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Cruiser
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| Does anybody have a price on the Amsoil or a link to a dealer I would like to switch but locally I was quoted over $20.00 per quart. With 3 Vics that would get a little pricey |
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Puddle Jumper
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cambridge springs pa | If you were quoted $20.00 a quart, your paying way too much! I'm a dealer and if you would like to buy it directly from Amsoil my dealer # is 476826 to have it delivered to your front door. Just go to the Amsoil website and use my dealer #. Ward |
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Iron Butt
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| The website has 10W-40 for $11.05/quart and 10W-50 for $11.40/quart. If you buy in quantity or get their preferred customer card, it is less.
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Iron Butt
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| Spock - 2008-12-29 11:45 PM ...
... base oil lower than the factory recommended oil which in this case is 20W. ... They have also said like their website points out the 10W-40 is primarily designed for water cooled motorcycle engines and the 20W-50 for air cooled engines. http://www.amsoil.com/a/synthetic-motorcycle-oil If you find a technical person at AMSOIL that disagrees will what others at AMSOIL have said I would like to talk with them. This has been a learning exercise already and who knows we just might become oil experts yet. LOL Hi Spock, I still think you have the base oil weight reversed. The base operating temp is the 2nd number, not the 1st (2nd number is the base oil weight). Here is the quote from the Amsoil URL webstie. I do not see the word "PRIMARILY" anywhere in the writeup. Please show me where you are reading "primarily designed for water cooled engines"? Also, it is only a prefice of what is printed on the following details page. Please read the whole description on the details page.
Amsoil 10W-40 - "Recommended for high-performance liquid or air-cooled 4-stroke engines and transmissions and both 4- and 2-stroke motorcycles." If you click on the more information links on that page you will find the specifics which are pretty clear that I posted in the last post. Please show me on the manufacturer's details pages where it states primarily for water cooled or specifies Victories (not Harleys) to use 50 weight oil.
Also, you asked for a factory rep, here you go. I just called Amsoil "Product Technical Services: (715) 399-TECH" and spoke to their representative Steve. He quoted their 10W-40 for Victories because of the base operating temperature (2nd number, not 1st) which is consistent with their website. The base operating temperature is not the freezing temperature of water or below in most parts of the country. =). Give Steve a call and see why their factory representative is giving a different answer than the ones you have been getting. One last note, as for sticking to what the vendor recommends in case of warranty failure, or legal issues, it is always better to have things in writing, espcially when it comes from the manufacturer. So far, the only thing in writing that I have read from the oil manufacturer is on the details page under "Applications". I would have this printed out for any legal hearings or disputes because it holds up much better than hearsay. Please show me something more specific in writing from the oil manufacturer than this.
"AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-40 Motorcycle Oil is recommended for liquid or air-cooled 4-stroke engines. It meets SAE 80W/90, API GL-1 gear oil requirements and is recommended for transmissions on both 4- and 2-stroke motorcycles. AMSOIL MCF is recommended for Honda®, Kawasaki®, Yamaha®, Suzuki®, BMW®, Husqvarna®, Victory® and other motorcycles where 10W-40 or 20W-40 engine oils or SAE 80W/90, GL-1 gear oils are used. Not recommended where an API GL-4 or GL-5 gear oil is required."
Sincerely, Tim
Edited by TimS 2008-12-30 10:24 AM
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Iron Butt
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Richmond, Virginia | Hey Blue
Im curious if all Ace Hardware stores carry or can order it or does your particular store happen to have an employee that is an Amsoil dealer... any idea?? |
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Cruiser
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rhode island | victory sells their oil buy the case or the 50 gal. drum 4 dollars a quart seems a bit more in line with current
pricing. 
