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| I am thinking about adding Lloyds intake plate and VFC. Are they easy to install? I have S1L2 pipes and download. Do I keep the same download or have to go back to stock. Does the controler help with the power throughout the RPM range? For the $$ are the mods worth it? I know his stuff is good, just do not know much about the 09 bikes. Thanks |
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Visionary
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Well worth the $$$. More torque from bottom to top, and vastly improved drivability. The install is pretty straight forward, but getting the VFC plugged into the injectors is enough to piss off the Pope |
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20 miles west of Chicago. | "How to install VFClll and lloyd's intake plate on a Vision" (Easy method.)
1) Call Lloyd and set up an appointment at the AVR.
2) Have Lloyd install the VFClll and the intake plate.
3) Have Lloyd Dyno tune your new setup.
4) Ride home with a smile on your face. |
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| Mudge - 2009-05-20 3:40 PM
"How to install VFClll and lloyd's intake plate on a Vision" (Easy method.)
1) Call Lloyd and set up an appointment at the AVR.
2) Have Lloyd install the VFClll and the intake plate.
3) Have Lloyd Dyno tune your new setup.
4) Ride home with a smile on your face.
My thoughts exactly unless Kevin gets his but to Chicago! You can stay at my house and use the lift!! |
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LaPorte,Tx. | kevinx - 2009-05-20 3:27 PM
Well worth the $$$. More torque from bottom to top, and vastly improved drivability. The install is pretty straight forward, but getting the VFC plugged into the injectors is enough to piss off the Pope
I've got the plate on, but I'm scared as hell to piss off the Pope.  I put a VFC on my Kingpin and that was bad enough, but loved it, just weak kneed about this one. Thought Lloyd would be in Sturgis, but I guessed wrong. I don't think I'll make it to the AVR this year. |
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Vineland, NJ United States | agree with your steps 1 thru 4....any idea what that would cost? |
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Iron Butt
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| I'm headin to see Mr KevinX this weekend. Been a long wait...but i hear its worth it. I like wrenchin on my bike and doing as much as I can, But I am smart enough to know what not to mess with, take it to a pro. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Bubba - 2009-05-20 4:47 PM
Mudge - 2009-05-20 3:40 PM
"How to install VFClll and lloyd's intake plate on a Vision" (Easy method.)
1) Call Lloyd and set up an appointment at the AVR.
2) Have Lloyd install the VFClll and the intake plate.
3) Have Lloyd Dyno tune your new setup.
4) Ride home with a smile on your face.
My thoughts exactly unless Kevin gets his but to Chicago! You can stay at my house and use the lift!!
Come up with three other Visions, and you got a deal |
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| Bubba - 2009-05-20 10:09 AM
I am thinking about adding Lloyds intake plate and VFC. Are they easy to install? I have S1L2 pipes and download. Do I keep the same download or have to go back to stock. Does the controler help with the power throughout the RPM range? For the $$ are the mods worth it? I know his stuff is good, just do not know much about the 09 bikes. Thanks
You can retain the stage download and a good rule is to instal the unit with the motor cold.
The controller will help with power from idle to about 70% throttle, after that it goes in open loop anyway.
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20 miles west of Chicago. | My thoughts exactly unless Kevin gets his but to Chicago! You can stay at my house and use the lift!!
"Come up with three other Visions, and you got a deal."
I have the VFC and plate...but the cam would be nice. Any more Vision Pilots from the Chicago area?
Edited by Mudge 2009-05-21 9:02 AM
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Columbia,MO | I had my dealer install the cams this past week. Lloyd was a great help talking to the mechanic on the phone. Awsome support from Lloydz! I already had the intake plate and VFC III installed. Increased 14 hp but no increase in torque. My mechanic was amazed by the amount of hp increase from the cams. |
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Iron Butt
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| If I may be so bold, but I would suggest using a DynoJet Power Commander (they are now available for the Vision) instead of the VFCIII? I the install of the PC is usually very simple and with that unit you can goto any DynoJet Power Tuning Center and have a custom map done because on their DynoJet with their software it is a simple thing and the shops that do the work are usually independent shops. For those in the Illinois area I would suggest you contact new member Bluto (Jim) and talk to him about it. |
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Iron Butt
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Reno County, KS | I actually thought I couldnt tell very much difference after installation and some adjustment. Just tear assing through town wasn't enough. When I took off outta town (I drive by feel) I was doing 90mph before I realized I needed to back off. After I thought about this I realized that I used to intuiitively back off the throttle and shift when the bike stopped pulling. It keeps pulling hard after 70 mph and before I knew it I was still pulling hard at 90. I guess the point here is that the biggest difference it makes for me is the 60-100mph in gears 5 and 6. I dunno about aover 100. Never had the need to push her since I installed the VFCIII. Now mind you this is Before the twin air intake, which I just received the other day. I still need to install that and then adjust the VFCIII settings again. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | if you install the VFCIII with the upgraded map (s1l1) how much of a difference in settings is there from the ones on the instructions? i just want to know so that when i get one i dont have to call anyone. im all about less hassles... |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Travelin' Man - 2009-06-13 1:58 PM
If I may be so bold, but I would suggest using a DynoJet Power Commander (they are now available for the Vision) instead of the VFCIII? I the install of the PC is usually very simple and with that unit you can goto any DynoJet Power Tuning Center and have a custom map done because on their DynoJet with their software it is a simple thing and the shops that do the work are usually independent shops. For those in the Illinois area I would suggest you contact new member Bluto (Jim) and talk to him about it.
