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cjnoho
Posted 2009-08-03 12:52 AM (#40720 - in reply to #40527)
Subject: Re: TOTALLY USELESS VICTORY CUSTOMER SERVICE Line


Visionary

Posts: 1324
So Cal
Let's face it, if it werent for the quality of their product, victory would be out of business by now. Considering the quality, I cant understand why they dont step up to the plate with the issues they do have? Offering a 5 year warranty SOUNDS good but we all know how they will find reasons not to honor it. I have called, emailed and written victory with negative results. Bottom line? The dealers are going to have to get together and make a stand. Vic say talk to your dealer, my dealers have other PROFITABLE lines and cant be bothered. If it were a high profile brand I would understand (dont agree, but understand) . They dont have the well known reputation to be pulling this kind of crap. Im not saying they should kiss ass, Im saying they should have someone at the corporate level that SOUNDS like they care. A company that hasd been in business for 100+ yaers can get away with it. A company with 10 years cant. Victorys following is so small the aftermarket manufacturers dont see a proft in catering to victoty buyers. Their product line will attract more business. which will increase the overall dissatisfaction with the service end of the company. More buyers= more dissatisfied customers. Something polaris cant afford.
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rainmaker
Posted 2009-08-03 1:31 PM (#40790 - in reply to #40694)
Subject: RE: TOTALLY USELESS VICTORY CUSTOMER SERVICE Line


Cruiser

Posts: 72
Eden Prairie, MN
Indiana RoadRunner - 2009-08-02 9:24 PM

Well I learned one thing.

If I ever call Victory I won't post it here!!


Some people spend so much time trying to read between the lines, they didn't read the lines.


I think everyone is reading and empathetic to the issue. But I think many of us are waiting for an an answer to a question that hasn't been asked.
Do we all agree the customer Service line doesn't give answers to consumers? Yes, I think so.
Do we all agree that Victory should improve communications to consumers AND dealers? Yes, I think so.
Do we all agree that continuing this thread is productive and rewarding? No, I don't think we all agree.
So, while we wait for Victory to read this and improve the Customer Service phone line, how about we ask questions that can be answered? How about that accessory question for starters?
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Cometman
Posted 2009-08-03 2:14 PM (#40799 - in reply to #40527)
Subject: Re: TOTALLY USELESS VICTORY CUSTOMER SERVICE Line


Tourer

Posts: 520
Simi Valley, CA
And what about the VRA? You know, the Victory Riders Association..... Bought my Vic in March, have called twice about receiving the membership package.... nothing yet. Has anyone received this? If they could run it like the HOG organization I think we all would be much happier. These various Vic forums tell me more about the bikes than anywhere on the Victory web site. Maybe they should hire some of the people on here to help them out with Customer Service...... Nah that just wouldn't make sense....

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a99miata
Posted 2009-08-03 2:32 PM (#40802 - in reply to #40527)
Subject: Re: TOTALLY USELESS VICTORY CUSTOMER SERVICE Line


Tourer

Posts: 423
northwest florida
VRA has a membership package? I bought my Vision in Oct 08. I got a Tshirt from the dealer, 20% off accesories for 90 days and a pizza coupon. Never got anything from VRA. I do get promos from Polaris for snowmobiles. Living in Florida I am sure they will be handy to have.
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Cometman
Posted 2009-08-03 2:36 PM (#40803 - in reply to #40527)
Subject: Re: TOTALLY USELESS VICTORY CUSTOMER SERVICE Line


Tourer

Posts: 520
Simi Valley, CA
From the VRA website:

YOUR VRA: MORE MEMBER BENEFITS, MORE REWARDS

The Victory Riders Association (VRA) continues to grow and evolve, and the value of a VRA membership is increasing dramatically with the introduction of new benefits Victory riders have asked for. VRA membership benefits now include:

