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There are myths submitted on their site, but it isn't getting as much traffic as the does here. I think if we take our debate there, and keep it going, maybe they will do a segment.
You will need to join the forum, and after you do that I started a thread located here:
http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9701967776/m/5751...
If you are on other forums send them over to the Mythbuster site, because only with large numbers will we be able to get the to do it. |
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Rockford, IL | Steven-
Do a post here.... http://mcdarksiders.forumotion.com/
And here...... http://darkside.nwff.info/
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| Read the article in the new Rider magazine (the one with the Orange Star bike on the cover)...Those that think they are okay with car tires on bike might learn a little from this interesting review.....NEVER catch me with car tires on a bike...Not worth the risk and possible dangers...I am 72, don't ride hard and usually one-up, very little high speed freeway time so my Dunlops are fine for me....Too each his own as they say.....Be safe....... |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | opas ride - 2012-06-22 12:37 PM Read the article in the new Rider magazine (the one with the Orange Star bike on the cover)...Those that think they are okay with car tires on bike might learn a little from this interesting review.....NEVER catch me with car tires on a bike...Not worth the risk and possible dangers...I am 72, don't ride hard and usually one-up, very little high speed freeway time so my Dunlops are fine for me....Too each his own as they say.....Be safe....... +1 RIGHT ON !!! |
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New Bohemia, VA | What is there to "myth bust"? It's no myth, people do put car tires on a motorcycle. And you want to know a bigger secret? It's been done since the invention of the motocycle. Give it a rest.
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| opas ride - 2012-06-22 2:37 PM
Read the article in the new Rider magazine (the one with the Orange Star bike on the cover)...Those that think they are okay with car tires on bike might learn a little from this interesting review.....NEVER catch me with car tires on a bike...Not worth the risk and possible dangers...I am 72, don't ride hard and usually one-up, very little high speed freeway time so my Dunlops are fine for me....Too each his own as they say.....Be safe.......
I have read it, and it was well written, but it contained the typical manufacturer lawyer disclaimers and opinions. It had no empirical information, and writer didn't even bother to do a "real" test drive.
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| varyder - 2012-06-22 5:20 PM
What is there to "myth bust"? It's no myth, people do put car tires on a motorcycle. And you want to know a bigger secret? It's been done since the invention of the motocycle. Give it a rest.
What I would like to see it what it would take to make a car tire fail as if it were on a motorcycle hitting the turns hard. |
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| Lotzafun - 2012-06-22 1:09 PM
Steven-
Do a post here.... http://mcdarksiders.forumotion.com/
And here...... http://darkside.nwff.info/
And I'm sure there are a few other sites that can be discovered with a google search.
These sites are too one sided, and it would be better for both sides to air their opinions. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | No one with their Own legal dept will ever Recommend anyone to use a car tire on their motorcycle.. Even if the review does it themselves!! Hell i just read on msn.com today where a 11yr old from a little league game is being Sued because the ball hit a lady! $150,000.00 (parents home owners insurance) so i trust reviews on the "Darkside" from a magazine about as much as i trust the government.... |
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| Hey it's your ass and your bike....Do as you please, but if motorcycle manufacturers thought car tires were okay on bikes they would not be so against it....Most dealers will not install one your bike and I do not do my own....As I said above, It is your body and your bike...do as you please and what ever makes you happy....As for me I am not willing to gamble....Perhaps if I rode on the flat slab for long distances, with heavy loads, maybe I would look at it from a different view.......Choices are what makes America great for now....Not sure about the future....... |
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Pittsburgh, PA | opas ride - 2012-06-22 6:53 PM
Hey it's your ass and your bike....Do as you please, but if motorcycle manufacturers thought car tires were okay on bikes they would not be so against it....Most dealers will not install one your bike and I do not do my own....As I said above, It is your body and your bike...do as you please and what ever makes you happy....As for me I am not willing to gamble....Perhaps if I rode on the flat slab for long distances, with heavy loads, maybe I would look at it from a different view.......Choices are what makes America great for now....Not sure about the future.......
