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"Slipperiness" in a Wet Clutch Many people have the misperception that since synthetics are more slippery than petroleum oils (which do not reduce friction as well), that wet clutch packs in either their automotive or motorcycle transmissions will slip when using "super slippery synthetics". This is just one of many myths about synthetics. Synthetic oils are no more "slippery" than petroleum oil. AMSOIL Synthetic Oils simply have a more uniform molecular structure which reduces frictional resistance better than the irregular shape and size molecular structure of a petroleum oil. Look at it this way. Wet sandpaper removes paint as well as dry sandpaper does. The slipperiness of the water does not impede the sandpaper's ability to function. The same applies to the "slipperiness" of synthetic lubes in wet clutches. If used dry, the sandpaper is soon filled with paint and no longer works- it slips across the surface without grasping the surface. If kept clean and free of paint, it continues to work. The lubricating/cleaning solution used can be water, soap, oil or any other liquid. The liquid's slipperiness does not affect the performance of the sandpaper. It is simply not an issue. However, just as rinsing the sandpaper keeps it cleaner longer so it functions better longer, so the AMSOIL Synthetic Oils keeps wet clutch plates cleaner longer so they function better. AMSOIL Synthetic Oils will prevent deposit buildup on clutch plates, therefore keeping the face clean and able to do its job in preventing slippage. And, since synthetics are superior cooling agents to conventional petroleum lubes, using synthetics will help wet clutches last longer, too. Petroleum oils have low resistance to heat and allow varnish and glaze to form on clutch plates, which eventually leads to slippage and increased heat generation and eventually failure of the clutch pack. Also, AMSOIL motorcycle oils are specifically formulated without any friction modifiers for compatibility with wet clutch packs. AMSOIL ATF lubricants are also designed with specific coefficient of friction values to meet the requirements of each and every specification that it not only meets, but far exceeds. Now you know the facts. The next time your buddy mentions using AMSOIL Synthetic Oils and Wet Clutches as a potential issue, you can explain to him exactly why it is simply not an issue. Be sure to check out the other Ten Myths of Synthetic Lubricants.
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New Bohemia, VA | john frey - 2012-05-08 6:46 PM Synthetic Oils:
"Slipperiness" in a Wet Clutch Many people have the misperception that since synthetics are more slippery than petroleum oils (which do not reduce friction as well), that wet clutch packs in either their automotive or motorcycle transmissions will slip when using "super slippery synthetics". This is just one of many myths about synthetics. Synthetic oils are no more "slippery" than petroleum oil. AMSOIL Synthetic Oils simply have a more uniform molecular structure which reduces frictional resistance better than the irregular shape and size molecular structure of a petroleum oil. Look at it this way. Wet sandpaper removes paint as well as dry sandpaper does. The slipperiness of the water does not impede the sandpaper's ability to function. The same applies to the "slipperiness" of synthetic lubes in wet clutches. If used dry, the sandpaper is soon filled with paint and no longer works- it slips across the surface without grasping the surface. If kept clean and free of paint, it continues to work. The lubricating/cleaning solution used can be water, soap, oil or any other liquid. The liquid's slipperiness does not affect the performance of the sandpaper. It is simply not an issue. However, just as rinsing the sandpaper keeps it cleaner longer so it functions better longer, so the AMSOIL Synthetic Oils keeps wet clutch plates cleaner longer so they function better. AMSOIL Synthetic Oils will prevent deposit buildup on clutch plates, therefore keeping the face clean and able to do its job in preventing slippage. And, since synthetics are superior cooling agents to conventional petroleum lubes, using synthetics will help wet clutches last longer, too. Petroleum oils have low resistance to heat and allow varnish and glaze to form on clutch plates, which eventually leads to slippage and increased heat generation and eventually failure of the clutch pack. Also, AMSOIL motorcycle oils are specifically formulated without any friction modifiers for compatibility with wet clutch packs. AMSOIL ATF lubricants are also designed with specific coefficient of friction values to meet the requirements of each and every specification that it not only meets, but far exceeds. Now you know the facts. The next time your buddy mentions using AMSOIL Synthetic Oils and Wet Clutches as a potential issue, you can explain to him exactly why it is simply not an issue. Be sure to check out the other Ten Myths of Synthetic Lubricants.
