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VisionTex
Posted 2008-01-15 3:47 PM (#4267 - in reply to #4264)
Subject: RE: Vision vs. Ultra


Visionary

Posts: 1484
LaPorte,Tx.
varyder - 2008-01-15 2:01 PM

Hat's off to you Victory, or should I say Polaris for taking a chance and winning. I will go on to say that the announcement in February about the newest Vic will turn even more heads and grab a big market share.


I agree 100%, but I think I'm the winner. I can only hope that Victory's new motorcycle will be a bad ass V-Twin sport or sport touring motorcycle.
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sandman
Posted 2008-01-15 3:48 PM (#4268 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Cruiser

Posts: 294
rhode island
by the way, the brakes on the vision should be brembo , does any one know why victory changed to nissan. my 2002 t.c would stop on a dime . i hope victory brings them back and while there at it give a.b.s as an option. this would win over a lot more hardcore touring guys an gals
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BUCKEYE
Posted 2008-01-15 6:50 PM (#4274 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Iron Butt

Posts: 904
29 Palms California
right on! I read today in a cruiser mag. from an obvious HD guy. He said, "is it me, or does the new victory vision resemble the tsamanian devil cartoon about to eat the front tire?" I think, with some imagination, you can visualize this. Kind of a cool thing, I think.
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SongFan
Posted 2008-01-15 7:31 PM (#4275 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis
Sandman, the reason I heard for the brake change was because Brembo was too limited on the shape and colors of the reservoirs. Three or four finishes, rectangular only. Victory wanted more flexibility in the design options. May or may not be true, just what I heard.
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sandman
Posted 2008-01-15 8:16 PM (#4277 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Cruiser

Posts: 294
rhode island
songfan,i hope cost savings didnt have anything to do with the change. this is the only real performance issue with the vision,maybe its the extra weight but stopping isnt as crisp as my t.c, still the best bike ive ever ridden
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jama
Posted 2008-01-15 8:40 PM (#4282 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Cruiser

Posts: 293
Arkansas
my guess for the change from Brembo is that HD contracted with Brembo this year to supply all their
brakes. Quite a bonanza for Brembo(250,000 units quaranteed every year, vs. only several thousand units for Victory's
production. I assume Brembo abandoned Victory. I have no facts, just presumtions.
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SongFan
Posted 2008-01-15 8:45 PM (#4283 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: RE: Vision vs. Ultra


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

Be sure to look at the photo section of the website when you read the article. Also, read the comments at the end. (Luzzy pipes up for the good guys.) Even if the "numbers" had been a draw, the significance of X-factor cannot be truly explained in a written article. You have to pull up on a Vision and notice the looks before you even park it and get off. You have to watch out the window from inside the business/restaurant as middle aged guys stop dead in their tracks and start walking around it. It is mind blowing how many non-motorcyclists absolutely love this bike and would never had said anything about another motorcycle. I love pulling up to a crowded four way intersection with a long stop light and playing with the power windshield and XM radio. Sit next to a stressed out mom in a minivan/SUV with young kids onboard and within seconds you can have the whole car smiling and pointing.

Comparing the Vision "numbers" against the Ultra, Goldwing, or K1200LT only goes so far. Bragging rights are nice but there will always be pluses and minuses for each one.

The reaction I get every time I go out on the Vision cannot be measured with numbers. The gate guards at work had a bet going about how much I paid for my bike. The estimate was between $40,000-55,000 since it was obviously a prototype or one-off bike. When I told them $22,000, the same as a Harley, they freaked out. None of those guys/gals will probably ever be able to afford a Vision, but every one of them absolutely loves it. They have one of the most mundane jobs on earth and they jump up, smile and comment every time I pull in.

Vision vs. XXXXXX......the numbers are nice but they're not the reason.

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cjnoho
Posted 2008-01-15 9:42 PM (#4284 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Visionary

Posts: 1324
So Cal
I dont see any problem with the Vision brakes. Locked them up several times without inducing a skid. Which I like, if your skidding, your not stopping as well as you should. I dont get the low speed handling either. On the Vision I can come to a stop and still keep both feet on the floorboards for what seem like an eternity before I have to drop one to the ground. Because of vibration, you cant do that on the HD.
Low speed corners on the HD is like wrestling a bear. Like you guys said. Mor saddle time on the Vision would have improved an already positive out come. The attentions nice also. I think people feel that a Vision rider is more approchable than a HD rider.
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SongFan
Posted 2008-01-15 9:48 PM (#4285 - in reply to #4284)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

I think people feel that a Vision rider is more approchable than a HD rider.

I agree 100%.

