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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | Does anyone have any personal experience with this oil? If so, please let me know your experience and thoughts on using this as a replacement for the Vic Oil. Love it, hate it, OK, whatever.
Please, no comments on other oils. I have looked til I am silly and this is the only 20-40 semi synthetic motorcycle oil that I can find that mirrors the Vic Oil specs. I currently have Amsoil 20-50 MC oil and I have clutch slippage. It has to go!!
My current choices are Castrol 20W40 Actevo X-tra 4T Motorcycle Oil or wait until freaking Wednesday to drive an hour and get Vic oil. I ride daily and do not want to wait. I also don't want to change oil and have more or the same issues.
Thanks to anyone that might help in regards to this oil and this oil only. THANKS!
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | No but I hope you get a answer soon. Most of us get a little frustrated with having long drives to our own Victory shops for oil. Good luck MaddMax... |
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Arkansas | Used in for over a year now (except it's the 20w-50 I used). Good oil; the synthetic base stock is very good (if I remember right - poly alpha olefins). I think Castrol was the first to develop synthetic oil. Going from remote memory here and too lazy to look it up again. No clutch issues at all. Bought it by the case on sale at 3 or 4 $/qt, I think
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Pittsburgh, PA | if you go to www.bobistheoilguy.com i bet you can find someone that used that oil before. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | if you go to www.bobistheoilguy.com i bet you can find someone that used that oil before. |
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Tourer
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| I do not understand why you guys continue to frustrate yourselves with oil choices...Amsoil or other snake oils.....Use the Victory oil that the factory would prefer you use and move on...Life has enough issues without screwing around with oil for your bike....In most cases the ones with clutch issues,etc.etc. go back to Vic oils and no more problems...Why buy a very expensive bike and put some crap or non-specified oil in it in the first place???? I am aware that in many cases some have to ride/drive long distances for Vic oil, as do I, but I try to buy and extra oil/change to have on hand when needed...Works for me anyhow......
Edited by opas ride 2012-05-06 1:12 PM
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Chattanooga, TN | Opa, some of us prefer the convenience of picking up a few jugs of oil wherever we can, others prefer going 5k miles since a 2500 mi oil change may not get us there and back. Thanks for simplifying the situation though to a point that it suits your purpose which seems to show that you're smarter than the rest of us...lol! |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Oh shit here we go again...... He was asking if anybody used it, not a lecture on Victory oil pros and cons. Yes this being said from someone who buys (4 to 5) five quart Victory oil jugs at a time so I don't have to go back and forth all year.........
You may already have this, but here's the numbers on the Castrol
CASTROL ACTEVO X-TRA X-tra Protection for Your Engine
Castrol Actevo X- tra with Trizone Technology is a part-synthetic 4-stroke motorcycle oil specially formulated with Heat Protection Molecules to protect your bike's engine against high temperature deposits and wear. These advanced molecules combat and minimize the formation of harmful high temperature combustion deposits which start to occur when your bike is working hard - on the open road or in dense city traffic.
BENEFITS
■Part synthetic 4-stroke motorcycle oil
■Outstanding high temperature air-cooled engine performance for hard working bikes
■Superior high temperature oil consumption and oxidation control
SPECIFICATIONS
API SERVICE: Exceeds API SG
JASO (T903): JASO MA-2
VISCOSITY: SAE 10W-30 // 10W-40 // 20W-40 // 20W-50
Edited by XRsteve 2012-05-06 1:35 PM
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | XRSteve! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! |
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Tourer
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Chattanooga, TN | You're welcome. Oh, wait, you meant XRSteve? Just my social graces coming out I guess. Well if anyone else would like to challenge me in a pissing contest, I'll have you know I can piss a hole in the snow quickly and quite often!
Edited by baadawg 2012-05-06 1:53 PM
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Pittsburgh, PA | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBlcXOrLR-M&feature=youtu.be
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Pittsburgh, PA | lilttle clutch video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTgy3qdg1X0&feature=relmfu
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Good video.............. |
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| I wounder how you use the clutch and what and where do you get this slippage?
The only reason I ask is cause ever since 2000 all clutch material is designed to be use with synthetic oil.
So how do you ride the clutch to get your slippage?? |
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | Oh John. You are so wrong. Just check with KevinX. The Vic's are NOT designed or made to use all synthetic oil. That's why Ma Vic recommends a blend. And the clutch slippage happens without touching the clutch at all. This is not about manually slipping the clutch. Check out Arkainzeye's video and you'll understand clutch slippage discussed, which in cases like mine has NOTHING to do with the operator's use of the clutch, but rather is about the clutch just slipping! |
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | Thanks to all for the efforts to assist. I have decided to be patient and drive for an hour to the dealer on Wednesday and revert back to Vic Oil. This seems to be the best way to resolve my issue. I will just have to be a cager for the next few days. ARGHHHHHHHHHH!!
Edited by MaddMAx2u 2012-05-06 5:15 PM
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Tourer
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| Read the above posts and I rest my case!!!!! NO problems reported using Vic oil I can recall...Not lecturing anyone, we all have the freedom of choice, so far, just stating the obvious....... |
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | Opas, your reply indicates you did not bother to read my initial post.
