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SongFan
Posted 2008-03-11 8:19 PM (#6692)
Subject: Review by Motorcycle Consumer News


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

Grebs_59 posted a great article today about how the Vision is made but the MCN review of the Vision is the one I have been waiting for. For those of you who don't know, MCN is 100% subscriber supported, meaning no advertising at all. It is expensive ($7.00/issue) and until last month was printed in black and white. These guys bow down to no one and are notorious for calling it like they see it. They are the Consumer Reports of motorcycling. If you are the sensitive type and they review the model you ride, you will probably remember the article for all of the faults they found and then printed out for the world to read.

The April edition has a Supersteel Gray Tour, ridden two up, leaning left through a sweeper, in full color, taking up almost half of the entire cover. All it says on the cover is Victory Vision. No clue what is to come. The feature is four pages long - Two pages of writing, broken up into six categories; Powertrain, Chassis & Suspension, Wheels, Tires & Brakes, Instruments & Controls, Styling & Ergonomics and Final Thoughts. One page of pictures with captions and excerpts from the Testers Logs. The final page is specifications and performance data. It is laid out like Consumer Reports with with numbers and measurements out the wazoo. Of note is the Dynomometer Data, Performance stats, and the Rating System which has a 5-dot table exactly like Consumer Reports. Ok, enough intro, on to the test!

The title of the article is Victory Vision Tour - The World's Biggest Sport-Tourer? (This made me grin since my previous ride was a Kawasaki Concours.) The author is Gary Prickett. The road test was conducted in Southern California as part of a multi-day sport touring ride. The Vision was thrown in with 22 highly experienced riders on mainly BMW GS's and Roadsters with a few Yamaha FJR's and FZ1's thrown in. (Can you imagine a Harley Ultra being tested with this group!?) The Vision Tour weighed 890 lbs, wet.

Powertrain: The majority of the riding was on twisty roads between 35-65 mph. They flogged it hard and spent most of the time in 2nd and 3rd gear, with the tach between 3000-5000 rpm. Gas mileage obviously suffered but the engine never overheated or made any mysterious noises. It was also flawless at highway speeds, 65+. No vibration, good throttle response and they really thought the closed-loop fuel injection was dialed in for maximum comfort and performance. They like the 6-speed tranny but said that lazy shifting will result in some "banging" of the gears but preloading the shifter made for smoother gear changes. They liked the light clutch pull.

Chassis and Suspension: They describe the frame, airbox, precision-drilled mounting points, suspension travel and air-adjustable rear shock. They said the suspension was very effective (given the size of the bike) but the passenger reported that sharp bumps weren't always damped. (Just ask PalmBeachRider's passenger.)

Wheels, Tires & Brakes: 16" rear wheel is critical to the low, 28.245" seat height. The downside is checking and inflating the rear tire. Most of the wheel is taken up by the brake rotor on the left side and belt drive on the right. "This is one bike that could certainly benefit from the installation of an integrated tire pressure monitoring system in conjunction with an angled valve stem." (Couldn't have said it better myself. My personal #1 beef.) They liked the linked braking system and said it worked well but, like most reviewers, were surprised it didn't have ABS.

Instruments & Controls: They really like the dash display, calling it "exceedingly legible". They thought that the trigger for cycling through the LED displays was "Very clever". It's not really clear what the test bike had on it but they mention all of the electronic options and noted that the premium integrated sound system was an obvious priority with focus groups. They mention the power outlets and all of the controls and buttons on the dash and handlebars. No mention of playing with the GPS, XM sat radio or intercom system.

Styling & Ergonmics: "The chance of achieving consensus is highly unlikely, especially when the Victory Vision is the subject of discussion." They note that love it or hate it, it will stand out in any crowd. They said that Victory "nailed it" in the comfort department. Loved the seat padding, wind management (power windshield & winglets), heated grips and seats, and adjustable pedals. The long floorboards and tipover points were also noted. They mentioned the "fiddly factor" in having to remove the bolts and nuts that attach the license plate bracket and frame in order to remove the trunk.

Final Thoughts: Luxurious. Looks like nothing else. Commended Victory for their bold design leap. "...created a motorcycle that exudes quality and comfort and that offers handling characteristics that equal or exceed all the other players in the market." Although maybe not a true sport-tourer, equally up to the challenge of long distance luxury touring or twisty back road romps.

Tester's Logs: The author, Gary Prickett, has logged 40,000 miles on a BMW K1200LT. (Of note, he called it his previous favorite experience with a touring bike.) He noted that engine and suspension differences give the LT a slight edge when running hard and fast on twisty roads but the difference wasn't as much as he would have thought. He does not consider himself a cruiser kind of guy and seemed genuinely surprised that nothing scraped on the twisty roads. He is 5'8" tall and really loved the fact that he could place both feet flat on the ground at a stop. He noted that most people who saw it liked it...a lot. The other tester was Frank Santos, who rode passenger. Loved the plush back seat and got minimal buffet, even with the windshield at its lowest position. Two issues; Grab rails were too far forward and the protruding tabs were in the wrong spot. Mounting/dismounting was awkward. Once seated, loved it.