* One year of Victory Roadside Assistance coverage to keep you rolling when the going gets tough. (Details below)
* A one-year (four issues) subscription to Victory Rider, the official publication of the VRA.
* Discounts of up to 30% on car rentals and hotel accommodations.
* A personalized VRA membership card and special new VRA lapel pin.
* VIP access to VRA events at rallies such as Daytona Bike Week and Sturgis.
* Total access to the official VRA website at
www.victorymotorcycles.com.
* Invitations to regional rallies, members-only promotional offers, and more!
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TerryW527
Posted 2009-08-03 3:39 PM (#40806 - in reply to #40803)
Subject: Re: TOTALLY USELESS VICTORY CUSTOMER SERVICE Line


Cruiser

Posts: 81
Lynnwood, WA
Hmmmm.... That is VERY INTERESTING. We have purchased 3 Victory's (2 '04 Vegas's and 1 Vision) and have never received anything from the VRA. I take that back, we did receive 1 issue of the magazine, in early '05 or '06. Nothing since.

Terry
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tinabattles
Posted 2009-08-03 4:07 PM (#40809 - in reply to #40527)
Subject: Re: TOTALLY USELESS VICTORY CUSTOMER SERVICE Line


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 11
Las Vegas
I just want to recommend anyone that has a Vision question to give Bill Biler or Eric Minks a call at 702-440-6377. They are Victory Ambassadors and know everything about any Victory.
Thank you, Tina B
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Lotzafun
Posted 2009-08-03 4:17 PM (#40810 - in reply to #40809)
Subject: Re: TOTALLY USELESS VICTORY CUSTOMER SERVICE Line


Iron Butt

Posts: 935
Rockford, IL

tinabattles - 2009-08-03 3:07 PM I just want to recommend anyone that has a Vision question to give Bill Biler or Eric Minks a call at 702-440-6377. They are Victory Ambassadors and know everything about any Victory. Thank you, Tina B

Phone number comes back to the Arlen Ness dealership in Las Vegas?

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varyder
Posted 2009-08-03 4:55 PM (#40818 - in reply to #40810)
Subject: Re: TOTALLY USELESS VICTORY CUSTOMER SERVICE Line


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
Lotzafun - 2009-08-03 5:17 PM

tinabattles - 2009-08-03 3:07 PM I just want to recommend anyone that has a Vision question to give Bill Biler or Eric Minks a call at 702-440-6377. They are Victory Ambassadors and know everything about any Victory. Thank you, Tina B

Phone number comes back to the Arlen Ness dealership in Las Vegas?



tina stated in another post she works for arlen...
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radioteacher
Posted 2009-08-03 9:58 PM (#40839 - in reply to #40527)
Subject: Re: TOTALLY USELESS VICTORY CUSTOMER SERVICE Line


Visionary

Posts: 3006
San Antonio, TX
Tina,

Thank you for posting Eric and Bill's number. I am sure they would do everything they can to help.

In September of 2007 I was in San Jose, CA for some training and noticed that if I take off as soon as class is over, I could make it to Arlen's shop in Dublin before they closed. My wife and I arrived about 45 minutes before closing on a Thursday.

In that short time:
We met the manager
Discussed the reliability of a Freedom engine
Saw a warehouse with over twenty Visions in it (It was the Victory demonstration fleet)
Had my wife sit on a Vision. (And she approved of it by saying "Cool"
Then the manager opened up a shop door to reveal Arlen's Vision that he just rode to Sturgis the month before
Had my picture taken while sitting on Arlen's 2007-2008 Vision
Meet Cory Ness on the way to the elevator
and finally bought a few things before leaving the store.

The next day we repeated the 25 mile trip just to go back and buy a few more things from the apparel on the shelves.

As my wife said, "Those are nice people"

I will be in Las Vegas in the next 12 months and I look forward to meeting your staff.

Back in 2007 the local Victory dealer here in San Antonio was Ironhorse of San Antonio, they were rude and condescending when asked questions about the Victory's they sold. Rather then display any ignorance about the brand they once answered one of my questions with the remark, "What do you want to know that for?"

Its no wonder that Ironhorse of San Antonio is now out of business.

The Victory owners of San Antonio are now lucky to have a dealer that really understands customer service, Kent Powersports, Victory of San Antonio.

So, thanks for posting and keep up the good work!



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vicguy
Posted 2009-08-03 11:07 PM (#40847 - in reply to #40803)
Subject: Re: TOTALLY USELESS VICTORY CUSTOMER SERVICE Line


Cruiser

Posts: 74
shakopee , Mn
Bought my Vision in March, had Vra packet within 8 weeks.