In a perfect world the PC3 map you downloaded from their site would be a good fit. In the real world those maps tend to have you in the ball park, but quite often they have you sitting in the nose bleed seats. PC3 requires lenghy dyno time to tune |
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Puddle Jumper
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| I installed Lloyds intake plate myself with no problem. The VFC controller, It seems harder to figure out. I cannot find the connections that match those from the controller. Can anyone give me any suggestions on what I am mising? I mounted the ground wire as per the instructions, but cannot find the rear injector that matches the female end of the harness (p/n 9120213). Any help would be appreciated, Thanks.... |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Look in the area between the valve covers, and the throttle body. |
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Iron Butt
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| kevinx - 2009-06-28 1:35 PM Travelin' Man - 2009-06-13 1:58 PM If I may be so bold, but I would suggest using a DynoJet Power Commander (they are now available for the Vision) instead of the VFCIII? I the install of the PC is usually very simple and with that unit you can goto any DynoJet Power Tuning Center and have a custom map done because on their DynoJet with their software it is a simple thing and the shops that do the work are usually independent shops. For those in the Illinois area I would suggest you contact new member Bluto (Jim) and talk to him about it. In a perfect world the PC3 map you downloaded from their site would be a good fit. In the real world those maps tend to have you in the ball park, but quite often they have you sitting in the nose bleed seats. PC3 requires lenghy dyno time to tune It depends on what you call "lengthy" as the guy I goto for DynoJet tuning can usually do a 2 cylinder (independent maps for each cylinder) map in about 2 to 3 hours tops. A custom map is the ONLY way to go when tuning a fuel injected engine (motorcycle or car). For those that claim to get an increase in fuel milage as well as major gains in performance, I don't believe it, more air in requires more fuel to maintain the proper air/fuel ratio, it's as simple as that. One note though, a tuner can tune for milage or tune for performance, and even a middle ground, but if tuned for milage do not expect anywhere near the horsepower and torque gains claimed by some. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Travelin' Man - 2009-07-14 4:47 PM
kevinx - 2009-06-28 1:35 PM Travelin' Man - 2009-06-13 1:58 PM If I may be so bold, but I would suggest using a DynoJet Power Commander (they are now available for the Vision) instead of the VFCIII? I the install of the PC is usually very simple and with that unit you can goto any DynoJet Power Tuning Center and have a custom map done because on their DynoJet with their software it is a simple thing and the shops that do the work are usually independent shops. For those in the Illinois area I would suggest you contact new member Bluto (Jim) and talk to him about it. In a perfect world the PC3 map you downloaded from their site would be a good fit. In the real world those maps tend to have you in the ball park, but quite often they have you sitting in the nose bleed seats. PC3 requires lenghy dyno time to tune It depends on what you call "lengthy" as the guy I goto for DynoJet tuning can usually do a 2 cylinder (independent maps for each cylinder) map in about 2 to 3 hours tops. A custom map is the ONLY way to go when tuning a fuel injected engine (motorcycle or car). For those that claim to get an increase in fuel milage as well as major gains in performance, I don't believe it, more air in requires more fuel to maintain the proper air/fuel ratio, it's as simple as that. One note though, a tuner can tune for milage or tune for performance, and even a middle ground, but if tuned for milage do not expect anywhere near the horsepower and torque gains claimed by some.
