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Tacoma, WA | Seems there are some 'experts' who like to put out "facts" that have no basis. The fact is, car tire tread is SOFTER than motorcycle tread, and, yes, tread is indeed NEEDED. If tread was not needed on pavement, there wouldn't be any. On a closed-course race track, yes, tread is minimal, as conditions are as good as possible (no rain, track kept free of debris, etc) and traction is best when contact patch is larger, so less tread is desirable. Add in the real world, where we all ride, and the variables require tread. Rain, any oil, or fuel on the roadway, and tread becomes a godsend. A car tire has that in spades. Even in a corner, it is more than a motorcycle tire. All that being said, I ride with E-3's on my Vision, because of the great mileage I get, and the lack of hassle from shops, who don't like to mount tires other than M/C on bikes. I do have one on one of my shaft driven bikes, though, as they seem to tear through tires really quickly.-------Metalguy |
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Keep in mind that if you run a car tire and something happens. They would have to prove in a court of law that the car tire and you were at fault. Something goes bad on the motor or light or radio I don't think tire would have any thing to do with it. God for bid if you were in a accident they still would have to prove the tire was at fault. Yes they would have there experts say no to car tire on bike but then you have thousands of darkside rides saying there wrong.
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| donetracey - 2010-10-04 8:51 PM
OH - I get it !!!
ALL the manufacturer's of bikes are in cahoots on this. They ALL get kickbacks from the tire makers so they keep us dumb bikers from knowing the truth! Darksiders are the only ones who know what's really going on! WOW !
A 'CONSPIRACY' !!!! Let's go get 'em, boys! Gotta love it!!!! Drag the insurance companies into this - that'll settle it....
Conspiracy = business model, and all successful companies follow successful business models. Manufactures continue to make money long after they sell a bike through service and parts, and their viability depends on this. So it is to their benefit to make parts that have to be replaced over the course of ownership. Now what I find very interesting is that the 2 tires on a motorcycle are comparable in cost to the 4 tires on a car, based on a reduced yearly mileage due to seasonal riding. A successful business model at work. Now what happens to us riders who exceed that average riding season – we incur more cost compared to the average car for wearable parts – is that fair? Doesn’t matter, it is business, but like most people I have a limited budget and costs have gone up while our pay hasn’t. Many preach the dangers of going to a car tire, but why isn’t the US DOT warning us of the dangers about using a car tire on a motorcycle? They have had plenty of time to warn us. The answer is simple, there is no risk, and the US DOT knows there is no risk. Keep in mind tire classification is not a requirement. The US DOT only “requires” us to use tires that have the proper loading capability, and that is why you will not see a MT on a car, now that is a risk. Now that this thread is completely jacked, I think I can get us back on track. Lemon laws state that a MFG has to prove that a deviation from recommended replacement part was the “direct” cause of a said failure, and in the case of a tire that could prove to be extremely difficult for the MFG. There was a time in our history of transportation that you could not tell the difference between CTs and MTs, but as cars got bigger and heavier, the tires needed to support that weight also changed. Look at the pictures below, can you tell me which tire is the CT, and which is the MT?
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New Bohemia, Va | trick question - too bad they are tires for vehicles not designed and produced in the last decade... |
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Salisbury, NC | I'm on my second C/T. I had a little over 23,000 miles on the first one, hope to get the same or better out of this one. The only weak link in the drivetrain that I have found so far is the bolt that holds the front sprocket on. There is a large lock ring that holds that bolt in place and I spun the bolt in the lock ring which made the front sprocket pull the belt into the engine block. I replaced both front and rear sprocket along with the belt. It has been great since. I like the fact that you can hear the tire spinning through 5th gear, but I am sure that had nothing to do with me spinning the bolt in the lock ring. ET |
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New Bohemia, Va | only 23,000? What is the tire rated at for mileage. I had figure it would be more along the lines of 50,000 to 70,000. |
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| goodgeorge - 2011-03-08 9:27 AM
I have a 2009 Vision and it was $18,500. When I went to get a new rear tire the local dealer charged me $300 just for the tire and $20 to install it on the rim. Just because someone pays thousands for a motorcycle does not mean they should have to spend $300 for a tire that may last 10,000. I want value for my money and there is no reason for the high price of a motorcycle tire other than greed. Personally I wasn't impressed with the radial tire, seems like you give up grip for longevity. Does anyone change their Victory tires themselves and what do they use?
Thank God for motorcyclists! and keep the rubber side down.
SteveTo answer the question:"does anyone change their Victory tires themselves?" in a word "yes."
In 40 years of riding I have never paid anyone to change a MC tire for me. $300/tire, I think not. My last Avon Cobra cost less than $200 and $0 labor to change. I do not have any fancy equipment, just a set of MC tire irons passed down to me by my great uncle. |
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Moravia, IA | He may have changed it just to try out another tire.....Darksiders are commonly tinkerer's like that. 
Ive got 26K on a Bridgestone Potenza and it looks like 60% or better tread - Im still running it. |
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| Cap'n Nemo - 2011-04-10 5:19 AM
trick question - too bad they are tires for vehicles not designed and produced in the last decade...
No it isn't.
I stated - "There was a time in our history of transportation that you could not tell the difference between CTs and MTs".
Well can you?
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New Bohemia, Va | rather easy for most over 50, top tire is obviously for a 1940-50, somewhere around there, perhaps later, motorcycle tire. The second tire would be from the early century cars like the old model T's and the such, hard rubber. |
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Salisbury, NC | I think I mentioned that I like hearing the tire squall while changing gears. It wears the tread off all the way across the tire. ET |
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| Cap'n Nemo - 2011-04-10 9:15 PM
rather easy for most over 50, top tire is obviously for a 1940-50, somewhere around there, perhaps later, motorcycle tire. The second tire would be from the early century cars like the old model T's and the such, hard rubber.
Nice... You hit it on the head for the car tire, but the bike is off just by a hair. The bike tire is for a 1930-40 bike, but still and very good shot. |
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New Bohemia, Va | sgiacci - 2011-04-11 8:30 PM
Cap'n Nemo - 2011-04-10 9:15 PM
rather easy for most over 50, top tire is obviously for a 1940-50, somewhere around there, perhaps later, motorcycle tire. The second tire would be from the early century cars like the old model T's and the such, hard rubber.
Nice... You hit it on the head for the car tire, but the bike is off just by a hair. The bike tire is for a 1930-40 bike, but still and very good shot.
I would say later also, this guy has a thing for authenticity on his '48 Harley. I've not done any "googling" to substansiate anything but I would give the tire a little more time in use...
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