Edited by sandman 2008-12-30 7:31 PM
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Tourer
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Carrollton, TX | Thanks Tim for the information. Based on the application information on their website that I had not seen before I agree with you. It may take me a few days to connect with the different AMSOIL people that told me to go with the 20W-50 oil but I am looking forward to challenging them with this information. I did talk to a different guy at the dealer today and he said they recommend the 20W-50 oil for air cooled engines in the Texas heat over the 10W-40. He also said it was probably due to the Texas heat why the many oil test their past tech guy had done showed the 20W-50 oil performed better than the 10W-40 oil. |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | when i used amsoil in my vulcan 2000. it took 6 qts. i used a 50%-50% mixutre of amsoil 10w40 and amsoil 20w50. Both motorcycle oils. just different weights. straight 20w50 my bike wasnt as smooth with shifting and on a cold start the upper engine noise was a little scary. When i mixed the two, it gave me a extremely thick w40 (as there is NO W45) basically not all w40 is the same. think of it like this. you have a chart. 1-10 all fit within the w40.. some w40 can only be a 2 on that chart and there for thins to a 30 weight in no time, amsoils 10w40 is on the thicker side to start with, so when i did a 50/50 mixture it put it on the (10 scale) of the w40. kind alike having a cushion of extra room before it goes to a w30. anyways i had my oil tested at 7500 miles and OMG everything was still in grade and all the additives and cleaners were still servicable! They said i could go even further. (they being blackstone labs) I was a little worried about using a w50 in my vision, not cause it would hurt it. But i was wondering why victory doesnt make a w50 weight. i was wondering if the self adjusting valves worked better with a thinner visocity? you would think it would be easier to just say. use a 20w50. ? more cushion before the oil thins. Just makes me wonder..
Edited by Arkainzeye 2008-12-31 9:38 AM
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Cruiser
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Hartland, , WI | Spock, TimS & VisionTex:
I will fire up my bike and ride this coming spring in March/April when ever we have a nice day. The gas has been stabilized and the trickle charger is doing it's thing but our "nice day" might be in the mid fourty's.
I see you all are from a much warmer climate than me...I am most concerned with thicker oil not protecting well on start up in our climate. I have read that most engine wear comes from start up after the oil has had time to settle which means closest metal to metal exposure.
Are your sources talking to you in your climate zone vs. what mine might say? |
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Iron Butt
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| Vinner1,
That is one concern I have about putting 50 weight oil into the bike when the manufacturer recommends 40 weight oil. I have heard of putting heavier oil into old beaters to slow up oil leaks, minimize oil burners and quiet noisy engines, but that is a band-aide for clunkers in disrepair. It was also a trick to sell old cars, but I don't think I need to resort to that on a brand new vehicle.
I used to use 2 weights of oil when I lived in Wisconsin, but I haven't been doing it out here in Southern California. Hell, you never use your wiper blades all year until the winter out here. By then, it is time to replacement because of dry-rot.
My sources are coming straight from Victory and Amsoil publications. I have not heard much discussions in Southern California about summer and winter oil weights. My bike is also garaged, so it gets a little extra help on the 1st start of the day. I know this helped a lot back in Wisconsin during the winter. Cars would start a lot easier if they were in a partially heated garage versus being out on the street all night. You don't see too many tank heaters or oil heaters out here. When I ride in the desert during the summer, I could use some extra cooling due to the 3 digit ambient temperatures. I don't know if heavier oil or better cooling would be a better solution. There is a company coming out with 2-into-1 Vision pipes that are ceramic coated and do not have the crossover that heats up the oil filter and oil sump like the stock pipes do. I think I may try these pipes as a solution to the excess summer heat versus thicker oil.
Happy New Year,
Tim
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | Oh Tim you just made me think about something else. When I used to be very seriously involved with the oil forums. They would talk about thicker oil taking longer to dissipate heat do to its viscosity. Similar but not the same to you wearing more layers of clothing. So as long as the amsoil 10w40 holds its viscosity to a w40 than that's all you would need. A lot of people are going to a 20w50 to "protect" their engines more. But this is based on the assumption that the oil is thinning to a thinner viscosity. |
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