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| I ran into a problem the other day. I noticed when starting out from a light that one cylinder was cutting out. It only happened with very light throttle up to about 1500 rpm. I figured it was a plug or something but just for the heck of it checked how the mapping was doing in the PCV. Turned out the Autotune was going crazy and had continued to lean the #1 cylinder mixture right at the 2% range until it had damn near turned the gas off completely. I zeroed out those very lean map spots and it immediately went back to normal. I called PC and they seem to know something about it and told me to update the firmware, reload the original PC map and try it again. That was now 2 weeks or so ago and after some initial trimming it has stabilized and is running perfect. Probably not a bad idea to download their current firmware if you haven't done so lately.
Power Commander V Firmware V0.1.8.5 Marc
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AZ | For those of us (okay me) who haven't a clue how to use a computer beyond surfing web sights and sending the occasional email, how is this downloading done?
Just so you understand, I had to have DynoJet techs on the phone (twice) talking me thru how to get one of their maps from their web sight into my PCV a year and a half ago which was both my first and last download of anything of that sort.
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| I can certainly understand your concern in performing the firmware upgrade. The first question is if you have Autotune or not. If you don't then what I experienced you needn't worry about. Having said that it is still a good idea to keep your PCV up to date so I have a few suggestions. The first is to contact PC again and have them walk you through it which is certainly doable but probably not something you'd be looking forward to. For that matter they have a program which allows them to log into your computer while its attached to your PCV and do the upgrade for you as long as the computer is hooked up to the internet. The other solution is much easier and that is to ask someone else to do it for you. The process is very simple for anyone with computer experience which probably includes 90% of those under the age of 30 so if there are any kids or grand kids in the family I'm sure they could do it easily. Another way is to take the bike by a computer shop and ask one of their techs to bring out his laptop and do it for you. Just show them the link I posted above.
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AZ | Thanks Marc.
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Chesterfield, VA | How can you determine what version firmware you are currently running?? I assume it is listed somewhere on the screen when you have the PCV program loaded. |
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| sarvbill - 2012-02-27 7:30 AM
How can you determine what version firmware you are currently running??? I assume it is listed somewhere on the screen when you have the PCV program loaded.
It's under one of the drop down menus..... try either Help --> About.... for something under the File menu.... I know it's there. |
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SoCal HiDesert | Thanks for the heads up ... great posting!
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| RLJ3RD - 2012-02-28 11:07 PM
Thanks for the heads up ... great posting!
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Prescott, AZ | If you do the install of the Power Commander V and Auto Tuner yourself, is there any need or reason for the bike to need to go the dealer to be "flashed"? |
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Orlando, FL | Dreesq the answer is NO! Hell no. That's part of the point of getting the PC 5 and the Autotune. Essentially the PC5 and the Autotune module work off the base map of your stock ECU and create a new map that meets your equipment needs, constantly adjusting the map to suit your riding style, altitude, equipment changes, etc. |
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Prescott, AZ | MaddMAx2u - 2012-03-03 2:22 PM
Dreesq the answer is NO! Hell no. That's part of the point of getting the PC 5 and the Autotune. Essentially the PC5 and the Autotune module work off the base map of your stock ECU and create a new map that meets your equipment needs, constantly adjusting the map to suit your riding style, altitude, equipment changes, etc.
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AZ | dreesq - 2012-03-03 10:12 AM
If you do the install of the Power Commander V and Auto Tuner yourself, is there any need or reason for the bike to need to go the dealer to be "flashed"?
When I bought and had my S1L2 pipes installed I did have them "flash" my ECU to factory stage one values (part of the S1L2 purchase). My reasoning was if my PCV ever failed on me, and having upgraded both my air filters/exhaust, my ECU would not revert back to non-stage one values causing an extremely lean running condition.
Also irt previous posts in this thread, I've checked my A/F ratios at idle (approx 1,000rpms) and each cylinder was bouncing between 13.0 and 13.5 after warming up for about two minutes. So I don't think I'm experiencing the Auto tune "leaned out" condition as Marc was experiencing below 1500 rpm.
Still don't know how to do downloads (or un-compress files for that matter). My IT department staff at my work refused to do it for me (on their own time) citing liability concerns, or even teaching me how to do it. Maybe someday someone will post the steps to do both in a Vision Tech reference thread for all use "dinosaurs"...well I can always dream
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | MaddMAx2u - 2012-03-03 4:22 PM
Dreesq the answer is NO! Hell no. That's part of the point of getting the PC 5 and the Autotune. Essentially the PC5 and the Autotune module work off the base map of your stock ECU and create a new map that meets your equipment needs, constantly adjusting the map to suit your riding style, altitude, equipment changes, etc.
That is not exactly correct. The auto tune is to create a user map by excepting trims, and once it has reachedd the desired table. You no longer need to run the feature. It is not designed for real time fine trim, and it will not work that way. Talk to the PC tech guys, and they will gladly dispell the many myths surrounding the operation of those things
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| dreesq - 2012-03-03 11:12 AM
If you do the install of the Power Commander V and Auto Tuner yourself, is there any need or reason for the bike to need to go the dealer to be "flashed"?
YES! Remember, the ECM (the main onboard computer that gets "flashed") does more than just control basic fueling. It controls most of the onboard functions of the bike. Often times, just like with computer software in general, the manufacturer will find bugs or make changes that they slipstream into various updates that are then released for download. The Victory "flashes" are no different. The OEM stock flash from 2 years ago is more refined in the latest release than it was then. In the same way that you do Windows Updates to correct bugs, why would you not want to do the same for your bike's computer software? I can understand not wanting to pay for an "Update" to a Stage map, but the stock map flashes are free. Personally, if I had a Stage map, I'd pay once every year or two to get the latest bug fixes for it too.