As soon as I saw AMSOIL MOTORCYCLE OILS you lost me. From there it was just blah, blah, blah, why my product is superior over the next product. Good speil though. I think amsoil is a good oil, and I believe it performs well under most circumstances. Given certain circumstances and behaviors, amsoil may not be the best application, and they'd be lying if they said so. I use to peddle Mobile 1 when it first came out. Read everything about Mobil 1 to include what others said about it. We had a regular customer with an older car come in and want Mobile 1. I refused to sell it to him at first and explained why. But he continued to insist and the boss said "do it". Well, he got a high price education in Mobile 1 in high mileage engines that had been on dino oil. My only point in this illustration is application. |
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Akron Ohio area | Since you don't know the difference between "your" and "you're" you've lost all credibility with me. |
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Chattanooga, TN | Your statement "Synthetic oils are no more "slippery" than petroleum oil. AMSOIL Synthetic Oils simply have a more uniform molecular structure which reduces frictional resistance better than the irregular shape and size molecular structure of a petroleum oil" contradicts itself. If one oil reduces frictional resistance better than another, then it IS in fact SLIPPERIER. Ba-zinga! |
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milwaukee wisconsin | one must understand what he is reading before he writes !!! |
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Pittsburgh, PA | the whole entire idea before synthetic has NOTHING to do with how slippery the oil is... email mobil, castrol any of the companies and they will all tell you the same thing.. the term synthetic only refers to man made... not how slippery it is... the Main idea behind sythetic oil it to withstand heat and breakdown better than dino oil. and then in most cases synthetic oil also keeps your engine cleaner because its not breaking down (burning) and leaving deposites. NOW while synthetics are NOT more slippery they DO have extremely pressure additives to withstand the pressures and forces within a engine.. im not talking about motorcycle oil, just synth in general. this isnt any kind of secret. any google search will prove this. hell even on the oil forums if a Newbie comes on there and buys brand A synthetic and then goes off on a rant about how slippery it is over dino you can believe the flame throwers are firing up..... googles top 10 myths about synthetic oil or anything other Myths about synthetic. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | a few myths from DIFFERENT makers (not just Amsoil)
mobil http://www.mobiloil.com/usa-english/motoroil/synthetics/myths.aspx
amsoil http://www.amsoil.com/articlespr/articlemyths.aspx
texlube http://www.texlube.com/oilmyths.htm
castrol http://www.castrol.com/castrol/genericarticle.do?categoryId=9014502...
Since any posting from amsoil is of course a LIE and cant be trusted. i decided to post 2 FAQ from mobil.. my guess they arent being truthful either.. only the maker of victory oil will tell the truth.. but of course they dont post any info at all on their oil. you just have to base you purchase on what your dealer tells you and we all know our dealers know Everything about the products they sell!
What are the overall advantages of Mobil 1 motorcycle oils?
In addition to the overall benefits listed above ? specifically, high-temperature stability and low volatility/low oil consumption ? Mobil 1 synthetic motorcycle oils also offer superior anti-corrosion performance compared to conventional motor oil, which is important in many parts of the country where bikes may sit in garages for several months of the year.
Compared to conventional oils, Mobil 1 motorcycle oils provide superior wear and high-temperature protection, and promote engine cleanliness and lower oil consumption.
Once you get past these general advantages, you have to deal with each specific motorcycle oil one at a time to understand the benefits.
Okay. Let's start with Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40. What does it offer that Mobil 1 for cars does not?
Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 is designed for sport bikes. Most of these bikes have multi-cylinder/multi-valve engines and use a common sump, which means the engine oil lubricates the engine, transmission and wet clutch. So unlike Mobil 1 for cars, Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 motor oil has no friction modifiers, which could lead to clutch slippage.
The motorcycle oil also has more phosphorus/zinc for enhanced wear protection at high engine speeds and high loads.