You will not get anything unless your DEALER sends in the paper work.
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Indiana RoadRunner
Posted 2009-08-05 11:34 PM (#41002 - in reply to #40790)
Subject: RE: TOTALLY USELESS VICTORY CUSTOMER SERVICE Line


Tourer

Posts: 332
Dale, Indiana
rainmaker - 2009-08-03 12:31 PM

Indiana RoadRunner - 2009-08-02 9:24 PM

Well I learned one thing.

If I ever call Victory I won't post it here!!


Some people spend so much time trying to read between the lines, they didn't read the lines.


I think everyone is reading and empathetic to the issue. But I think many of us are waiting for an an answer to a question that hasn't been asked.
Do we all agree the customer Service line doesn't give answers to consumers? Yes, I think so.
Do we all agree that Victory should improve communications to consumers AND dealers? Yes, I think so.
Do we all agree that continuing this thread is productive and rewarding? No, I don't think we all agree.
So, while we wait for Victory to read this and improve the Customer Service phone line, how about we ask questions that can be answered? How about that accessory question for starters?

To clear things up since I think I was misunderstood.

It seems if you have a problem with your bike ‘you're a whiner is some people's minds'.

It also seems if you expect common courtesy and help from the maker of the best bikes in American ‘you best not post that on this forum either because the Holier Then Thou crowd will make you out as being the problem and not Victory‘.

I deal with this crap everyday.
At age 50 I still remember when the Customer Was King!
When I bought things (such as gas and diesel fuel) I was treated like someone appreciated by business. I was talked to by a human, who by the way knew how to make change and look me in the eye like I was a real person.

Nowadays I have to deal with some stupid computer and when I make human contact it's with some valley girl or some nitwit with black hair and black lipstick (guys). They can't make change if I pay cash and they can't understand simple English. Plus, most of the time they get my order wrong.

Since I buy and sell a lot of things I deal with customer service people all the time. Most haven't a freakin clue what the heck they are doing. I figure most are there just to wear you down until you just say 'f-it!'

I also am on the other side. I have to meet someone else's time frame when it comes to furniture and kitchen cabinets. Many people think they are the only guy who's goods are on my trailer even if he's only getting 2. Plus, most people order tomorrow what they wanted yesterday.

Back to customer service.

I am sick and tired of being treated like I am the enemy by the very folks who need me to buy things from them so they can have a job (I am talking about the boss!). I am sick and tired of bad service, rude people, and goofballs who can't speak English.
I am sick and tired of how impersonal business transactions have become and how I am just a number on some damn computer screen.

I am sick and tired of crappy food, smelly people, and people who groom and dress like freaks we use to be scared by on Tales from the Tomb.

I am sick of apologizing if I need warranty work done on my car, truck or bike has a problem. I just bought it, I didn't build the sum-of-b!

As for a Victory's customer service.
It's not my problem the dealer knows more about lawn tractors and weed eaters. You folks at Victory gave them the damn franchise NOW FIX IT by answering the damn phone.

Thank you!


Edited by Indiana RoadRunner 2009-08-05 11:39 PM
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radioteacher
Posted 2009-08-06 12:14 AM (#41005 - in reply to #40527)
Subject: Re: TOTALLY USELESS VICTORY CUSTOMER SERVICE Line


Visionary

Posts: 3006
San Antonio, TX
Timothy,

I get it, I really understand. I bought and paid for my Vision at probably the worst dealer in the country, Ironhorse of San Antonio. They were so bad that only seven months after I bought my Vision the snakes slithered out of business. Not a phone call, email or "going out of business" sale just locked the doors and poof they were gone! As you can tell by the post above they sucked.

In the mean time I visited Arlen's shop that took much better care of me "the customer" and a dealer in Austin that took better care of my Vision.

My new dealer Kent Powersports - Victory of San Antonio takes much better care of my Vision then even the shop in Austin. The people that work at VoSA all understand who make their paycheck good. It is people like us.

The VoSA staff has gone above and beyond the call of duty to make me a very satisfied customer.