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| kevinx - 2012-03-03 8:16 PM
MaddMAx2u - 2012-03-03 4:22 PM
Dreesq the answer is NO! Hell no. That's part of the point of getting the PC 5 and the Autotune. Essentially the PC5 and the Autotune module work off the base map of your stock ECU and create a new map that meets your equipment needs, constantly adjusting the map to suit your riding style, altitude, equipment changes, etc.
That is not exactly correct. The auto tune is to create a user map by excepting trims, and once it has reachedd the desired table. You no longer need to run the feature. It is not designed for real time fine trim, and it will not work that way. Talk to the PC tech guys, and they will gladly dispell the many myths surrounding the operation of those things
Mine works in real time, I can watch it happening.
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | You are watching the map, temp, and AT sensors move things around to compensate for load. Plug your lap top in and you will NOT see the tables move around. Spent 45 minutes on the phone with one of the ENGINEERS last week; talking about this. |
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| kevinx - 2012-03-04 10:51 AM
You are watching the map, temp, and AT sensors move things around to compensate for load. Plug your lap top in and you will NOT see the tables move around. Spent 45 minutes on the phone with one of the ENGINEERS last week; talking about this.
The main PC-V tables don't move, but the trim tables do, and you can see the aggregate effect in real time in the AFRs !! I can reset my trim tables (without importing them first) which throws the AFRs off a little because they are set by the main table... but as I ride, I can watch the AFRs come quickly back in line in real time..... trim is determined in real time, and the effect is cumulative between the main tables and the trim tables....
I don't know how the older AT units work, but that is definitely how mine does.
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Pittsburgh, PA | i know this is kind of a apples to orange thing. but i would love to see someones Auto tune map with the same setup i have. (s1l1 with lloyds top filter) i would like to see How the auto tune changed the tables over what Power commander providse to the public. Just curious... |
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Pittsburgh, PA | just a heads up.. if you tried to update your firmware on your pc5 make sure you Update the software for the desktop/laptop First!!! i was trying to update my firmware and it would say failed.. over and over. btw my pc5 software was from late 08 to mid 09. once i downloaded the NEW software i was then able to install the new firmware... was very easy. and since i was doing all that i left the USB wire in the pc5 and ran it up through my trunk so if i ever need to connect my laptop up again i just have to open my trunk... |
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| Arkainzeye - 2012-03-05 12:10 PM
just a heads up.. if you tried to update your firmware on your pc5 make sure you Update the software for the desktop/laptop First!!! i was trying to update my firmware and it would say failed.. over and over. btw my pc5 software was from late 08 to mid 09. once i downloaded the NEW software i was then able to install the new firmware... was very easy.
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| Arkainzeye - 2012-03-05 3:10 PM
just a heads up.. if you tried to update your firmware on your pc5 make sure you Update the software for the desktop/laptop First!!! i was trying to update my firmware and it would say failed.. over and over. btw my pc5 software was from late 08 to mid 09. once i downloaded the NEW software i was then able to install the new firmware... was very easy. and since i was doing all that i left the USB wire in the pc5 and ran it up through my trunk so if i ever need to connect my laptop up again i just have to open my trunk...
That's the way I did it when I first hooked up the PC-V. I knew I'd need occasional access, so I left a usb cable plugged in, and coiled the excess cable with the pc connector in the XM radio compartment in the saddlebag. |
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Orlando, FL | kevinx - 2012-03-03 9:16 PM
MaddMAx2u - 2012-03-03 4:22 PM
Dreesq the answer is NO! Hell no. That's part of the point of getting the PC 5 and the Autotune. Essentially the PC5 and the Autotune module work off the base map of your stock ECU and create a new map that meets your equipment needs, constantly adjusting the map to suit your riding style, altitude, equipment changes, etc.
That is not exactly correct. The auto tune is to create a user map by excepting trims, and once it has reachedd the desired table. You no longer need to run the feature. It is not designed for real time fine trim, and it will not work that way. Talk to the PC tech guys, and they will gladly dispell the many myths surrounding the operation of those things
So Kevin, are you telling me that you NEED to flash the stock ECU to get the best results from a PC 5 and Autotune? Sorry, ain't buying it and that was Dreesq's question that I answered. The PC 5 and autotune will work just fine without a stock ECU "flash" from Vic. There's absolutely no reason to throw away $200 or so to the dealer and Ma Vic for a "flash" to the stock ECU. That's what the PC 5 and Autotune do for you.
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AZ | Arkainzeye - 2012-03-05 2:10 PM
just a heads up.. if you tried to update your firmware on your pc5 make sure you Update the software for the desktop/laptop First!!!
Is the above quote telling me I have to "update the software for my desktop/laptop" or I have to update the software of my PCV before updating the firmware?
I"m aware that I come across as a "dimwit" on this board with my lack of anything more then basic computer ability (I won't call it "skills"). I do appreciate any and all advice/help I've received on this forum...I just wish I was in a position of knowledge to give back the same.
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Pittsburgh, PA | its one of the same... by updating the powercommander software FOR your desktop or laptop you ARE updating the powercommander software. the firmware update is DIFFERENT from the software update. btw here is the link to the downloads...
http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander/Downloads/powercommand...
RCS - 2012-03-05 9:21 PM
Arkainzeye - 2012-03-05 2:10 PM
just a heads up.. if you tried to update your firmware on your pc5 make sure you Update the software for the desktop/laptop First!!!
Is the above quote telling me I have to "update the software for my desktop/laptop" or I have to update the software of my PCV before updating the firmware?
I"m aware that I come across as a "dimwit" on this board with my lack of anything more then basic computer ability (I won't call it "skills"). I do appreciate any and all advice/help I've received on this forum...I just wish I was in a position of knowledge to give back the same.
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