Manufactures also put in their owners manual to obey legal speed limits for personal safety of you and others, but then (1 example) suzuki hyabusa can almost go 200 mph for a street legal motorcycle. and the Dealers who wont install a car tire have No problems selling one of these 200mph bikes to a teen ager... a weak example but still ... |
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| People, put the rebuts on Mythbusters site. That is the point of the thread!!! |
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New Bohemia, VA | Arkainzeye - 2012-06-22 8:00 PM opas ride - 2012-06-22 6:53 PM Hey it's your ass and your bike....Do as you please, but if motorcycle manufacturers thought car tires were okay on bikes they would not be so against it....Most dealers will not install one your bike and I do not do my own....As I said above, It is your body and your bike...do as you please and what ever makes you happy....As for me I am not willing to gamble....Perhaps if I rode on the flat slab for long distances, with heavy loads, maybe I would look at it from a different view.......Choices are what makes America great for now....Not sure about the future....... Manufactures also put in their owners manual to obey legal speed limits for personal safety of you and others, but then (1 example) suzuki hyabusa can almost go 200 mph for a street legal motorcycle. and the Dealers who wont install a car tire have No problems selling one of these 200mph bikes to a teen ager... a weak example but still ... Excellent point in my book. I could go on about a sundry of things that we as humans, or citizens can do legally, but in the wrong application can be harmful or downright deadly. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | varyder - 2012-06-22 7:30 PM
Arkainzeye - 2012-06-22 8:00 PM opas ride - 2012-06-22 6:53 PM Hey it's your ass and your bike....Do as you please, but if motorcycle manufacturers thought car tires were okay on bikes they would not be so against it....Most dealers will not install one your bike and I do not do my own....As I said above, It is your body and your bike...do as you please and what ever makes you happy....As for me I am not willing to gamble....Perhaps if I rode on the flat slab for long distances, with heavy loads, maybe I would look at it from a different view.......Choices are what makes America great for now....Not sure about the future....... Manufactures also put in their owners manual to obey legal speed limits for personal safety of you and others, but then (1 example) suzuki hyabusa can almost go 200 mph for a street legal motorcycle. and the Dealers who wont install a car tire have No problems selling one of these 200mph bikes to a teen ager... a weak example but still ... ?Excellent point in my book. ?I could go on about a sundry of things that we as humans, or citizens can do legally, but in the wrong application can be harmful or downright deadly.
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New Bohemia, VA | sgiacci - 2012-06-22 8:20 PM People, put the rebuts on Mythbusters site. That is the point of the thread!!! I'm sorry, I wish I knew how to play well with others. I don't know what I'm rebutting, I don't think it is a myth that people use car tires on motorcycles, nor do I believe they go up in flames if they do. Unless you take every single bike in the world that has a car tire on it and an exact replication of bikes and riders without car tires and put them through exactly the same condition and circumstance and record exact data, this is all blah, blah, blah. What are you wanting Myth Busters do? What is the myth that you are trying to dispute? |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | varyder - 2012-06-22 6:01 PM I'm sorry, I wish I knew how to play well with others. SMART ... |
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| Thinking about this more... The argument about the OM states to follow legal speed limits is weak at best. There is a big difference between operating a vehicle above the posted speed limit and applying equipment to a system that wasn't designed to work with said system.
For example. A car tire weighs more than a motorcycle tire, sometimes significantly more, by mounting a CT into on to a motorcycle, one is changing the unsprung mass of that portion of the motorcycles suspension system. Changing the unsprung mass of any suspension system can and will have a negative consequence on the suspension system as a whole. For starters one can expect premature suspension component wear, wheel chatter, unpredictable handling, and possibly even sudden loss of control in some rode conditions.
The other thing to consider is most CT have a tread depth twice or more than a MT. This extra tread depth will allow for unanticipated lateral movement in turns as the tread flexes on the reduced sidewall contact patch in the turns. I can't see that as being a positive thing.