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cjnoho
Posted 2008-01-15 9:58 PM (#4288 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Visionary

Posts: 1324
So Cal
Thats cause Vision riders are grinnin from ear to ear. HD riders dont smile cause theyre broke.
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BUCKEYE
Posted 2008-01-15 10:54 PM (#4293 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Iron Butt

Posts: 904
29 Palms California
It could be because their broke, or they just don't know what piece will fall off, break,or wreak havoc on the engine, then they go broke.
HD and trailer vehicle on log rides...thats how we use to roll CJ...remember that? Time in the saddle on a Vision, and I'm sure those small discrepencies would not have made it to ink. It was, very fair...you know it killed the writter.
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cjnoho
Posted 2008-01-15 11:08 PM (#4295 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Visionary

Posts: 1324
So Cal
I used to work at a place that sold Range Rover. When we saw one on the lot with out of state plates, we'd start guessing how many tow trucks it took to get to CA. HD aint far behind.
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BUCKEYE
Posted 2008-01-16 12:12 AM (#4298 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Iron Butt

Posts: 904
29 Palms California
lol
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DesertJim
Posted 2008-01-16 10:42 AM (#4303 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Tourer

Posts: 496
Scottsdale AZ
So I took a ride and did a lot of testing like the article said, that being stop and go with a lot of shifting. My report was no problem with the thighs. I had my wife check my thighs also, no damage. What is this guy thinking? Not even close.

I did find it took a little getting used to on slow speeds with the Vi vs. other bikes I've had. It seems like you need to "wait for the Vision" instead of trying to anticipate the balance issue. However, after getting familiar with it it now seems really fun and easy at low speeds. It is just much more stable, without the vibrations of other bikes. Fun to see how long I can balance at a stop sign before a foot goes down.
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BUCKEYE
Posted 2008-01-16 7:55 PM (#4313 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Iron Butt

Posts: 904
29 Palms California
Complete stop...4.5 seconds as long as my next move is a turn. Straight complete stop, 2.5 seconds. I'm working on it...
Since the article, I've tried to rub my thighs on the seat or tank. Unless I put my sac up on the tank (nearly impossible) thats the only thing that rubs. Still confussed on that. DesertJim, I'm glad your wife's inspection showed no damage.
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varyder
Posted 2008-01-16 10:21 PM (#4320 - in reply to #4313)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA

I believe the article was written to be bias and when the author found it hard to say bad things about the Vision he had to over emphasize little things or make something up. I ride daily and I rode my GL1200 for two years prior to the ViVi and had it masters as close as I could get without going to a riding course. I still had stability problems coming up to stop lights, tight turns, and traffic manuevering. I rode the GL1200 to Texas and back living on it for any where from 11 hours to 19 hours a day, which was a 3,200 round trip. I still had the same issues even though I would "practice" slow stops at every stop. In heavy traffic I would back off and move to the right and stay there or even stop for a while and sike up for another shot.

From day one, when I get on the ViVi, it is as though I have always ridden it. I have a much better confidence, even in heavy traffic, even to the point that I remind myself I'm on two-wheels with no shield. At stops, I come to a complete stop before putting a foot down, but mostly, I stop and go without putting my feet down, something I was only able to do occassionaly on the GL1200. On the twisties on the GL1200 I have spooked myself many times and have backed off in turns I was uncertain of, only to find I could have taken it with ease. On the ViVi, I have yet to backed down from any twistie, even to the point of laying it hard in the lean and going WOW!, I did that.

I would like to meet the article author to find out what he really thought about the ViVi, because I believed he was paid a premium to write the dumb stuff to sway minds, but couldn't honestly put the HD on top. My 2 cents.

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cjnoho
Posted 2008-01-17 12:56 AM (#4323 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Visionary

Posts: 1324
So Cal
I dont get his clutch lever problem either. The pull on the Vision clutch is the lightest I have ever had on any motorcycle.
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BUCKEYE
Posted 2008-01-17 8:16 PM (#4347 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Iron Butt

Posts: 904
29 Palms California
i think he just has weak forearms! I agree that it's very smooth and easy to squeeze. By the way, isn't the clutch lever adjustable? Guess they could find the "sissy" setting.
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cjnoho
Posted 2008-01-17 9:12 PM (#4354 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Visionary

Posts: 1324
So Cal
Yeah! Tell the writer to butch up and quit sniveling.
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BUCKEYE
Posted 2008-01-17 9:23 PM (#4358 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Iron Butt

Posts: 904
29 Palms California
LOL
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cjnoho
Posted 2008-01-17 9:48 PM (#4364 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Visionary

Posts: 1324
So Cal
When I was a kid I had to walk 20 mi. in the snow with no shoes, to get to school.
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BUCKEYE
Posted 2008-01-18 12:23 AM (#4386 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Iron Butt

Posts: 904
29 Palms California
I'll bet he can't open a twist of long neck...by the way, where's the pollopoot? He's been quiet. Did his wife drop his bike into the garage again?
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varyder
Posted 2008-01-18 5:38 AM (#4388 - in reply to #4386)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
Now Buckeye, you could have gone all day without saying that about pollo...

Edited by varyder 2008-01-18 5:38 AM
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ez chair
Posted 2008-01-18 9:08 AM (#4393 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Cruiser

Posts: 111
Maine
The familiar option for all other Victories is the "easy pull" clutch lever. Foreget it no room for install on Vision. The Vision pull is stronger than the "easy pull" but not that much. It may be a So. Cal. thing, cjnoco. In Maine we walk 25 miles up hill both ways in the snow to get to school.
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DesertJim
Posted 2008-01-18 10:17 AM (#4397 - in reply to #4196)
Subject: Re: Vision vs. Ultra


Tourer

Posts: 496
Scottsdale AZ
This clutch is a piece of cake, they must be just lookin for something, man up!! Were is that Tennchickin?
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