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savage |
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Cruiser Posts: 228 | as to the question of oiling while leaning on the stand.....do you go around curves and corners without leaning??? pretty hard to do with the bike straight up so it will oil!! And all this cornering and leaning at a much greater angle than on the stand with hot oil and the engine spinning several thousand RPM......what a bunch of BS!!! IMHO By the way...for the 40 years I have ridden....always in neutral. | ||
glighto11 |
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Iron Butt Posts: 741 Central New York | My personal opinion about the louder ticking while on the sidestand is that it is not an oil issue but rather a gravity issue. I think the sideways angle and low RPM's cause the cam chain to slide to the side of the gears and tensioners. | ||
baadawg |
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Tourer Posts: 499 Chattanooga, TN | I use Feng Shui to help reduce the instances of mechanical breakdowns. Ie: When I park at night, and will be starting it back up in the morning, I face the bike east to meet the rising sun and ensure a trouble-free start. | ||
donetracey |
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Visionary Posts: 2118 Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | savage - 2010-07-01 4:46 AM as to the question of oiling while leaning on the stand.....do you go around curves and corners without leaning??? pretty hard to do with the bike straight up so it will oil!! And all this cornering and leaning at a much greater angle than on the stand with hot oil and the engine spinning several thousand RPM......what a bunch of BS!!! IMHO By the way...for the 40 years I have ridden....always in neutral. Problem as stated by VisionTex: A person who knows the 106 Freedom motor inside and out told me the oil pump - side stand lean angle issue was casued by the reduction in the 106 oil capacity vs. the older Freedom motors that had an extra quart of oil in the oil pan. Lets see - 30 seconds of warm up at idle with no oil being picked up by the pump into a cold drained engine VERSUS 4 or 5 seconds of left hand curve at several thousand with hot oil already pumped to all parts of the engine.... hmmm - what situation do ya think will do the most damage? Gee, I wonder.... any guesses anyone? | ||
cw1115 |
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Visionary Posts: 1290 Ruskin, Fl | I used to leave it in neutral so I could start it and let it warm up while I got my helmet and gloves on. Last month somebody backed into my friends HD soft tail in a parking lot. It would have certainly fallen over if it was not in gear. Now I leave it in first. | ||
candubrain |
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Cruiser Posts: 235 Kincardine, Ontario, Canada | baadawg - 2010-07-01 12:23 PM I use Feng Shui to help reduce the instances of mechanical breakdowns. Ie: When I park at night, and will be starting it back up in the morning, I face the bike east to meet the rising sun and ensure a trouble-free start. I hope my wife doesn't read this.........LOL | ||
hoosiervic |
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Tourer Posts: 492 Indianapolis, IN | rwilly - 2010-06-29 11:32 PM Neutral on flat ground, in gear on a hill. Had a previous bike fall while parked on an uphill orientation. Due to an uneven spot in the pavement at the back wheel and the front being near the edge of a sloped curb, I guess for drainage purposes I suppose. All felt stable as I exited the saddle. Within two steps away from the bike I heard that terrible crash sound. From then until today, always in gear and shut down with kill switch first. Kill switch because sometimes it can be awkward on an uphill to let off the hand break or pick up the right foot for the foot brake while you reach up for the ignition key. Not impossible but just real easy with the kill switch, (we all know how goofy a guy looks when he lifts the right foot for the foot brake, having leaned slightly to the left for balance purposes, only to realize the hard way that there is sand or gravel under the left one. ) Man I hate when that happens. | ||
hoosiervic |
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Tourer Posts: 492 Indianapolis, IN | savage - 2010-07-01 6:46 AM as to the question of oiling while leaning on the stand.....do you go around curves and corners without leaning??? pretty hard to do with the bike straight up so it will oil!! And all this cornering and leaning at a much greater angle than on the stand with hot oil and the engine spinning several thousand RPM......what a bunch of BS!!! IMHO By the way...for the 40 years I have ridden....always in neutral. I really don't have any scientific proof regarding the oil pick up while on the side stand, but I am absolutely sure that centrifugal force in a turn will always hold the oil in the bottom of the oil pan where it will be picked up by the oil pick up tube, just as it holds you firmly in the seat. Otherwise you would fall off the bike way before the engine was starved of oil. Hmmmmmmmmm. If you are good you can even swing an open bucket of water around and over your head without getting wet. I dare you. And by the way, how in the world have you ridden for forty years straight and always kept it in neutral? Botta-Bing!!! Sorry, I had to. | ||
K2V2 |
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Cruiser Posts: 162 Northern NJ | bigwill5150 - 2010-06-29 11:02 PM In gear. I always kill the engine in gear ... +1 | ||
wroman |
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Tourer Posts: 432 Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | This is what Vision riders talk about. If we all had Harleys we could all talk about how to make our bike run right with one of the many cam/tuner/exhaust combos out there. Having a great running problem free bike is sometimes boring. | ||
Big Vic |
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Iron Butt Posts: 619 Southeast Iowa | Always in neutral unless on a incline. Never use kill switch just turn the key off (you have to anyway right?) Most of the time I start the bike on the kick stand. To say you starve the bike for oil if it is slightly leaned over sounds crazy to me............we all know this is a pressurized lubrication system don't we??? | ||
savage |
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Cruiser Posts: 228 | Big Vic - 2010-07-02 6:50 AM Always in neutral unless on a incline. Never use kill switch just turn the key off (you have to anyway right?) Most of the time I start the bike on the kick stand. To say you starve the bike for oil if it is slightly leaned over sounds crazy to me............we all know this is a pressurized lubrication system don't we??? +1 Big Vic!! To say that one of (if not the best) engineered motorcycles in the world is incapable of idling while on the sidestand due to the engineers dropping the ball when designing this bike is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard! Polaris Industries and Victory would never had let this go due to untold warranty and possibly safety issues that would arise. I have one question: Does your low oil pressure light come on while idling on the side stand? Mine never does! I usually start mine and let it idle while I'm putting my gear on.....no problems in 20K miles. | ||
varyder |
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Visionary Posts: 8144 New Bohemia, VA | sometimes I wonder, other times I just wander.... | ||
Vinner1 |
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Cruiser Posts: 266 Hartland, , WI | Same routine always...that's why routine is now habit. Stop bike in gear...even when getting gas (if you ever have had to pick up a bike in public you'll know why it makes sense to leave it in gear...so far, I never have dropped a bike but have helped several at gas station lift their bike back up...they weren't red faced because of grunting)...turn off IPOD, raise windshield, shut off button, key off, HID light switch off (08), shut off button back on, unplug head set, kickstand down, dismount (grabbing my pants cuff to help lift my boot clear over the seat, hate scuff marks more than being called stiffy). Mount up...plug in headset, raise kickstand, shift into neutral...start engine and let it warm up while I put my gloves on, turn on IPOD, adjust windshield, turn on HID...go have fun! Miss some safety/security features from the BMW LT....can't start engine if side stand is deployed (ever drive away with the side stand down...turn right out of the driveway and on the first left almost get launched off the bike...surprise!), can't start engine if you forgot to take it out of reverse backing into spot, must deploy clutch to start even in neutral....one press from the remote security key-fob locked all the trunks and compartments and armed the security alarm as you walked to the restaurant. How much do I miss those features & the hydraulic center stand? I test road the VV for all of 5 minutes and bought it...sold the BMW the next day. All that technology and performance...way fast...don't mean $hit if you can't ride it more than an hour because of the crap foot position! Edited by Vinner1 2010-07-06 8:48 AM | ||
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