I wasnt any of the ones that made claims to more MPG after the performance mods, but if they DO get more miles per gallon i can see why.. Less throttle to get the same results as before the mod. you are sucking more air and more fuel but you are turning the throttle less to get the same Cruising results you had before hand.? And the engine is more efficent.? just wondering what does a CUstom map cost on average? i am looking at fuel controllers and i really want to know the bottoms line for each of them. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Travelin' Man - 2009-07-14 4:47 PM
kevinx - 2009-06-28 1:35 PM Travelin' Man - 2009-06-13 1:58 PM If I may be so bold, but I would suggest using a DynoJet Power Commander (they are now available for the Vision) instead of the VFCIII? I the install of the PC is usually very simple and with that unit you can goto any DynoJet Power Tuning Center and have a custom map done because on their DynoJet with their software it is a simple thing and the shops that do the work are usually independent shops. For those in the Illinois area I would suggest you contact new member Bluto (Jim) and talk to him about it. In a perfect world the PC3 map you downloaded from their site would be a good fit. In the real world those maps tend to have you in the ball park, but quite often they have you sitting in the nose bleed seats. PC3 requires lenghy dyno time to tune It depends on what you call "lengthy" as the guy I goto for DynoJet tuning can usually do a 2 cylinder (independent maps for each cylinder) map in about 2 to 3 hours tops. A custom map is the ONLY way to go when tuning a fuel injected engine (motorcycle or car). For those that claim to get an increase in fuel milage as well as major gains in performance, I don't believe it, more air in requires more fuel to maintain the proper air/fuel ratio, it's as simple as that. One note though, a tuner can tune for milage or tune for performance, and even a middle ground, but if tuned for milage do not expect anywhere near the horsepower and torque gains claimed by some.
2 to 3 hours @ $75-$100 an hour is a lengthy stay espcialy when you consider you just spent $350 on a PC3. I'll stick with the tried, and true load based VFC instead of an RPM based map that adds X amount of fuel at a given RPM regardless of weather an engine is accelerating, decelerating, cruising, up hill, down hill, etc.
As for claims of improved MPG. I have done 30+ cam, intake, and controller mods. EVERY SINGLE one reports an increase of between 2-4 MPG. With a LOAD BASED system the motor only gets extra fuel when it is needed, and the more powerfull\efficiant engine has to work less to maintain a given speed. |
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Reno County, KS | FIW, I am glad Dyno Jet started backing off the deal before I ordered the the PCV with autotuner module. Loydz is actually very easy to set up. I still toy with it from time to time to see if I can get a little more "oomph" here and there. I installled my vfcIII a few weeks before the plate intake. I have to say the intake plate is the best upgrade for the money Ive seen so far. Easily installed. The only down side is that you hear the intake sucking through the console. That's not necessarily a drawback though. I like to hear what my bike is doing. I tend to drive by feel, eventhough it gets me in trouble sometimes. |
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Iron Butt
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| The DynoJet tuning center that I use in Crystal Lake, Illinois chages $250 for a custom two cylinder map and sells the PCV for cost plus 10% which basically covers the shipping charges he has to pay. The reason I preferred the DynoJet to others is simply that the DynoJet dyno with its sensors and its computer tied into the controller on the bike makes for a complete system and for accurate tuning(granted at a given environmental condition). What Kevin says about a load based, closed loop system is probably true, I can't say different as the bike that I had a PCIII on was an open system (Honda VTX1800). My personal preference in a turing bike though would prohibit me installing the Loydz intake plate due to the increased intake noise based on what I've read here. If I could get a test ride on a Vision equipped with such a set up it may change my mind, but until then I'll keep it stock. |
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LaPorte,Tx. | I've been running an Lloydz intake plate for over 10000 miles now, with Stage 1 Level 1. I too had a concern about intake noise, here is my review on that.
Sitting still at a stop or in the drive way, I hear what I describe as a low swishing sound, it is kinda neat to hear.
Anything above that, I hear no change in intake noise from when I don't have the intake plate on.
In fact I took the intake plate off last week and reinstalled the stock plate, just to remind myself that I'm not hearing a difference and I don't. The plate will get put back on next week. After 10000 miles the filters still looked clean, I'll wash before reinstalling.
Also, I ride 100% with a 100 Scorpion helmet, so I'm not in a full face at all.
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Travelin' Man - 2009-07-15 9:33 AM
The reason I preferred the DynoJet to others is simply that the DynoJet dyno with its sensors and its computer tied into the controller on the bike makes for a complete system and for accurate tuning(granted at a given environmental condition).
Until the V came out the PC looked only at only the tach signal, and on some versions it looked at the TPS. For the most part it is dumber then a laod based system that is looking at the actual injector signal to determin what needs to be done. Remeber that Dobeck is the same guy that designed both systems, and I have heard ofhim saying that the reason they interface all of the ECM harness into the PC is so that it LOOKS impressive, and that is it
Edited by kevinx 2009-07-15 11:12 AM
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