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Cruiser
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Colorado | http://www.cycleworld.com/custom/stream/stream.asp?webtrends_sectio...
Although ABS will be standard in the future? |
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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | I hope the future is 2009! |
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Tourer
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Carrollton, TX | I think you will see ABS as an option soon like it is on the Gold Wing but not standard. If they make it standard they would have to raise the price and history has shown with Gold Wings that only about 30 to 40% of buyer will pay for the ABS option, mostly inexperienced riders.
The Vision's unique linked braking system really works well.
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Craig "Spock" Edland
2008 Vision Tour Premium on order (Midnight Cherry)
2003 Vulcan 1600 Classic
badnvegas - 2008-01-05 12:26 AM
http://www.cycleworld.com/custom/stream/stream.asp?webtrends_sectio...
Although ABS will be standard in the future? |
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New user
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| The problem im hearing with ABS brakes is that if the bike isnt going straight or isnt vertical the ABS can actually be more dangerous, causing sliding and loss of controll. And like spock said the linked braking system works very well. |
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Tourer
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Scottsdale AZ | I sure agree, it is a mixed bag. I have been thankful for ABS at times and other times I have cussed it. I think it depends on whether you are straight up or leaning most of the time. Also agree with a couple of other the front brakes are a little soft. I think the sensor for transfer of front and back have been noticeable a few times. I do like that. |
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Iron Butt
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29 Palms California | my brakes work a little more crunchy than the e-glide I got rid of, however I'm moving with more weight. I have no problem with the current system, and would probably not do well with ABS. I "pump" when in a skid as a reflex since thats what I've always done. I'm sure the newer riders would benifit from ABS. My personal reaction has transfered from 4 wheels and the white powder. Anytime I go into a skid, it's automatic...pump the brakes. |
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Visionary
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So Cal | How did we ever survive before ABS and air bags? Oh, thats right, we learned how to ride and drive the right way. Todays cars have so many safty devices that are designed to keep us alive and people are still dying in accinents. The saftey impovement we need to make is behind the wheel. Because of the tech advances we have neglected to improve the drivers skills which seem to be deteriorating. |
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Tourer
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20 miles west of Chicago. | Amen! |
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Visionary
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LaPorte,Tx. | I have never owned a bike with ABS, but I've watched demos on their ability to stop a slide and I believe it would be helpful. We have all learned how to ride without them and we do a fine job. We can adjust to riding conditions that we know about and we know how to brake in them, because we are smart, right. The big advantage of having an ABS system is the road condition you don't know about, that's were I've had my slide issues. Oil on the road is the worst condition I've had to deal with. |
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Visionary
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| ABS brakes are only as good as the person using them. There are way too many people that don't use them correctly in cars so why would they really decide to install them in motorcycles? As I am sure you have noticed many cars manufactures have made them an extra cost item now. Why, people don't learn to use them properly and complain about them. Kind of like people that over oil a K&N air filter and then say the y a no good.
Chrysler came out with the first hydraulic brakes and they did not become widely used for years. Chrysler came out with seat belts in cars. People did not buy them cause they thought that meant the cars weren't safe. How many people do you know that own 4 wheel drives and have no idea how too drive properly with it? See a pattern here?
Let's see, intelligent equipment is only as good as the dumbass using it. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | Interesting, and I'm sure I'm getting ready to show my ignorance, but that is nothing new.  I thought that ABS were designed for the masses because they didn't know how to properly brake. Now you are saying that it takes special intelligence to use something that has intellegence built in. I do agree that ABS work differently and that people have probelms with them because they don't lock up like they think brakes should, thus thinking they are somehow faulty. On a motorcycle, I'm not sure if I really want to have that kind of functionality because I do know how to feather, or even do a controlled lock-up (to a degree), so ABS would not be a feature I would want on my motor. I'm still wondering if I think it is still a good idea that when I apply by rear brakes, there is an application to a degree on the front brake. It took me a while to accept that on my Goldwing since when I first started riding I rode a 750 with total independant braking. So my point is that when it is stated a person needs to use ABS properly to me it implies they are to have some sort of understanding, when I thought that they were designed because people didn't have an understanding of how to properly brake to begin with. Bottom line is that people need to know how to drive, PERIOD. Especially, without cellphone, make up mirrors and now, watching movies on their iPods. My rant for the day.  |
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Iron Butt
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29 Palms California | good rant, and I agree. |
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Visionary
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So Cal | Great rant from both.
On auto ABS in a panic situation the brake pedal will start to chatter and pulsate. This freaks drvers out and they release the pedal pressure. Proper operation is to maintain pedal pressure rgardless of what the pedal is doing. Opposit of what we learned without ABS |
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Puddle Jumper
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| Yeah i'm kind of like my own ABS after so many years! I was wondering about that vertical versus turning though. Interesting. |
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behind the times aren't they