In addition, Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 has a high performance dispersant/detergent technology for better high-temperature performance and engine cleanliness. Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 is also offered in a different viscosity grade than Mobil 1 for passenger cars. (Updated December 2007)
Edited by Arkainzeye 2012-05-08 8:14 PM
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New Bohemia, VA | buy my synthetic, no buy mine, no, no buy mine....
just ribbing, I'm not recommending a full synthetic, but I don't believe you'll burn up if you do. Just know what you're doing and not doing something just because someone else said it was okay.... |
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Pittsburgh, PA | the reason why people want a "better" oil, full synthetic and dont just settle for what everyone else is using is the same reason why this is Not a Harley forum... |
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Litchfield Park, AZ | Comparing oil to sandpaper.....now I have hear it all! |
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Chattanooga, TN | Just wondering, if you put sandpaper in Amsoil 20W-50 would the clutch still slip? |
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Orlando, FL | John Frey, you are sooooooo right! What was I thinking. It wasn't the OIL causing my clutch slippage. At least not since I changed to this brand. Hey, it's a radioteacher recommended brand. And for the last 300 miles all the clutch slippage is GONE! Check it out!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fak_RmAp5M&feature=fvwrel
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San Antonio, TX | MaddMAx2u - 2012-05-08 9:15 PM
John Frey, you are sooooooo right! What was I thinking. It wasn't the OIL causing my clutch slippage. At least not since I changed to this brand. Hey, it's a radioteacher recommended brand. And for the last 300 miles all the clutch slippage is GONE! Check it out!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fak_RmAp5M&feature=fvwrel
This is a good one.....I am getting out the popcorn!
"It really is the best of both worlds!"
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Chattanooga, TN | Hey, Teach! I noticed that you change the oil from the driver's side of the bike. I almost always do it from the passenger side. Could this make the oil get dirtier? Also, I didn't see what you used to lubricate the filter gasket cause you did it so fast. Did you spit on it like the girls do in the movies or did you use Kentucky Jelly for that? Great instructional video otherwise, thanks! |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | More uniform molecules i.e smaller molecules
Lots of zinc which is a wadding metal |
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| baadawg - 2012-05-08 11:01 PM
Hey, Teach! I noticed that you change the oil from the driver's side of the bike. I almost always do it from the passenger side. Could this make the oil get dirtier? Also, I didn't see what you used to lubricate the filter gasket cause you did it so fast. Did you spit on it like the girls do in the movies or did you use Kentucky Jelly for that? Great instructional video otherwise, thanks!
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| Synthetic oil is Dino oil.....synthetic oil is refined under pressurized hydrogen. This causes a different break down in the refining process. Then they add VII's to the product to achieve the viscosity they require......just throwing that out there...their ...they're....lol |
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Pittsburgh, PA | chesshiretuna - 2012-05-09 11:42 AM
Synthetic oil is Dino oil.....synthetic oil is refined under pressurized hydrogen. This causes a different break down in the refining process. Then they add VII's to the product to achieve the viscosity they require......just throwing that out there...their ...they're....lol
Actually not all, but most synthetic oils are just a group III Base stock with a ton of additives. The word synthetic does not guarantee anything. Especially after the law/ruling was changed a few years ago about what can and cant not be labeled a synthetic oil.. |
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20 miles west of Chicago. | Using 50 weight oil instead of the reccomended ( Even by Amsoil) 40 weight, on the other hand, MAY cause the oil to not displace as rapidly from between the clutch plates, causing them not to fully engage as rapidly. Just a thought. |
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| Mudge - 2012-05-09 12:43 PM
Using 50 weight oil instead of the reccomended ( Even by Amsoil) 40 weight, on the other hand, MAY cause the oil to not displace as rapidly from between the clutch plates, causing them not to fully engage as rapidly. Just a thought.
This was my thought as well. I wouldn't use Amsoil 20w50... but I would use 10w40. |
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| Isn't Amsoil a subsidiary of Amway? |
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New Bohemia, VA | That's why I feel healthy when I use it.... |
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Orlando, FL | NO, NO, NO it's a subsidiary of the now defunct (?) Tupperware and I'm having a party!!! There will be all kinds of oil there, even a new SALAD oil by the Tupperware subsidiary. And you can use the left over containers for carrying all kinds of food!! |
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Pittsburgh, PA | sgiacci - 2012-05-09 3:02 PM
Isn't Amsoil a subsidiary of Amway?
what because they start with the same two letters??? |
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Sullivan, IN United States | Oh NO. Is this another oil thread? |
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Clutch Slipping YOUR all Wrong
