noticed any "oil and water" type foaming or non-mixing. ?The oils seem to blend quite well. ?FWIW Did the Tech give you any idea of their percentage of dino/syn in the blend?No he didn't... It would be interesting to know what the mix is for all the semis. |
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Dallas, Texas | Lojak - 2013-02-07 9:53 PM
Anybody tried this "Castrol Actevo X-Tra 4T Semi Synthetic Oil 10W40 "
I have heard good and bad things about it. Castrol's mc oils, dinos and blends, don't seem to hold up very well. Or at least that what I have found on some other sites. I heard their full syn isn't too bad, though. |
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Calgary, Alberta | Here's a blending thread worth reading
http://www.victoryforums.com/showthread.php?t=15235 |
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B'ham, Al. | Semi-syn can be no more than 30% syn per API stds. I checked with Valvoline about mixing them and they said 'absolutely no problem". The Vic. "engineers" that reccommend the Vic oil have to base their choice on one oil that will work satisfactorily in every place their bikes are sold. Quite a bit of temp differences in Minn. & S. Fla. While 20-40 might be satifactory in both, common sense would likely determine that perhaps 10-40 might work better in Minn. and 20-50 better in S. Fla. Just saying.............. |
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Chattanooga, TN | I think it would be better to blend a semi-synthetic with full synthetic oil since there is no evidence that the particular dino oil is in fact be compatible with full synthetic oil. But if it's engine longevity you want as well as extended oil change intervals, you can get a Barnett Racing clutch and use full synthetic Amsoil. Then double your change frequency. I'm jus sayin... |
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