QUOTED FROM MY INITIAL POST SINCE YOU DIDN'T BOTHER TO READ IT BEFORE:
Please, no comments on other oils. |
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Tourer
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| Your right...I said to myself a while back DO NOT respond to any oil questions/threads because they just get folks upset....Unless my old brain forgets I will remember my advise........ |
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Pittsburgh, PA | opas ride - 2012-05-06 5:56 PM
Read the above posts and I rest my case!!!!! NO problems reported using Vic oil I can recall...Not lecturing anyone, we all have the freedom of choice, so far, just stating the obvious.......
actually there are TONS of posting of problems using VIC oil... not the SAME problem but problems never the less... noisy start up,rough shifting, problems finding neutral all when the mileage on the oil gets some mileage on it. =) |
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Jasper, MO | Arkainzeye - 2012-05-06 8:09 PM
actually there are TONS of posting of problems using VIC oil... not the SAME problem but problems never the less... noisy start up,rough shifting, problems finding neutral all when the mileage on the oil gets some mileage on it. =)
You, sir, are absolutely correct. This whole Victory oil debate started 13 years ago precisely because of the reasons you just enumerated. The problems usually manifested themselves around the 2000 mile mark. Some of the early bikes even had transmission failures. Some of us used the logic that there was nothing we could do to change the transmission design, but we could try different lubricants to see if any would help alleviate the problems. Many of us ended up using Amsoil after trying several other brands. There are more synthetic oil alternatives today than there was in 1999/2000.
My 2000 SC was one of the bikes that had a transmission that got noisy and balky after 1500-2000 miles on the Vic oil. After trying a couple of alternatives, I settled on Amsoil. I began stretching out the change intervals until I reached 5000 miles. I've been going 5000 miles on changes for several years on that bike and it actually shifts as smooth or smoother than my Vision today. Yes, it still has the original transmission. I've also used Amsoil in my 2008 Vision from the beginning, also going 5000 miles per change. The one time I used Vic oil in it, because I was out of Amsoil, the Vision's transmission started getting "notchy feeling" and neutral became elusive after the oil had 2000 miles on it. I'll never put the Vic stuff in my bikes again. It breaks down too fast. I think the transmission problems with some of the early bikes was the inferior oil not providing sufficient lubrication after it had a couple thousand miles use. I also think that is why Victory specified the absurdly low 2500 mile oil changes. The Vic oil isn't any good for more than that. YMMV.
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Pittsburgh, PA | with that i find it easy to believe there could be something wrong or not "right" with the clutches on some visions be it springs or anything else. i mean if victory had a Known defect in their earlier transmissions (its all over thevfc )would it be so hard to think some of the clutch components might not be 100% from the factory.? or at the very least in some of the higher mileage visions the spring could need replaced. hell i even read on here of 2 visions so far that needed a transmission rebuild... be it either a dog that broke or some other part. my point is.. if thousands and thousands of people can use amsoil 10w40 motorcycle oil in all their makes and model motorcycles NOT JUST victory and they have no problems at all. is it really the oil makers fault when your clutch starts to slip? or it is something much more.. just like i said in a earlier post.. my honda accord has a known transmission issue. if i change to a more expensive fluid and the trany still fails is it the fault of the fluid maker or the designer of the trany.... |
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North Billerica, MA | From what I have read, the JASO MA-2 classification differs from the JASO MA in that the MA-2 is a subgroup designed for newer bikes with catalytic converters. (06 and up)
As the Vision has a converter, It would seem on paper that the Castrol 20w-40 Actevo 4T Semi-Syn would be ok.
Has anyone run this oil in their Vision that can comment? |
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Cruiser
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| I am currently running this oil and have a little over 1000 miles on it with a KN oil filter. I have not noticed any problems at all. I asked Rylan TVS about it and he highly recommended staying with the victory oil from his many years of working on these motors. Like he said for a couple of bucks more why take any chances. I will be heading back to Ma Vic for my next service but really feel that this oil is the same oil and victory plus all Polaris products are really contracting with Castrol for all there motor needs. My clutch works fine as I can pull the front tire in 1st, 2nd and 3rd is very close with the front end getting very looseu |
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New Bohemia, VA | even with AMSOIL I still had to change my oil around 3,000 to 3,500 mark because of the chatter. To me the chatter meant less cushion for the pushin' so it was time to put in a good cushion. I switch to Rotella full syn since so many said it was good. I never notice any dramatic change between AMSOIL and Rotella full-syn. Same interval, same service life. I had used a full synthetic for most of the miles traveled up to around the 90,000 something mark and then I noticed a preceived slippage on hard roll-ons from stops or entrance to the interstate, which I was full throttle and shifting gears. I became attentive to it enough to come to think it was now time for a new clutch. As a final ditch effort with nothing to lose, I went to a semi-blend as recommended by the OEM. I began using Lucas 10w40 motorcycle oil with the proper JASO rating. After the third change, I did not notice any further slippage, and it had began gradually going away after the first change. The second change was relatively quick to "wash" out the "bad stuff" and it seemed to have paid off. It's now 60,000 miles later and I do not regret going back to the semi-syn, nor have an issue to change the oil every 2,500-3,000 miles, that is just the price of ownership. I got on it hard just yesterday and did not notice any slippage as I screamed in front of the semi doing about 80 as I came off the shoulder. If I needed to, I would use the Victory oil without thinking twice, just hasn't been convenient.
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Castrol 20W40 Actevo X-tra 4T Motorcycle Oil