Stats: 80.3 hp, 93.4 lb/ft torque, measured top speed - 118.1 mph, 1/4 mile - 12.96 sec/100.55 mph, 0-60 mph - 4.65, speed at 65 mph indicated - 63.7.

Overall rating 4 (very good) out of 5. Lowest rating was 3.5 (tranny) highest was 4.5 (ergonomics, instruments/controls, attention to detail) 4 dots for Engine, Suspension, Brakes, Handling, Riding impression, Value.

"Picks" - Beautifully finished style, great motor, remarkable comfort, stability and cornering behavior.

"Pans" - No ABS (noted that even Harley offers it), no centerstand (preferably electric), no reverse.

I don't know about the rest of you but it sounds like they've been reading our mail!

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PalmBeachRider
Posted 2008-03-11 8:48 PM (#6693 - in reply to #6692)
Subject: Re: Review by Motorcycle Consumer News


Cruiser

Posts: 256
Florida
Hey SongFan, thanks for the info. I let my MCN subscription lapse a few years ago and just renewed it with the hope of getting its Vision review.

One of my original gripes on the Vision was the lack of a reverse gear as it was helpful on my Goldwing. However, after removing the trunk and logging some miles, I've found it's not as important as I originally thought as I've had little difficulty in backing it up...but I live in the flatlands of Florida and try to eyeball a parking space before I pull in. I agree about the tire valve and of course the ergonomics of the bike.

I also agree that MCN provides the best bike reviews for the same reasons you stated. Fred Rau has done a great job keeping that mag up and running. You already know my thoughts on advertising supported magazine reviews.
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varyder
Posted 2008-03-11 10:28 PM (#6700 - in reply to #6692)
Subject: RE: Review by Motorcycle Consumer News


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
Here is the report from September 2007. http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/features/Vision1stImpSept07.pdf

Edited by varyder 2008-03-11 10:31 PM
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g1nomad
Posted 2008-03-12 12:44 PM (#6718 - in reply to #6692)
Subject: RE: Review by Motorcycle Consumer News


Tourer

Posts: 562
SC, Bluffton
SongFan - 2008-03-11 8:19 PM
Powertrain: The majority of the riding was on twisty roads between 35-65 mph. They flogged it hard and spent most of the time in 2nd and 3rd gear, with the tach between 3000-5000 rpm. Gas mileage obviously suffered but the engine never overheated or made any mysterious noises. It was also flawless at highway speeds, 65+.


I couldn't believe how high in the RPMs the guy was pushing it. Obviously crotch rocket racers at heart.
I felt bad putting mine at 4,500 a few times, put I had to fit into traffic flow from a stop. 65 MPH in 3rd ?

I subscribe to about 8 magazines. I think 1 prequalification should be the writer has never driven a Ninja.
I don't care about racers. I live in a world of speed limits, and grocery store runs. And at that, I do around
12,000-15,000 miles a year.

All in all, MCN gave the Vision 4 out of 5 stars. I know plenty of the guys at the Goldwing board read the
MCNews, so maybe they will quit bad mouthing the Vision so much. (o:

Herb
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pollolittle
Posted 2008-03-12 2:06 PM (#6721 - in reply to #6692)
Subject: Re: Review by Motorcycle Consumer News


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
No crotch rocket riders in the bunch if they can't even scrape the floorboards, I run it over that far and I'm not even blowin through the twisties. It is very easy to lean into a slow turn give some throttle and scrape. I have run mine in 3rd up to 70 just getting on the freeway, what a rush.
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varyder
Posted 2008-03-12 9:15 PM (#6734 - in reply to #6721)
Subject: Re: Review by Motorcycle Consumer News


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
pollolittle - 2008-03-12 2:06 PM

No crotch rocket riders in the bunch if they can't even scrape the floorboards, I run it over that far and I'm not even blowin through the twisties. It is very easy to lean into a slow turn give some throttle and scrape. I have run mine in 3rd up to 70 just getting on the freeway, what a rush.


Sounds like we ride the same. I look forward to a ride with you. First bike I've scraped and never even flinched.
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VisionTex
Posted 2008-03-12 10:34 PM (#6744 - in reply to #6734)
Subject: Re: Review by Motorcycle Consumer News


Visionary

Posts: 1484
LaPorte,Tx.
varyder - 2008-03-12 8:15 PM

First bike I've scraped and never even flinched.


Have you done it "2-up" yet.......! "Giddy-up".
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varyder
Posted 2008-03-13 8:01 AM (#6765 - in reply to #6744)
Subject: Re: Review by Motorcycle Consumer News


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
VisionTex - 2008-03-12 10:34 PM

varyder - 2008-03-12 8:15 PM

First bike I've scraped and never even flinched.


Have you done it "2-up" yet.......! "Giddy-up".


Not yet!, but stranger things have happened.
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