Of course the Darksiders argument will remain "you have to try it to appreciate it." No actually one doesn't have to "try" it to appreciate it. All one has to really do is appreciate the amount of effort, and understand how systems work to appreciate it, or in this case, dismiss it as something one does not need to try.
And I agree, this is no Myth, thus there is no Myth to bust. This is about less than 1% of all motorcycle riders wanting to save a few bucks, handling, reliability, and safety be damned. But really, if you really wanted to save a few bucks, there are much cheaper bikes out there as opposed to Victory.
The other argument that all motorcycles use to have car tires... Have you seen the car tires of that said era? Said tires of that era actually resemble modern motorcycle tires as opposed to modern car tires.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Kelvininin - 2012-06-25 7:49 AM Thinking about this more... The argument about the OM states to follow legal speed limits is weak at best. There is a big difference between operating a vehicle above the posted speed limit and applying equipment to a system that wasn't designed to work with said system. For example. A car tire weighs more than a motorcycle tire, sometimes significantly more, by mounting a CT into on to a motorcycle, one is changing the unsprung mass of that portion of the motorcycles suspension system. Changing the unsprung mass of any suspension system can and will have a negative consequence on the suspension system as a whole. For starters one can expect premature suspension component wear, wheel chatter, unpredictable handling, and possibly even sudden loss of control in some rode conditions. The other thing to consider is most CT have a tread depth twice or more than a MT. This extra tread depth will allow for unanticipated lateral movement in turns as the tread flexes on the reduced sidewall contact patch in the turns. I can't see that as being a positive thing. Of course the Darksiders argument will remain "you have to try it to appreciate it." No actually one doesn't have to "try" it to appreciate it. All one has to really do is appreciate the amount of effort, and understand how systems work to appreciate it, or in this case, dismiss it as something one does not need to try. And I agree, this is no Myth, thus there is no Myth to bust. This is about less than 1% of all motorcycle riders wanting to save a few bucks, handling, reliability, and safety be damned. But really, if you really wanted to save a few bucks, there are much cheaper bikes out there as opposed to Victory. The other argument that all motorcycles use to have car tires... Have you seen the car tires of that said era? Said tires of that era actually resemble modern motorcycle tires as opposed to modern car tires. very SMART |
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New Bohemia, VA | I'll give in to the "need" of a car tire for the Alaskian trip. Now that Rollin' has made the trip I would like to know if he felt it was necassary? Not for sake of an argument, but from a practibility stand-point. What would be the vice of using new E-3s for the same trip?
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Pittsburgh, PA | Kelvininin - 2012-06-25 9:49 AM
Thinking about this more... The argument about the OM states to follow legal speed limits is weak at best. There is a big difference between operating a vehicle above the posted speed limit and applying equipment to a system that wasn't designed to work with said system.
For example. A car tire weighs more than a motorcycle tire, sometimes significantly more, by mounting a CT into on to a motorcycle, one is changing the unsprung mass of that portion of the motorcycles suspension system. Changing the unsprung mass of any suspension system can and will have a negative consequence on the suspension system as a whole. For starters one can expect premature suspension component wear, wheel chatter, unpredictable handling, and possibly even sudden loss of control in some rode conditions.
The other thing to consider is most CT have a tread depth twice or more than a MT. This extra tread depth will allow for unanticipated lateral movement in turns as the tread flexes on the reduced sidewall contact patch in the turns. I can't see that as being a positive thing.
Of course the Darksiders argument will remain "you have to try it to appreciate it." No actually one doesn't have to "try" it to appreciate it. All one has to really do is appreciate the amount of effort, and understand how systems work to appreciate it, or in this case, dismiss it as something one does not need to try.
And I agree, this is no Myth, thus there is no Myth to bust. This is about less than 1% of all motorcycle riders wanting to save a few bucks, handling, reliability, and safety be damned. But really, if you really wanted to save a few bucks, there are much cheaper bikes out there as opposed to Victory.