Send me a PM or post the questions that you had about the parts here and I will ask my dealer to find out the answers. I feel that if anyone knows the answers at Victory they will find them and get you an answer. Also, I bet the Victory Ambassadors that work for Arlen can find out the answers as well.

I once ordered some gloves from Pure Polaris and they came in as two Left hand gloves. Plus, the gloves were different sizes!!! It took two phone calls to get the order straight and they sent the correct gloves. Can Victory do better? Yes they can!

As I have found out, there is a big difference in dealerships and many have a lot to improve on!
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varyder
Posted 2009-08-06 5:17 AM (#41024 - in reply to #40527)
Subject: Re: TOTALLY USELESS VICTORY CUSTOMER SERVICE Line


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
are we still talking about Victory's customer service, or the lack thereof? Maybe a few complaints to the BBB may get some results, don't know. But posting fodder here on the forums doesn't do anything good for the cause except vent. If it did they would have changed a long time ago.
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iluvink
Posted 2009-08-06 8:30 AM (#41029 - in reply to #41024)
Subject: Re: TOTALLY USELESS VICTORY CUSTOMER SERVICE Line


Tourer

Posts: 411
Dallas, Texas
varyder - 2009-08-06 5:17 AM

are we still talking about Victory's customer service, or the lack thereof? Maybe a few complaints to the BBB may get some results, don't know. But posting fodder here on the forums doesn't do anything good for the cause except vent. If it did they would have changed a long time ago.


Also, if things are bad enough, perhaps a media contact would like to make a story of this. Just a thought.

Edited by iluvink 2009-08-06 8:34 AM
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Indiana RoadRunner
Posted 2009-08-06 8:50 AM (#41030 - in reply to #40527)
Subject: RE: TOTALLY USELESS VICTORY CUSTOMER SERVICE Line


Tourer

Posts: 332
Dale, Indiana
Best thing about this website is…..

I can learn about updates, recalls and tricks to fix minor issues.
BECAUSE
1. Victory has only sent me one notice of a recall.
2. My dealer never knows of anything unless I tell them (Much to their annoyance).

My bike compared to many hasn't had much problems. She runs like a dream and is always on standby for when I crank the throttle.
Dealer issues are a pain though.
Every warranty repair requires 2 to 3 trips and they have top read the same repair manual I have to figure out many things.

Just like my radio.
Latest undated Version is 5.13a, I have 4.13 and I seemed to have annoyed my dealer by knowing that. However, my driver output for the intercom/CB seems to have lowered it's volume. When I plug into my rear (passenger) outlet the sound level is GREAT!

They said my ground wires on my intercom wiring harness is open and looks like it is shorting somewhere. Of course, even though I got it from Victory I have to foot the $200.00+ bill to replace it because accessories (even Victory's) are not under any warranty.
So I guess I may have to spend the money and find out that may not be the problem with the volume level.

Maybe the radio update may help? But, why did it go down!!!??
I use to set the CB and intercom at about 50% and now it's wide open and still to low. Pee's off my wife when I keep going HUH!

Don't get me wrong. I like my dealer guys, they are really nice. But, it seems since Victory isn't their biggest line (sports bikes are) it isn't their concern. Sports bikes guys will buy every piece a cloths and coats they can find, and will spend big $$$$ to add 2 horsepower to their little rockets.

That all being said.
You couldn't pry my Victory Vision from my hands! She is mine and she is cool and she is mine and she will stay!

BTW I saw 4 black Visions this week while traveling.
That was me on the COOL Cherry Vision dressed like a yuppie waving across the Interstate. Wife says I act like I saw my long lost brother when I see a Victory Vision rider.

Edited by Indiana RoadRunner 2009-08-06 8:53 AM
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Cometman
Posted 2009-08-06 1:47 PM (#41041 - in reply to #40527)
Subject: Re: TOTALLY USELESS VICTORY CUSTOMER SERVICE Line


Tourer

Posts: 520
Simi Valley, CA
I called Victory today and asked about my 'membership package'. They said that they will request it 'again' and 'talk to their manager about it'. We will see.... I will let ya'll know if/when it arrives.

Tim
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