The other argument that all motorcycles use to have car tires... Have you seen the car tires of that said era? Said tires of that era actually resemble modern motorcycle tires as opposed to modern car tires.
my good year assurance fuel max weighs 17lbs. so your saying a 180/60r-16 E3 is ALOT less weight than 17lbs? and will cause my suspension to break down? Does anyone know what a New E3 weighs? When i had my good year assurance in my hand it felt NO heavier than the dunlop i was taking off...
i guess the past 7 years of me riding the darkside on 3 different bikes, i must have been cheating death the 3 times i rode us129 (dragon) and the 16 states i rode through.. I bet if i didnt trade those bikes in with the car tire i would have surely went down in flames with in a few weeks.. My buddy on his GoldWing with over 80000 miles of darksiding, is probably going to crash any day now.. i should probably say good bye now while he is still around.. i wonder how many rear suspensions he went through since he was using a car tire.. I bet his drive shaft is ready to snap any day now.. for all the guys doing the Darkside with only a few thousand miles you better go back to the MC NOW!! do NOT pay any attention to the decades of people using car tires on their bikes. and never ever listen to someone that has tens of thousands of miles on a car tire.. they are Lieing.. its all myth!
If someone has like my buddy 80000 miles and 95% of those were with a car tire.. its B.S. it CAN NOT BE TRUE. because he shouldnt be alive. so that fact that he is alive and did Not go down in flames only proves he is lieing about using a car tire for all those miles... magazines with legal depts proven this... it CAN NOT BE DONE.. please save everyone you see with a car tire! you will be a Saint by saving a life! |
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| The myth is that car tires are better on motorcycles.
Why isn't anyone posting in the other forum?
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| Kelvininin - 2012-06-25 9:49 AM
Thinking about this more... The argument about the OM states to follow legal speed limits is weak at best. There is a big difference between operating a vehicle above the posted speed limit and applying equipment to a system that wasn't designed to work with said system.
For example. A car tire weighs more than a motorcycle tire, sometimes significantly more, by mounting a CT into on to a motorcycle, one is changing the unsprung mass of that portion of the motorcycles suspension system. Changing the unsprung mass of any suspension system can and will have a negative consequence on the suspension system as a whole. For starters one can expect premature suspension component wear, wheel chatter, unpredictable handling, and possibly even sudden loss of control in some rode conditions.
The other thing to consider is most CT have a tread depth twice or more than a MT. This extra tread depth will allow for unanticipated lateral movement in turns as the tread flexes on the reduced sidewall contact patch in the turns. I can't see that as being a positive thing.
Of course the Darksiders argument will remain "you have to try it to appreciate it." No actually one doesn't have to "try" it to appreciate it. All one has to really do is appreciate the amount of effort, and understand how systems work to appreciate it, or in this case, dismiss it as something one does not need to try.
And I agree, this is no Myth, thus there is no Myth to bust. This is about less than 1% of all motorcycle riders wanting to save a few bucks, handling, reliability, and safety be damned. But really, if you really wanted to save a few bucks, there are much cheaper bikes out there as opposed to Victory.
The other argument that all motorcycles use to have car tires... Have you seen the car tires of that said era? Said tires of that era actually resemble modern motorcycle tires as opposed to modern car tires.
Until you show use some facts (yawn) or are willing to take this debate to a group that has the resources to review this matter, than your droning is nothing but diatribe.
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| varyder - 2012-06-25 9:18 AM
I'll give in to the "need" of a car tire for the Alaskian trip. Now that Rollin' has made the trip I would like to know if he felt it was necassary? Not for sake of an argument, but from a practibility stand-point. What would be the vice of using new E-3s for the same trip?
Rollin' and his Alaskan trip is the only one so far that has come up with a semi-legitimate reason to run a car tire on a bike. The rest are just cheap bastards who bought a $20K bike and want to skimp on maintenance.
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